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Baptists plan exodus from Boy Scouts in favor of Southern Baptists Royal Ambassadors

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Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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For Southern Baptist pastor Tim Reed, it was Scripture versus the Scouts.

“God’s word explicitly says homosexuality is a choice, a sin,” said Reed, pastor of First Baptist Church of Gravel Ridge in Jacksonville, Arkansas.

So when the Boy Scouts of America voted to lift its ban on openly gay youths on May 24, Reed said the church had no choice but to cut its charter with Troop 542.

“It’s not a hate thing here,” Reed told CNN affiliate Fox 16. “It’s a moral stance we must take as a Southern Baptist church.”

Southern Baptist leaders say Reed is not alone.

Baptist churches sponsor nearly 4,000 Scout units representing more than 100,000 youths, according to the Boy Scouts of America.

That number could drop precipitously.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, will soon urge its 45,000 congregations and 16 million members to cut ties with the Scouts, according to church leaders.

The denomination will vote on nonbinding but influential resolutions during a convention June 11-12 in Houston.

“There’s a 100% chance that there will be a resolution about disaffiliation at the convention,” said Richard Land, the longtime head of the Southern Baptists’ Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, “and a 100% chance that 99% of people will vote for it.” More at http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/31/southern-baptists-to-urge-chu
rches-and-members-to-cut-boy-scout-ties/?hpt=hp_t2



For me it's truly sad to see religion utilizing its power in the many different ways I see it happening around me. "Faith-based organizations charter more than 70% of Scout chapters, providing meeting space and leadership, according to the BSA."

What ever happened to Jesus' teachings?

Thankfully, there are still some truly Christian religions around: "The National Jewish Committee on Scouting, the United Church of Christ, the Episcopal Church, the Unitarian Universalist Association and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which sponsors more Scout units than any other faith, all endorsed the change."

And of course the Catholics...
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Each bishop will decide whether or not to allow churches in his diocese to charter Scout units...

Rev. Derek Lappe, pastor of the Our Lady Star of the Sea Catholic Church in Bremerton, Washington, has already made up his mind.

“I do not feel that it is possible for us to live out, and to teach, the authentic truth about human sexuality within the confines of the Boy Scout’s new policy,” said Lappe.

The priest told CNN affiliate FOX16 that his parish will part ways with the Scouts and develop its own programs.



The Catholic CHURCH seems to be more moderate:
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The National Catholic Committee on Scouting, which is run with oversight from a bishop, said Thursday that allowing gay youths in the Scouts does not conflict with church teaching. Each bishop will decide whether or not to allow churches in his diocese to charter Scout units, the committee added.

“We ask that Catholic Scouters and chartered organization heads not rush to judgment,” said Edward Martin, chairman of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting.



But the homophobic "christians" have their own plans:
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John Stemberger, founder of On My Honor, a group that opposed the Scouts’ change in policy, plans to convene conservatives in Louisville, Kentucky, in June to consider forming a new Scout-like group, which could be up and running by the end of 2013.

A number of conservative religious denominations already sponsor their own groups.

For instance, the Southern Baptists have the Royal Ambassadors, an explicitly Christian program founded in 1908 for boys in first through sixth grade. (A similar group called Challengers equips older boys in “mission education.”)

The name comes from the New Testament, in which the Apostle Paul tells Christians to be “ambassadors for Christ.”

The estimated 31,000 Royal Ambassadors pledge “ to become a well-informed, responsible follower of Christ; to have a Christlike concern for all people; to learn how to carry the message of Christ around the world; to work with others in sharing Christ; and to keep myself clean and healthy in mind and body."

While not as outdoorsy as the Boy Scouts, Ambassadors do camp and play sports, said Land, who was a member of the group during the 1950s. But instead of merit badges for archery and bird study, young Ambassadors earn patches for memorizing Bible verses and mission work.

Southern Baptists said they are preparing for a surge of interest in the Royal Ambassadors at their upcoming convention in Houston.

“We really have an opportunity here to strengthen our RA programs,” the Rev. Ernest Easley, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committee, said in a sermon last Sunday, “and to get the boys in a program where they’re going to be protected, where there’s a high moral standard and where they will have an opportunity to learn about camping, missions, evangelism in the local church.”



Scary, thinking of all those little boys who might have been Boy Scouts, you know, all that stuff about being "Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent" becoming instead being "a well-informed, responsible follower of Christ; to have a Christlike concern for all people; to learn how to carry the message of Christ around the world; to work with others in sharing Christ; and to keep myself clean and healthy in mind and body".

Seems to me like a move possibly motivated as much by a desire to increase membership in their own little religious brainwashing "corps" than by what "Christ taught", but then I'm prejudiced against blatant religiosity...

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Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:14 PM

KWICKO

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Let's hope they don't wear uniforms made of different cloths, or touch the skin of a pig, because those things are abominations according to their holy babble as well.



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Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Good, it would clean out the Scouts of the loonies.

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Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:43 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Magons, don't you see that them doing this, and putting their poor kids in these groups, will subject the boys to religious indoctrination, rather than the kind of concepts the Boy Scouts was founded on? From what I saw in the comparison with Girl Scouts, the Boy Scouts have problems enough with their emphasis and existing prejudices, you want the kids indoctrinated even WORSE?? The CHILDREN don't have the choice, it's the parents who choose what group they'll be in... Which means it can be just another way to instill even MORE religiosity in the poor kids, in my opinion...


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Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:49 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


My son's a boy scout. Not sure what indoctrination he gets exposed to. There is a bit of flag waving and a prayer at the end of the session, which you don't have to say if you don't want to. Other than that, it's been a very postive experience.

I'd rather they started their own group than impose their wacky beliefs on a generalist one. The kids are screwed anyway with parents like that, you can only hope that as they grow they see 'the light' if you'l forgive the pun.

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Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm afraid I disagree. Peer pressure, pressure from the Church, and "fitting in" is going to move a LOT of those boys from the Scouts to this religious group. I don't see that as a good thing.

I guess that was part of my point; while there are problems with the Scouts, from all I've seen and read the past few years, for the MOST PART it's a good experience for them and not overly indoctrinated. What I read about this other group doesn't look healthy to me at all, so I don't think it's a positive thing to see people shift from one to the other.

Do you understand what I'm saying? I may not be being as clear as I should...?


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Sunday, June 2, 2013 1:00 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Oh I think the whole thing is a disgrace that they should care enough to take such a stance. Isn't it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of sexuality anyway?

But I'd still rather they took their discriminating views elsewhere rather than derail an organisation. And I do think that when parents hold such extreme views on homosexuality, the kids will too, until they hit an age when they question such things. Hooray for adolescence. It has a purpose after all.

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OPENLY gay youths have always been welcome to join Scouts Australia, the organisation says, after its American counterpart overturned a decades-old ban.

At its annual meeting in Texas on Thursday, the 103-year-old Boy Scouts of America voted to end a ban barring openly homosexual members, but maintained a prohibition on gay adult leaders.

Scouts Australia says its door has always been open to gay men and boys.

"We've always had a non-discrimination policy across the board," a spokeswoman told AAP.

"We've never had any discrimination in regard to sexuality and that sort of thing.

"And when we hire people, we gauge people on the quality of their leadership skills rather than their sexual preferences. That's their personal business."

She declined to comment on the merits of the US decision, saying other scout organisations were independent institutions.



I think our laws would have prevented the ban anyway.

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Sunday, June 2, 2013 1:10 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Not the first way in which Australia puts us to shame, I'm quite willing to admit.
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Isn't it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of sexuality anyway?


The Supremes ruled that Boy Scouts of America is exempt from state laws that bar anti-gay discrimination
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In the case at issue, Boy Scouts of America v. James Dale, the U.S. Supreme Court considered whether the Scouting organization has a First Amendment right to defy a New Jersey state law barring discrimination based on sexual orientation. Last year, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled in favor of Dale, a former Assistant Scout Master who earned high marks for his work but was terminated when the Scouts' organization learned that he is gay.

In today's majority opinion, written by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, the Court said the Boy Scouts' right to express their views against lesbians and gay men would be hampered if the organization was forced to admit openly gay people as leaders. The Court said that lesbians and gay people, if they are honest about their sexual orientation, make a statement in their very existence, and groups like the Boy Scouts therefore have a right to exclude them. http://www.aclu.org/content/us-supreme-court-ruling-boy-scouts-can-dis
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Our current Supreme Court is another embarrassment, in my opinion, compared to many other countries' judicial bodies.


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Sunday, June 2, 2013 1:12 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Oh we have exemptions as well for religious organisations.

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Sunday, June 2, 2013 1:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


But I don't think the "Boy Scouts" is officially a religious organization, and therein lies the difference, in my opinion. This other organization looks like it definitely IS under the auspices of, specifically, the BAPTIST church; and there's another problem, for me...it separates Baptist "boys" from others, as well as everything else...


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