Bush to Blame for 9/11 by Ghoulman

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Bush to Blame for 9/11

POSTED BY: GHOULMAN
UPDATED: Monday, September 27, 2004 08:36
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Friday, September 24, 2004 5:53 AM

How long will Americans sit by while thier government murders innocent people day in and day out? There are no terrorists in Iraq... there certainly aren't any in Falluja. I checked.

IMPEACH GWB!

Published on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 by the University of South Florida Oracle
Former CIA Agent Says Bush to Blame for 9/11
by Chris Gardner
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-01.htm

Former CIA agent Ray McGovern went over what he considers the failures of the intelligence community and current administration over the past few years. He has 27 years of experience as a CIA analyst to draw upon and has dealt with every administration from Kennedy to Bush Sr.

"It's difficult for people to learn the truth about things like Iraq," said McGovern, a member of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), which is comprised of more than 40 former employees of agencies such as the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, Department of State's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Army Intelligence, the FBI and the National Security Agency.

Ray McGovern, who spent 27 years as a CIA analyst, tells an audience of about 50 at the USF Library on Tuesday that preventable intelligence failures and questionable priorities led to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. (Oracle Photo/Victor Griley)
"We have hundreds of years worth of experience in government service and intelligence to draw on so we feel a civic responsibility to do our best to spread as much truth as we can this fall," McGovern said.

He began his lecture by describing the CIA. He explained that the agency is supposed to be the one place in government with no political agenda, and could be very disastrous if it obtains one.

McGovern told a story about CIA officials who gave false information about enemy troop numbers in Vietnam to President Johnson. The lie led to a surprise of U.S. forces by the Tet Offensive in 1968. In this war of attrition, the agency wanted to make it look like the United States was doing better than it really was, McGovern said.

"Picture the Vietnam Memorial in Washington; it's a big 'V' shape. Now picture it with just one side of the 'V'. It might have been that way if some people had told the truth," McGovern said.

He also criticized the 9/11 Commission's final report, saying the committee was comprised of political extremists who couldn't reach a consensus.

"It wasn't a bipartisan commission; it was more like a bipolar commission," McGovern said. "To say that no one could prevent 9/11 was a bold-faced lie. It basically let the president and everyone responsible off the hook."

He went on to talk about the faulty intelligence attorney general John Ashcroft used when he announced that terrorist attacks may occur before or around election time, saying that elections might have to be postponed if the United States is attacked.

"There might be a real or staged terrorist attack in order to postpone the elections," McGovern said. "This might seem outlandish; I hope it is."

He mentioned how the Bush administration wanted to involve the country with the war in Iraq for certain reasons other than fear of weapons of mass destruction, which was just a more media-friendly explanation for the war.

"I have initials for why I think we went to war in Iraq," McGovern said. "O.I.L. O-I-L, O is for oil, I is for Israel and L is for logistics, as in when we have Iraq we have a foothold and a number of bases strategically placed in the Middle East so we can be in control over there and also to protect Israel."

Next he brought up civil liberties in the United States and how they have declined in the past few years.

"I used to say when I was a kid growing up when someone told me not to do something, 'It's a free country,'" McGovern said. "I ask you to think about it now."

In the audience was Nahla al-Arian, wife of imprisoned former professor Sami al-Arian. She explained to McGovern how she and her husband came to America to be free and described their current situation. Then she asked him why the government would target Palestinian activists.

His initial response was just, "I'm sorry," then he paused to collect his thoughts and said that things like that come all the way from the top down.

McGovern had a speaking engagement at the University of Florida later in the afternoon, and will also be lecturing at UCF soon on his and the VIPS's quest to spread the truth.

"No one has a corner on the truth. We don't have a corner on the truth, but it is certain that Fox News does not," McGovern said. "That most people get their 'news' from Fox News is extremely troubling."

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Friday, September 24, 2004 8:08 AM

JIMNIGHTSHADE

Iraq has been rid of the tyrant saddam hussein. The Iraqis have their country back. And the feedback from friends/family I get from in Iraq serving say the American LIBERATORS are more than welcome in their country. Presedent Bush has done what is right, not what is "politically right" in the eyes of the media. Don't believe what you hear on TV, listen to the people who are coming back from Iraq. I trust them more than the media. And to blame bush for 9/11 just makes me laugh. Thanks, I love laughing...

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Friday, September 24, 2004 8:20 AM

GHOULMAN

^^^ Yes, I understand the Bush families old friends the Bathists are very happy to have the USA back on thier side. It's like the 80s all over again!

Of course, the rest of Iraqis are overjoyed to be declared terrorists and slaughtered north and south... very much far away from Baghdad and all those "happy Iraqis".

I wonder when the first weapons Expo will be? I'm in need of more of those yankee sarin bombs.

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Friday, September 24, 2004 1:37 PM

QUICKSAND

Well, if we're going to do the right thing, then we really should get everyone.

Saudi Arabia? Colombia? North Korea? CHINA? I'm sure Dubya will get right on that.

Oh, and when you find Osama, give me a call. Hint: He's not in Iraq.

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Friday, September 24, 2004 4:32 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

JimNightshade
This is a long post, I know. But it is VERY hard to get information out of Iraq, as reporters are nearly all holed-up in areas they hope are secure. A Canadian reporter was held for over a week in northern Iraq. I think his observations also address the question of how Iraqis feel about the US occupation:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/22/1422225

We headed out on Tuesday, the 7th. We set out straight for Tal Afar. We arrived around dusk. When I saw there was a main, a major Iraqi police checkpoint, the American-paid Iraqi police force in their blue uniforms were still in control of a checkpoint on the edge of town, I felt it must mean it's relatively safe, that the town must still be in American hands, and I approached those police asking for directions. ...we had to get into the car next to them which contained four masked gunmen. We got inside the car willingly, only to find out, I mean, a few minutes later, that we were being kept as suspected spies, and our equipment was taken away from us.
We were taken first to a house where our equipment was taken away from us, and then during the course of the evening, we were taken from there to a second house for interrogation, which lasted most of the night. I believe that the men that had taken us originally, he was known as “the Emir.” He was the leader of the resistance. We had a chance to see just how extensive the resistance holding was in the city Tal Afar. Tal Afar is some 350,000 to 400,000 people. It's a major urban center in northwestern Iraq, including the villages around there. And the entire center was in the hands of the guerrillas, Mujahedeen, whatever you want to call them. There was, I mean, thousands, not hundreds, of them (the reistance) all over the streets and in these various fortified strong points.
These guys were a chapter, a Turkmen chapter of Ansar-al-Islam.
When we were using the flashlights I could see that that was stocked from floor to ceiling with RPGs and other munitions. This guy came in, like almost like borrowing sugar from your neighbors. He needed a few more rockets, and they outfitted him and he went off. We were sitting on top of one of the ammo caches inside Tal Afar, but there was a number of them throughout. They had been planning this for months. For me to see this and allowed see that, and the collusion with the police I think was the key. Everywhere we went, including the first time when they put me in the car, the American-paid Iraqi police were the ones that were instrumental in working hand in glove with the resistance, allowing us into Mosul. I mean, these guys left Tal Afar, which was supposed to be a sealed city, got out to the north in the desert and then entered Mosul with impunity, even though we were still tied up in the back seat, I mean, clearly visible. The local police were offering cigarettes and banging encouragement on the roofs of the cars as we went through. So, I mean, it was clear to see that this network has infiltrated all the way through, and a very dangerous situation, I mean, for the Americans now, especially in Mosul where they have far too few troops. They scaled back on the last rotation from some 22,000 troops of the 82nd airborne just to about 6,000 troops of the striker brigade trying to hold the line. That means they have been reduced in their presence, and they’re relying much more heavily upon these locally-paid police who are in full collusion, as I said, with the resistance.

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Monday, September 27, 2004 8:36 AM

GHOULMAN

Woo! Thanks for that RUE! You're the very best.

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