Devil's Advocate Re: Zimmerman not-guilty decision by chrisisall

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chrissy - You honestly think that being charged for 2nd degree murder, going to trial , being found not guilty, and THEN having the race baiters all but call for the vigilante murder of you is getting a free pass ?
More of a free pass then being killed for standing your ground against a threatening stalker, you fucking loon.
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No, THIS must be what going crazy feels like !
Again, get some help. Your disconnect from humanity is the source of all your problems.

Trayvon didn't 'stand his ground'. He had premeditation ( crazy ass cracka ) , and confronted Zimmerman, when he could have easily just walked home. Trayvon was the stalker.

Your disconnect from reality has unhinged you. You've lost your clarity. Enlightenment is eluding you.

Take deep breaths.

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:58 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Trayvon didn't 'stand his ground'. He had premeditation ( crazy ass cracka ) , and confronted Zimmerman, when he could have easily just walked home.

And ZIM?? Why couldn't HE have just gone home & watched TV?
You are such a pile of self deluded, self-important lapdog horseshit.
Oh, I'm sorry, Martin was meandering to lure a nut like Zim into his evil trap to punish the White man, huh?
Stupid dork. Why don't you have a paid professional waterboard you so you can have some fun. It's NOT torture, you know, unless non-U.S. peeps do it... and even THEN, not if it's COMMISSIONED by our 'side'.
Haken does you a BIG favour by not terminating you account here. He must feel sorry for you- then you'd only be able to talk to your pals on the KKK sites, and they all hate Firefly, right? Blacks with guns...

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:12 PM

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GZ was the neighborhood watchman. There'd been multiple break-ins, so just ignoring a suspicious looking young male he didn't recognize would have made NO sense, what so ever.

I'm right, and it clearly pisses you off, for some reason. It's clear to me that you're brain washed by the massive media misinformation campaign that's taking place.

And now you're babbling nonsense. Waterboarding ? KKK sites ? Seriously dude... your mind hasn't slipped, its fallen into the abyss.

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:24 PM

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I'm right, and it clearly pisses you off, for some reason.

It pisses me off because you are the Rush Limberger of FFF, and a sole reason why I have resisted coming here as frequently as I might. Like a city you used to live in that's fallen into decay, and you can't bear to look at it.

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:38 PM

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Then don't go away mad, Chrissy. Just go away.

But seriously, what's the cause of your delusion , where you feel the need to lie about me ?

How's that suppose to be constructive ?

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 6:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who ..."

You're missing a really important word, which I reverse highlighted in white:

UNLESS.

If you learn to read legalese you'll find that little words are important. Worlds of difference exist between 'may', 'shall' and 'must'. It's vital to pay attention to those words, including 'UNLESS'. The law reads: you aren't entitled to this defense if you are committing a felony UNLESS ...

The INTENT is clear: if you attempt to rob, or rape, or kill or otherwise seriously harm someone AND ***YOU*** STOP FIGHTING OR AGGRESSING ***THEY*** aren't entitled to vigilante justice: THEY aren't entitled to track YOU down after you stop being a threat and blow you away.

If you are an intended victim you are allowed deadly force in the face of immediate fear. If you are a perpetrator who has stopped perpetrating, you are allowed deadly force in the face of immediate fear. B/c the law is only meant to address immediate fear for life and health.

That means, as SignyM pointed out, assuming there are no witnesses, the person who's alive at the end is the one who gets to tell their story of THEIR immediate fear and why they used deadly force. The immediate fear the other person had becomes irrelevant.

Which is why this law is flawed, and why the jury needed to consider jury nullification. It defies any sense of justice that an armed person tracks down another person at night, shoots them dead, and claims self defense. As I mentioned elsewhere. But jury nullification didn't happen b/c the jury was too white, too female and too compliant towards 'the man'. And Martin was too black, too male, and too much like everything they considered a threat. Also as I mentioned elsewhere.

ETA: And either Zimmerman was very lucky, or he was, as testified, a VERY good student of the syg law, and exploited every crack in the law to his advantage. Given his father is a judge, I think the latter. Which makes him a cold-blooded killer.

So, how do you feel about letting a person like that go free?

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I just thought I'd post this for little rappy:

ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!

To little rappy from Chris,IsAll: "you are merely a fucking asshole. Quote THAT, you sad little fascist biological reality"

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:45 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And this is to Chris,IsAll

""AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall"

But he won't quote you otherwise. You want to know why? B/c he's a coward.

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:55 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And this is to Chris,IsAll

""AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall"

But he won't quote you otherwise. You want to know why? B/c he's a coward.

I don't quote lies, like you do. And not a coward. Unlike you .

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Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So M52

I'll try to keep this bumped up top as long as I can.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:03 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who ..."

You're missing a really important word, which I reverse highlighted in white:

UNLESS.

If you learn to read legalese you'll find that little words are important. Worlds of difference exist between 'may', 'shall' and 'must'. It's vital to pay attention to those words, including 'UNLESS'. The law reads: you aren't entitled to this defense if you are committing a felony UNLESS ...

The INTENT is clear: if you attempt to rob, or rape, or kill or otherwise seriously harm someone AND ***YOU*** STOP FIGHTING OR AGGRESSING ***THEY*** aren't entitled to vigilante justice: THEY aren't entitled to track YOU down after you stop being a threat and blow you away.

If you are an intended victim you are allowed deadly force in the face of immediate fear. If you are a perpetrator who has stopped perpetrating, you are allowed deadly force in the face of immediate fear. B/c the law is only meant to address immediate fear for life and health.

That means, as SignyM pointed out, assuming there are no witnesses, the person who's alive at the end is the one who gets to tell their story of THEIR immediate fear and why they used deadly force. The immediate fear the other person had becomes irrelevant.

Which is why this law is flawed, and why the jury needed to consider jury nullification. It defies any sense of justice that an armed person tracks down another person at night, shoots them dead, and claims self defense. As I mentioned elsewhere. But jury nullification didn't happen b/c the jury was too white, too female and too compliant towards 'the man'. And Martin was too black, too male, and too much like everything they considered a threat. Also as I mentioned elsewhere.

ETA: And either Zimmerman was very lucky, or he was, as testified, a VERY good student of the syg law, and exploited every crack in the law to his advantage. Given his father is a judge, I think the latter. Which makes him a cold-blooded killer.

So, how do you feel about letting a person like that go free?

I know how to read Florida statute, do it every day. Again the "unless" is in paragraph 2 which is regarding provoking an attack. The "unless" does not cover a person committing a felony.

You are right that law allows individuals who are committing felonies and stop to be attacked. That is a flaw, but the intent was to ensure the statute does not cover people breaking the law.

Yes, the law is too broad. The bar for self-defense claims in Florida is to low. There have been many worse cases in the state than this one. Zimmerman had more evidence to support his claim than many others. Remember there was an eye witness that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman punching him. With that fact Zimmerman is not likely to have been convicted of murder in any state.

As for Zimmerman I am okay with letting him go in light of the alternative. I don't think he is a monster. I don't think he intended to kill anyone. If you think he did I would ask what evidence you have of this? The answer is very little.

Now sure the jury could have nullified the law and found him guilty. It would have been a short lived victory in this case as the lack of evidence would lead to that conviction overturned on appeal.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 6:19 AM

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Contrast this admin's response to the law & our system to that of Founder John Adams, who defended the rights of British Redcoats, charged with murder, and who the mob wanted give 'hood justice. Holder & Obama are midgets compared to TRUE giants of this country.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:47 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Contrast this admin's response to the law & our system to that of Founder John Adams, who defended the rights of British Redcoats, charged with murder, and who the mob wanted give 'hood justice. Holder & Obama are midgets compared to TRUE giants of this country.

So John Adam wanted men to stand trial and not be killed in the streets and you think he would not agree with the Obama adminstration who think Martin should not have been killed in the street?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:56 AM

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Huh? Your reply is nonsensical to what I posted.

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So John Adam wanted men to stand trial and not be killed in the streets and you think he would not agree with the Obama adminstration who think Martin should not have been killed in the street?

Where are the mobs of angry folks screaming in the street that Trayvon got what he deserved, and are calling for more blood ? Your comment is quite bizarre.

The obvious comparison is between Zimmerman and the Redcoats. Both were accused of wrongfully killing citizens for no legitimate reason, in cold blood. Both are wildly unpopular w/ a very vocal segment of society. And BOTH, despite the mob mentality wanting 'justice', were protected by the LAW.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:11 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

M52

Felonies are covered - this is the full text of that section where it's indicated:

That little word OR is what includes felonies. Just like that little word UNLESS spells out the circumstances where the syg defense is available to people committing felonies OR people who provoked the use of force.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:43 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hey Chris,IsAll

I suggest you don't respond to little rappy. This is a game with him and it's the only reason he comes here. His goal is to engage people in futility: either by non-argument or by childish taunts. And he will do ANYTHING to keep it going - even pretend to be offended, or stupid, or whatever it takes.

As long as you're engaged with him on his terms he thinks he's 'winning'. And he is pretty good at figuring out what will 'hook' people: if you're data and logic driven he will spout mantras and nonsense, if your ego is on the line he will belittle you, if you've trusted him he will betray that and keep throwing it in your face ... And 'winning' by making you respond is all that counts with him.

He is the classic sociopath.

Now if you really want to rook him, ignore him. Or post about him. Or pointedly post around him.

Besides, we all know what a steaming smelly pile of dogshit he is. No one takes what he posts as anything but a further demonstration of his essential pathokogy.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:48 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"I wanna pet the kitty at the Zoo- WHOAH, it SCRATCHED ME, I gotta shoot it!!!

I have zero tolerance for stupid at this point. Perp, victim, jury....we are being inundated with stupid.
Zimmerman was STUPID.
Martin was STUPID.
The jury was STUPID.

But only poor Trey paid for it. Everyone else gets a free pass."

Its Tray, you sad deluded idiot.

Also, heres some advice.

Don't want none, don't start none.

Little thug started some, and got dealt with. End of story. Lo siento, but..

"Be a thug, catch a slug".

P.S. Its only spoiled white liberals, living off the govnment dime, and blacks with no jobs... "rioting". Funny how this shit is only happening in gun-free states as well.

Riot in my territory.... lol

(whistling Dixie)

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:35 AM

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"I think the jury made the right decision based in the evidence presented because the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act by Zimmerman and that he was not defending himself and so forth," he said. "It's not a moral question, it's a legal question and the American law requires that the jury listens to the evidence presented." -

1kiki - Is , in your opinion, Jimmy Carter a " classic sociopath " too?

I'll hang up & listen.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:42 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
M52

Felonies are covered - this is the full text of that section where it's indicated:

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; OR

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, UNLESS

That little word OR is what includes felonies. Just like that little word UNLESS spells out the circumstances where the syg defense is available to people committing felonies OR people who provoked the use of force.

The "or" only signifies that 1 and 2 are both situation that are not covered. The "unless" only applies to paragraph 2. It applied to both they would not be separate paragraphs. The section would read.

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony or, Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, UNLESS

That is how it would be written if (a) and (b) applied to both forcible felonies and provocation. There is a reason those two are separated into two separate paragraphs. This is basic outline stuff.

Subparagraphs (a) and (b) only apply to paragraph 2. Or to put it logiclly, Not X if 1 or (2 unless A or B)

This is backed up by chapter 776.013(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute
&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:45 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Poor little woofie

Yes, Martin started something, by walking home in the dark while being black.

What a clown you are. I bet you identify wth Zimmerman. All armed and ready to be the hero by getting rid of blacks.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:07 AM

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Kiki - blacks are offing each other at a far greater rate than Zimmerman. Between the likes of Gosnell the Butcher & the Chicago shooting gallery... But let's ignore all that as you ignore me. Reality is just too much for ya.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:20 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Oh yeah - see Chris,IsAll -

like that, and like this.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:01 AM

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LOL

Coward can't answer

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:45 PM

OONJERAH

DOJ to Sanford, Fla. police: Hold onto Zimmerman evidence
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57594495/doj-to-sanford-fla-police
-hold-onto-zimmerman-evidence/

"Police in central Florida say the U.S. Department of Justice
has placed a hold on all evidence related to the fatal shooting
of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin by former neighborhood watch
volunteer George Zimmerman.

"Sanford Police Capt. James McAuliffe confirmed the hold Thursday.
That includes the gun Zimmerman used to shoot Martin, which Zim-
merman would otherwise be legally entitled to reclaim ..."

======================
Hmmmmm.

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Friday, July 19, 2013 1:12 AM

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Unbelievable. DOJ is merely pandering to the certain element here. This, after the tip line nonsense, trying to troll for any info ( after the FBI's report showing no such evidence ) to bring up contrived civil right's charges.

We're witness to the the most corrupt, destructive , and radical admin - ever.

I wonder if GZ can sue. This act puts his life in jeopardy, as he's being deprived of his basic human rights of self defense.

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Friday, July 19, 2013 10:28 AM

OONJERAH

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I wonder if GZ can sue. This act puts his life in jeopardy, as he's being deprived of his basic human rights of self defense.

You think George only owns One Gun?!
I doubt it.

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A man's gotta have his arsenal.

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Friday, July 19, 2013 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I wonder if GZ can sue. This act puts his life in jeopardy, as he's being deprived of his basic human rights of self defense.

You think George only owns One Gun?!
I doubt it.

Based on what ? That he's a Democrat, and voted for Obama ? Hell, I'm surprised he had 1 gun at all, and that it was legally owned.

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Friday, July 19, 2013 11:35 AM

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Sir Charles weighs in...

The verdict was right.

I guess he, as well as Jimmah Carter, and I are " classic sociopaths ", huh? All of us, but not 1kiki.

Got it.

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Friday, July 19, 2013 3:48 PM

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This act puts his life in jeopardy, as he's being deprived of his basic human rights of self defense.

My life has been in jeopardy my whole life then...

Hey Rappy, why don't you jump off a bridge and then we can all blame the bridge, dismantle it for its bad judgement...

And you will miss the point here too, because you're a stupid little fascist biological reality, no more no less.

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Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM

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Yes, I am real.

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Friday, July 19, 2013 6:04 PM

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Yes, I am real.

And I'm a stupid little moderate biological reality.
I guess we're related. ;)

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Actually- yes, rappy, you ARE a classic sociopath. You have demonstrated it time and time again with your heartless, murderous view of people "not like you", and with your endless paeans to greed. So either that, or you're a just craven little shit who is so afraid of everything that he's willing to kill anyone who tickles his adrenals. Either way, you make me afraid for my life.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:35 AM

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Sig YOU make you afraid. By your own delusions.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I'm only following your own creed, that "stand your ground" creed which says that the minute you feel afraid it's OK to kill the person who made you afraid. You're always afraid, rappy. Learn to deal with your fears, and stop promoting homicide as the solution. It is precisely YOUR behavior that makes people afraid and want to take you on.

A little self control goes a long way. You're lucky you don't meet yourself.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:00 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm only following your own creed, that "stand your ground" creed which says that the minute you feel afraid it's OK to kill the person who made you afraid. You're always afraid, rappy. Learn to deal with your fears, and stop promoting homicide as the solution. It is precisely YOUR behavior that makes people afraid and want to take you on.

A little self control goes a long way. You're lucky you don't meet yourself.

Thats not what SYG says. But I see the root of your confusion.

And the only ones advocating homicide as a solution to this case are those on the 'justice for trayvon' side.

Justice was served. There was an arrest, a trial, and justice was served.

Time to move on.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:23 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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But I see the root of your confusion.

What is the root of my confusion? In fact, maybe you better explain to me what you think I'm confused about. I don't feel confused at all.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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But I see the root of your confusion.
What is the root of my confusion? I don't feel confused at all.

Your convoluted, fabricated opinion of me which has no substantive, actual basis. If I had said anything or were anywhere near the sort of person you claim I am, it may make sense that you'd feel the way you do.

But that ain't me. And your hate comes from with in.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:46 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Your convoluted, fabricated opinion of me which has no substantive, actual basis.

If your posts here are NOT substantive, actual basis, than what pray-tell is?

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Your convoluted, fabricated opinion of me which has no substantive, actual basis.
If your posts here are NOT substantive, actual basis, than what pray-tell is?

My posts, as they are actually written, not as viewed by hate filled, small minded, petty little useful idiots, who are nothing but tribalists for their " side ", and care not what anyone else says.

Read WHY my view may differ from yours, and don't just have a knee-jerk reaction.

Try that. If ya can.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:57 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Hahahahahahha. That was too funny ^

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:02 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Hahahahahahha. That was too funny ^

Knee-jerk reaction...as I said.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:38 PM

Consider this:

Would there have been a fight if GZ stays in the car. Wouldn't the 'dangerous' 17-year-old go home. Why is GZ walking around with a gun with the safety off. Was he expecting something dangerous to happen. If that was GZ's voice on the 911 call yelling for help, then why did he stop yelling as soon as the shot was fired. If, as he claims, that he didn't know Treyvon was dead until the cop told him - wouldn't he keep screaming for help from the life or death struggle.

How did GZ know he was up to no good. How did he know that he was high, was he with him when he smoked marijuana. If GZ was really that scared then why didn't he wait for the cops to arrive. If he spread his arms out away from his body, then why did the cops say that they found Treyvon's arms underneath him. If Treyvon really had bashed GZ's head against the concrete 10-12 times, wouldn't he have more than a couple of scrapes and a few lumps on his pointy head. Wouldn't he have a concussion. Wouldn't he have gone to the ER for treatment..........oh yeah, his attorneys admitted he exaggerated his injuries (exaggerated is a nice way of saying he lied).

Could he have, maybe, twisted the truth a little (another nice way of saying he lied). The moment he got out of the car, he started it.

My theory: GZ snuck up on TM from behind and TM spun and popped him in the nose saying "Get off me." GZ grabbed him and they both fell in a heap with GZ hitting his head against the sidewalk. They scuffled, rolling around changing dominant position at various times. GZ reaches for his gun and aims at TM, noticing the gun TM begins to scream for help because he knows he's about to die; because GZ is pointing it right at his chest, he pulls the trigger - direct hit - TM is struck point blank, right through the heart. GZ stands there and watches him die. The police do their damndest to breathe life into the boy. GZ stands there and watches him die.

I submit that it was GZ who uttered those words - "You're gonna die tonight" IN COLD BLOOD.

SGG

Did any of the jurors even consider any of the above questions.

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Assuming the pesky issue of physical evidence contradicts your story.

Oh, and " these laws " actually benefit minorities, counter to what this reckless administration is trying to promote.

Self defense is a basic human right.

Oh, and also, which keeps getting lost in the mindless shouting... 'Stand your ground ' had zero to do w/ this case, what so ever. It didn't come into play. It wasn't an issue here.

[Thinks to self - shall I attempt a rational conversation with this being]

Sometime physical evidence requires interpretation, or it just isn't sufficient to make a judgement on its own merit. And I suppose that's one of the weaknesses inherent in self defence laws, you may have physical evidence of being attacked, but if you've been in a fight, how do you determine who started it. Not always easy to work out.

Secondly, does physical attack consititute the only threat in a situation. Take ikiki's example, if you threaten someone verbally "i'm going to rape you and then cut out your liver and eat it' or by cornering someone, and they attack you in self defence, and you kill them, how is that going to pan out when self defence laws are broad enough that police might view the scene, say 'meh, you've got some injuries, obviously self defence - see you later pal'

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:53 PM

His right to 'defend' himself was upheld by a jury of his 'peers' and now he gets the hero treatment that he so very much wanted. Sure George, come to papa, let's us crown you Hero of the Day. Bring your suit of armor and your 12-gauge, you'll need it.

His civil rights are intact. Let him walk the streets of Laredo, toting his old .44 and yelling YYYEEEEEEEEEEEHAW! I hope he's sleeping well these days. It's not everyday you get to shoot a dangerous criminal toting a bag o' skittles. Real dangerous that!

I feel safer already.

SGG

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Unbelievable. DOJ is merely pandering to the certain element here. This, after the tip line nonsense, trying to troll for any info ( after the FBI's report showing no such evidence ) to bring up contrived civil right's charges.

We're witness to the the most corrupt, destructive , and radical admin - ever.

I wonder if GZ can sue. This act puts his life in jeopardy, as he's being deprived of his basic human rights of self defense.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:55 PM

From the King himself.............

SGG

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Hahahahahahha. That was too funny ^

Knee-jerk reaction...as I said.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:15 PM

Try this on for size:

Zimmerman is an unhinged loon, spoiling for a fight. He will ride again soon and shoot someone else. He can't help himself.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/15/george-zimmerman-shouldnt-have-h
ad-a-gun/

"got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence."

My hero!!!!

SGG

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Chrissy - You honestly think that being charged for 2nd degree murder, going to trial , being found not guilty, and THEN having the race baiters all but call for the vigilante murder of you is getting a free pass ?
More of a free pass then being killed for standing your ground against a threatening stalker, you fucking loon.
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No, THIS must be what going crazy feels like !
Again, get some help. Your disconnect from humanity is the source of all your problems.

Trayvon didn't 'stand his ground'. He had premeditation ( crazy ass cracka ) , and confronted Zimmerman, when he could have easily just walked home. Trayvon was the stalker.

Your disconnect from reality has unhinged you. You've lost your clarity. Enlightenment is eluding you.

Take deep breaths.

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Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:14 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Read WHY my view may differ from yours, and don't just have a knee-jerk reaction.

Hmmm... WHY do rappy's posts differ from mine?

Maybe because he's scared shitless, which is why he will advocate torturing people and detaining them indefinitely on the notion that they MIGHT be guilty of something.

Maybe it's because he's a sociopath who wants hundreds of thousands of brown civilians killed because somebody somewhere might be thinking about doing something bad to us.

Maybe it's because he's a greedy bastard who would rather that poor, sick people die than touch "his" money.

Maybe it's because he's a hopeless rightwing tool who is so propagandized that he makes up facts out of thin air, like the economy being ON FIRE! just a month before the crash, or fictional WMD.

Or maybe it's because he's so mentally deficient that he can turn a young man confronting a stalker with a gun into some kind of evil premeditated act.

So, I dunno... WHY do you think rappy's posts are different from mine? Sociopathy? Mendacity? Intellectual disability? It's a tough call.

(Oh, BTW rappy, that is what you get for asking the wrong question. I think you wanted people to think about HOW your posts are different from others. Language skills aren't your strong point?)

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:23 AM

America loves a winner!

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Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:33 AM

America loves a winner!

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Read WHY my view may differ from yours, and don't just have a knee-jerk reaction.
Hmmm... WHY do rappy's posts differ from mine?

Maybe because he's scared shitless, which is why he will advocate torturing people and detaining them indefinitely on the notion that they MIGHT be guilty of something.

Maybe it's because he's a sociopath who wants hundreds of thousands of brown civilians killed because somebody somewhere might be thinking about doing something bad to us.

Wrong, and with nothing to back that up.

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Maybe it's because he's a greedy bastard who would rather that poor, sick people die than touch "his" money.

Wrong, and with nothing to back that up either.

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Maybe it's because he's a hopeless rightwing tool who is so propagandized that he makes up facts out of thin air, like the economy being ON FIRE! just a month before the crash, or fictional WMD.

Again wrong, though I AM unabashedly conservative.

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Or maybe it's because he's so mentally deficient that he can turn a young man confronting a stalker with a gun into some kind of evil premeditated act.

GZ wasn't a 'stalker', in the least, so I haven't turned your fictional scenario into anything.

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So, I dunno... WHY do you think rappy's posts are different from mine? Sociopathy? Mendacity? Intellectual disability? It's a tough call.

You keep using words which do not mean what you think they mean. AND, you fail to support your claims. Merely repeating them over and over, doesn't make your case. You might want to see to that.

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(Oh, BTW rappy, that is what you get for asking the wrong question. I think you wanted people to think about HOW your posts are different from others. Language skills aren't your strong point?)

No, I meant what I said. Because there's a reason for why I post what I do. It's not just in how we differ, but a deeper meaning, as to WHY.

Maybe someday you'll catch up. I do have that feeling.

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