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You do realize that this article is four months old, right?

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You do realize that this article is four months old, right?

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You do realize that this article is four months old, right?

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You DO realize that by the time Obama gets around to firing on Syria, that use of chemical weapons will have been more than a month old?

I guess my point is... So what? Chemical weapons have already been used. Finger points tentatively in the direction of the "rebels". One would think that this evidence should be taken into consideration when trying to figure out who used chemical weapons most recently.

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Testimony from victims now strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin Nerve Gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior UN diplomat said Monday.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.

But she said her panel had not yet seen any evidence of Syrian government forces using chemical weapons (CW), according to the BBC, she added that more investigation was needed.

Damascus is facing growing Western accusations that its forces used such weapons, which US President Obama has described as crossing a Red Line. But Ms. del Ponte’s remarks may serve to shift the focus of international concern.

Ms. del Ponte, who in Y 1999 was appointed to head the UN was crimes tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda, has sometimes been a controversial figure. She was removed from her Rwanda post by the UN Security Council in Y 2003, but she continued as the Chief prosecutor for the Yugoslav tribunal until Y 2008.

Rebel Free Syrian Army spokesman Louay Almokdad denied that rebels had use chemical weapons (CW).

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you find yourself wanting to help people, then HELP. Roads, schools, wells, loan forgiveness ... all of them are so much more effective helping people than bombs and missiles.

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If there is tyrant who is really brutalizing a nation, then find his (or her) source of power and unplug it. There is (almost) no tyrant who can exist without foreign banks, foreign trade, and foreign guns propping up his (or her) tyranny.

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Okay. So how do we help folks in Syria? You think Assad will let us provide humanitarian supplies that the rebels might use?

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Unfortunately, there is sometimes nothing you can do.

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Okay. So how do we help folks in Syria?

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You think Assad will let us provide humanitarian supplies that the rebels might use? Same in places like DR Congo. If we send aid, it just ends up lining the pockets of the kleptocratic government.

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So you want us to take on Russia?

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Oh please don't attack Syria and start WW3!

I don't know about you guys but based on this conversation I'm sure that democrats and republicans can unite against this really bad idea and take it down together.

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In other words:

We are FUCKED.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Worth a note here Rappy, that when the OTHER scumsucking sociopath did the exact same thing, charged into a full on into a war with no real evidence and laughable reasons, you couldn't get ENOUGH of that Kool-aid, chugga-chugga-chugga, and shrieked like a demented banshee at anyone who pointed out how laughable the so-called-evidence and rationale was, and despite your pathetic lies and evasions and prayers for short memories some of us DO remember it, and your enteral guilt for enabling it whether you feel it or not.

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Except they're not gonna do that. They're gonna give Obama the green light to attack.

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Not really. You'll be just fine, unless higher gas and consumer goods prices means you're "fucked".

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The whole Middle East thing is an interminable bore.

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It's been under reported, and for good reason. Barry's 'Red-line' declaration was a colossal boner by a Commander OF Chief who has no exit strategy, no military objective, no stated goals, other than to say " Guys! Stop that! ".

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The one time we all agree on something. THE ONE TIME.

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The one time we all agree on something. THE ONE TIME.

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But we don't.

See, that's why I am so annoyed about it, Rappy and his ilk, their problem with it ISN'T WHAT WE ARE DOING - not in the slightest, it's WHO is holding the reins when it happens, and that's *IT*.

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See, that's why I am so annoyed about it, Rappy and his ilk, their problem with it ISN'T WHAT WE ARE DOING - not in the slightest, it's WHO is holding the reins when it happens, and that's *IT*.

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But we don't.

See, that's why I am so annoyed about it, Rappy and his ilk, their problem with it ISN'T WHAT WE ARE DOING - not in the slightest, it's WHO is holding the reins when it happens, and that's *IT*.

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Unfortunately correct. And then there's "glorious" Jong....




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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But we don't.

See, that's why I am so annoyed about it, Rappy and his ilk, their problem with it ISN'T WHAT WE ARE DOING - not in the slightest, it's WHO is holding the reins when it happens, and that's *IT*.

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Unfortunately correct. And then there's "glorious" Jong....




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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I'm really hoping that was sarcasm in response to my own gloomy bleak sarcasm.

Don't take that away from me. I have so little faith left in humanity.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Worth a note here Rappy, that when the OTHER scumsucking sociopath did the exact same thing, charged into a full on into a war with no real evidence and laughable reasons, you couldn't get ENOUGH of that Kool-aid, chugga-chugga-chugga, and shrieked like a demented banshee at anyone who pointed out how laughable the so-called-evidence and rationale was, and despite your pathetic lies and evasions and prayers for short memories some of us DO remember it, and your enteral guilt for enabling it whether you feel it or not.

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Worth repeating.

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I'm really hoping that was sarcasm in response to my own gloomy bleak sarcasm.

Don't take that away from me. I have so little faith left in humanity.

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Sarcasm, yes. But not in response to anything you said. Read jong's last comment...




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Worth a note here Rappy, that when the OTHER scumsucking sociopath did the exact same thing, charged into a full on into a war with no real evidence and laughable reasons, you couldn't get ENOUGH of that Kool-aid, chugga-chugga-chugga, and shrieked like a demented banshee at anyone who pointed out how laughable the so-called-evidence and rationale was, and despite your pathetic lies and evasions and prayers for short memories some of us DO remember it, and your enteral guilt for enabling it whether you feel it or not.

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Worth repeating.

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Completely wrong, on all counts. Again.

But leave it to Storybook to side with lunacy, again.

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I don't always agree with Frem - but he sure as shit has you pegged. Deny all you like, we've all read the shit you've posted over the years. You were the biggest war cheerleader around.

Keep it up, we'll keep laughing at ya. Its literally all you're good for.

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There's obviously a bit of hypocrisy on both sides in this affair, but I have to say that watching Republican pols and conservative pundits get on their high horses about Syria has been pretty nauseating. These are guys who mostly have never met a war they didn't like, and until a few months ago were practically baying at the moon to demand that that President Obama stop diddling around and get serious about aiding the rebels and taking out the monstrous Bashar al-Assad. But now?

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Iraq isn't Syria. Apples and Oranges, good buddy.

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Iraq isn't Syria. Apples and Oranges, good buddy.

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Yep, you're right. There was far less evidence to invade Iraq, far greater planned "action", many hundreds of thousands more dea, and far more money spent. Syria is but a pale reflection.

And, yeah rappy... we know what you said then, and you can't possibly expunge that memory no matter how hard you try.

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There's obviously a bit of hypocrisy on both sides in this affair, but I have to say that watching Republican pols and conservative pundits get on their high horses about Syria has been pretty nauseating. These are guys who mostly have never met a war they didn't like, and until a few months ago were practically baying at the moon to demand that that President Obama stop diddling around and get serious about aiding the rebels and taking out the monstrous Bashar al-Assad. But now?

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Okay. So how do we help folks in Syria?

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Well, first of all, we can stop arming the "rebels" in Syria who - at this point- are nothing more than AQ.

We can have a friendly talk with the Saudis and Qataris and Croatia, who (between the three of them) flew in some 150 planeloads of weapons thru Turkey, specifically to AQ. And how about that NATO ally of ours, Turkey?

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You think Assad will let us provide humanitarian supplies that the rebels might use? Same in places like DR Congo. If we send aid, it just ends up lining the pockets of the kleptocratic government.

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No, but we could work with Russia to find a negotiated settlement, which was what they suggested something like a year ago, and something we refused to countenance.

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No, I want us to do what we should have done a year ago: keep our eye on the ball. Assad was not such a horrible leader, just as Qaddafi was preferable to the clusterfuck that is now Libya. As a minority himself, he did a good job protecting other minorities - including Xtians- in Syria. If Assad falls, we'll have another nation completely riven by Saudi terrorists and factional terrorism. Since we've managed to destablize every single secular leadership in the ME so far ... what are we, 0 for 4? ... I'm beginning to think that clusterfucking the mideast is our goal.

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Or are you suggesting that when the Arab Spring started, we should have gone in with support for the dictators and strongmen, since they'd keep the lid on Muslim extremists? Hmm. Change "Muslim extremists" to "Communist insurgents" and that sounds kinda familiar.

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Or are you suggesting that when the Arab Spring started, we should have gone in with support for the dictators and strongmen, since they'd keep the lid on Muslim extremists? Hmm. Change "Muslim extremists" to "Communist insurgents" and that sounds kinda familiar.

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I'm suggesting what I already suggested many times before. There are non-military actions that can be taken. I won't go thru them again, I'll leave you to look them up. Or you can put your thinking cap on and come up with constructive ideas of your own.

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