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Putting ideology and false pride before the good of the people. Obama KNEW of online exchange problems, didn't care.
Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:17 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:17 AM
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:23 PM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:50 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: I have never seen an online service that did not have launch issues the first few weeks or even months.
Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:59 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: I have never seen an online service that did not have launch issues the first few weeks or even months. Yep. Just another reason for the raptard to vent his spleen, move along folks. Nothing of substance here...
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:26 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Except, it's entirely substantive. This is real news. And not 'trivial' news either for those who can comprehend past partisan Obamabot talking points.
Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:55 PM
Quote: Robert Laszewski, a health-care consultant with clients in the insurance industry, said insurers were complaining loudly that the site, www.healthcare.gov, was not working smoothly during frequent teleconferences with officials at the Department of Health and Human Services before the exchange’s launch and afterward. “People were pulling out their hair,” he said. ... John Engates, chief technology officer at service provider RackSpace, said the government should have been able to prepare for the type of traffic that the site has experienced. “I think that any modern Web company would be well prepared for a launch of this scale,” said Engates. “We’re not talking about hundreds of millions of people and we’re not talking about complex transactions. This isn’t downloading full movies off of Netflix. The question I have is: Did they have enough time to prepare and did the people doing the work know what they were doing?”
Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:44 PM
Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:05 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by G: Dollars to donuts the server crashes were caused by republican paid hackers - wait for that story to surface. If they didn't they missed a huge opportunity, which seems completely out of character.
Quote:The perfect solution fallacy is an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument assumes that a perfect solution exists and/or that a solution should be rejected because some part of the problem would still exist after it were implemented. This is a classic example of black and white thinking, in which a person fails to see the complex interplay between multiple component elements of a situation or problem, and as a result, reduces complex problems to a pair of binary extremes. It is common for arguments which commit this fallacy to omit any specifics about exactly how, or how badly, a proposed solution is claimed to fall short of acceptability, expressing the rejection in vague terms only. Alternatively, it may be combined with the fallacy of misleading vividness, when a specific example of a solution's failure is described in emotionally powerful detail but base rates are ignored (see availability heuristic). The fallacy is a type of false dilemma.
Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: But he does go on, doesn't he? Gotta convince SOMEBODY, SOMEHOW... (Thanx for the giggle, by the way; I do love the mental picture of poor Obama, huddled over a computer writing code, which apparently is what Rap envisions)
Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA: Quote:Originally posted by G: Dollars to donuts the server crashes were caused by republican paid hackers - wait for that story to surface. If they didn't they missed a huge opportunity, which seems completely out of character. Paid ? why waste the money when they got plenty of totally deniable "true believers" who'll do it all on their own in a halfassed fashion out of fanatic loyalty to overlords who despise them, salivating the whole way like the gullible ignorant morons they are ? And when they get caught out, no paper or money trail connecting them to the fuckers who want it done, convenient, right ? You know, ignorant fucks like Rappy here, plenty of those, too stupid to realize they'd be first under the wheels of the machine if the real bastards ever get it movin. But mostly teething problems, in all truth. Also, this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#Perfect_solution_fallacy Quote:The perfect solution fallacy is an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument assumes that a perfect solution exists and/or that a solution should be rejected because some part of the problem would still exist after it were implemented. This is a classic example of black and white thinking, in which a person fails to see the complex interplay between multiple component elements of a situation or problem, and as a result, reduces complex problems to a pair of binary extremes. It is common for arguments which commit this fallacy to omit any specifics about exactly how, or how badly, a proposed solution is claimed to fall short of acceptability, expressing the rejection in vague terms only. Alternatively, it may be combined with the fallacy of misleading vividness, when a specific example of a solution's failure is described in emotionally powerful detail but base rates are ignored (see availability heuristic). The fallacy is a type of false dilemma. And because I wanna, yanno, make SURE - yes little Rappy, I just called you stupid, cause that might not have been obvious to you. (Though it damn sure was to everyone else) -Frem ETA: Also, This. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131010/01484924821/why-healthcaregov-sucks-because-they-hired-political-cronies-not-internet-native-companies-to-build-it.shtml
Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:13 PM
Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:14 PM
Friday, October 11, 2013 8:46 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by G: Well, let's see... any other completely transformative change in how we live have any rollout issues? Bound to happen. When something is so broken for so long you get tired of waiting or listening to any contrary voice - sometimes you just have to be bold and jump in and figure it out. Isn't that suppose to be the American way?
Friday, October 11, 2013 9:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Why they couldn't piggyback off this functional, tested system is a mystery to me.
Friday, October 11, 2013 9:05 AM
Friday, October 11, 2013 10:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Many of us don't disagree with you guys that government is too big...it's just what YOU want to cut that we disagree on, and that we would rather see things made more efficient and less waste/corruption/pork than kill things left and right.
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:15 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:My I.T. guys could have built the thing in a week for a few hundred bucks. And it'd be perfect from Day 1.
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:18 AM
Quote:Why they couldn't piggyback off this functional, tested system is a mystery to me.
Friday, October 11, 2013 11:22 AM
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Friday, October 11, 2013 7:14 PM
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:17 PM
Quote:Just like with the Solyndra debacle, the Obama Admin. uses tax dollars for graft and fraud. They wipe their asses with our money.
Friday, October 11, 2013 7:30 PM
Quote:While, sure, mainstream media (MSM) have focused more heavily on the shutdown, what attention has been paid to the ACA exchanges has centered almost entirely on its flaws. To be fair, smooth transitions and effortless introductions are not "news". And of those who have tried to use the government websites, 75% said they had problems. But from a tech standpoint, many experts have allowed that the introduction of the Healthcare.gov portal is remarkable mostly because it didn't go worse: "Of all the terrible websites I've seen, Healthcare.gov ranks somewhere in the middle," wrote David Auerbach at Slate. The nerdy curmudgeons at Reddit mostly raked it apart from the perspective of how the problems of implementation were not so much insurmountable failings, but the foreseeable result of a project that had to conform to political goals first, user experience second: "there are actually 51 or so separate IT projects here"; "the site has to have interoperable channels of communications with the department of health, treasury, social security, state agencies, employers, health insurance companies, and consumers"; "they didn't put thought into the sort of traffic they'd receive at all and it turned into a huge news event and honestly, talk about pressure!" Many posted about bugs, just to re-post later that the problem had been addressed. And there was another perspective largely missing from MSM coverage: "Whatever. I've waited years for this. Another week or two won't hurt. They'll get the bugs worked out eventually" This Sunlight Foundation post ( http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/10/05/easy-problems-hard-problems-and-healthcare-gov/) goes into detail to illustrate the scale of the operation the site's designers undertook. It uses analog of party-planning to explain, in part, why the problems were probably inevitable and largely have nothing to do with the essentially superficial problems that have gotten so much attention. Put simply: there's only one birthday girl (a finished enrollment), but there are lots of tasks to complete before the party and during it. The Sunlight author concludes: "Fixing those sorts of bottlenecks can be easy or difficult, [but] the boring truth is that it's hard to say definitively from outside the system. Much harder than carping about uncompressed Javascript, at any rate." Almost all the technical analyses I've read conclude the same way: the project was poorly tested and over-bureaucratized, but it'll probably straighten out. I am not sure conservative critics read to the end of these articles. One Ted Cruz staffer gleefully tweeted out a link to a piece about the site's password woes (headline: "Obamacare site hits reset button on passwords as contractors scramble"), but apparently didn't get to the second paragraph: "Now, a week later, the site appears to be stabilizing, with waiting times dropping dramatically for those who haven't been able to register before." All in all, proper coverage of the rollout would treat it not as "man bites dog", or even "dog bites man", but rather, "dog displays indifference to man, but man will be back later with beef jerky and some toys, hopes to create bond with dog that will last a lifetime." Of course, it's that lifetime bond that makes critics so nervous. Their real fear isn't that ACA and its attendant infrastructure won't work; it's that it will. If its structure was really so deeply flawed, why would conservatives be so suicidally intent on preventing it from taking full effect? For that matter, why are they so sure that the rollout's problems aren't exactly what the administration wants, bwahahahaha? Don't put it past the architects of the Benghazi cover-up to put out a bad first draft just so they can impress you with the second iteration! No, really, that's one theory ( http://www.infowars.com/head-fake-is-healthcare-gov-only-an-empty-shell-mockup-of-a-working-obamacare-exchange/). It's not really that crazy a theory – at least, in so far as the next version of the exchanges problem will work exponentially better. And more distressingly to conservatives, it won't be too long until the ACA isn't a new and scary socialist plot, but just part of American life – like social security, whose implementation had similar organizational headaches and a raft of bellicose critics whose complaints were quickly anachronistic and served mainly to scare off potential beneficiaries. (The SSA official history drily comments that by the time one set of muckracking stories hit the newsstands, the errors it trumpeted "were less than 1% of total wage reports, suggesting the articles reflected political differences rather than administrative inefficiency." Ahem.) Conservatives, tech geeks, and comics had fun with the administration's attempt to smooth over commentary about the exchanges with a comparison to the introduction of Apples iOS7. The analogy does miss the mark – not because iOS7 is relatively stable (and prettier), but because iOS7 doesn't attempt to fundamentally change the way people think about their relationship to the world around them. iOS7 isn't even a significant change in the way we think about the technology it controls. To the extent that one can make an analogy between Healthcare.gov and consumer software or hardware, the ACA is the Apple Newton: a first attempt to get people to interact with their environment in a different way. Print out and hold onto those ACA legacy passwords, folks. They're going to be in a museum some day. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/11/truth-obamacare-rocky-rollout
Friday, October 11, 2013 9:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Just like with the Solyndra debacle, the Obama Admin. uses tax dollars for graft and fraud. They wipe their asses with our money. Sorry to say that Obama is following in Bush's well-worn footsteps. Under Bush, our money went out on pallets to god-knows-who in Iraq. Unfortunately, there's nothing new here, except that under Obama the money seems to be staying mostly at home.
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