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The GOP's little rule change they hoped you would'nt notice.

POSTED BY: OLDENGLANDDRY
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 13:55
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Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:05 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


I hope this video plays because if you haven't seen it, you realy need to.


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Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Games law makers play. Both sides do it, and none of it is pretty. The Dems basically did the same thing, if not worse, to get O-Care passed.

They make their own rules, so they technically can't break the rules, right ?



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh...my...gawd! How did they pass that without anybody noticing? Where were the congress-watchers, the media, anyone?? Sure they all play games, but this shutdown is the biggest, worst game of them all, and we're only hearing about this part NOW?!

Some comments I found on this:
Quote:

"hey guys, the Republicans changed a 200 year old rule the day before the shutdown to stop Democrats from funding the government."

"The house also amended some parliamentarian rules on 30 September that would have allowed a democrat to bring the senate cr to the floor for a vote. It was desribed as "unprecedented" in the few newspapers that reported it.

Anyone who says they don't own the shutdown hasn't been paying attention."

"Whoah!!! How is this not front page news on all media outlets? This is crazy. How in the fuck does anyone justify this?"

I concur.


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Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

How House Republicans guaranteed a shutdown: by changing the rules Here's proof positive that Republicans own this shutdown.

How badly did House Republican leadership wanted to shut down the government? Here's how much. They used an unprecedented parliamentary procedure to block any chance that the clean continuing resolution sent to them by the Senate would reach the floor. They did so by changing standing House rules. Under normal procedure, here's how it would have worked the day it all fell down, September 30. The Senate sent over their clean CR. The House amended it with their anti-Obamacare stuff. The Senate rejected that change, and sent their resolution back. At that point, under normal procedure, any member would have been able to make a motion to bring the Senate bill to the floor. The rule that says they can do it is this:

When the stage of disagreement has been reached on a bill or resolution with House or Senate amendments, a motion to dispose of any amendment shall be privileged.

That means the chambers are deadlocked and any member trying to break the deadlock would be able to do so—would have privilege to do so.

Except that in this case, for this continuing resolution only, Republicans changed the rule. They did it on the night of September 30, the eve of the shutdown, in a Rules Committee meeting. The rule change said that any motion to take up the Senate bill "may be offered only by the majority Leader or his designee." Meaning only Eric Cantor or with his approval. Which wasn't going to happen.

"I've never seen this rule used. I'm not even sure they were certain we would have found it," a House Democratic aide told TPM. "This was an overabundance of caution on their part. 'We've got to find every single crack in the dam that water can get through and plug it.'"

Congressional historians agreed that it was highly unusual for the House to reserve such power solely for the leadership.

"I've never heard of anything like that before," Norm Ornstein, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, said.

There was no way in hell John Boehner and Eric Cantor were going to allow a clean funding bill to reach the floor the night before the shutdown. Because they knew that there were plenty of Republicans who would vote for it and it would pass.

House Democrats knew this was happening from the beginning, but unlike the Senate, the minority party in the House has very little power to do anything about abuses like this. They've been doing what they can do, trying to pass a motion to recommit every mini-funding bill the leadership brings up, to replace them with the Senate's clean resolution. But the procedure is arcane and complex and it's easy for the so-called moderate Republicans to pretend like those efforts don't exist, and to not do what they say they want—reopen government with a clean spending bill. That makes those "moderate" Republicans as complicit in this as their leadership. The entire Republican Party owns this shutdown, completely. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=797_1381651634#jqXBmekLp73Mj16M.99




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Monday, October 14, 2013 2:10 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Games law makers play. Both sides do it, and none of it is pretty. The Dems basically did the same thing, if not worse, to get O-Care passed.

They make their own rules, so they technically can't break the rules, right ?



But you said over and over that they would never force a shutdown.

Then they did, and you blamed the Dems.

Now we have video proof that the GOP did it, and did it deliberately, and all you have is "Meh, it happens."

Cowardly little fuck.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 14, 2013 2:54 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Now we have video proof that the GOP did it, and did it deliberately, and all you have is "Meh, it happens."

Cowardly little fuck.


What a pathetic moron you are. It's Obama's Govt, and his shutdown. And since you like to hurl the profanities around, I'll play along. Fuck you and the gangbanged slut that spawned you.

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Monday, October 14, 2013 3:08 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


It does not surprise me one bit that the GOP would stoop so low to get their way, but was does surprise me is how the mainstream media missed this underhanded abuse of the Democratic system.

Democracy was bent over and royally porked in the butt, and without any KY Jelly.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
I hope this video plays because if you haven't seen it, you realy need to.



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Monday, October 14, 2013 3:32 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
but was does surprise me is how the mainstream media missed this underhanded abuse of the Democratic system.


Certainly the leftist psychos at MSNBC, CBS, and NBC would have covered it, except they didn't. They didn't because the rule change was out in the open, covered on C-Span, and not a big deal. You can't have any one of 435 people in the House being able to call for a vote any time they want. Only the Speaker or someone designated by the Speaker should be able to do that. That insane situation was simply fixed.

Quote:

Democracy was bent over and royally porked in the butt, and without any KY Jelly.
Something you're an expert on no doubt.

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Monday, October 14, 2013 4:15 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Now we have video proof that the GOP did it, and did it deliberately, and all you have is "Meh, it happens."

Cowardly little fuck.


What a pathetic moron you are. It's Obama's Govt, and his shutdown. And since you like to hurl the profanities around, I'll play along. Fuck you and the gangbanged slut that spawned you.



And click, the last thing resembling a thought in Jongsie's sad, bitter little mind just broke.

Go ahead, keep claiming it's Obama''s fault - ignore the reality sitting in front of you. Thats all you pathetic bagger idiots can do anymore (or ever did in the first place).







"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 14, 2013 4:33 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Why even bother with Jong anymore? His vicious hatred has gone right off the rails, left any bounds of rational thought and just devolved into uncompromising ugliness.

Remember


He's pretty much become the poster child, squatting right down there with Kane.




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Monday, October 14, 2013 4:48 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Why even bother with Nikwit anymore? Her vicious hatred has gone right off the rails, left any bounds of rational thought and just devolved into uncompromising ugliness.

She's pretty much become the poster child, squatting right down there with Kwicko and Stormy.


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Monday, October 14, 2013 5:01 PM

MAL4PREZ


A biased idiot in the fourth grade.

Hy Jongs, post that PN style Obama destroying the world image again. I just love it when you do that!

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:05 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:


She's pretty much become the poster child, squatting right down there with Kwicko and Stormy.




Yes, we are the poster children for those who like their reality to be represented by actual facts. Facts we are able to actually cite. We're a crazy lot.

But hey, enjoy wallowing in your ideology and petulant, impotent rage.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:26 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

But hey, enjoy wallowing in your ideology and petulant, impotent rage.


Obviously not so impotent. Sure gets your attention every time. And yes, it is most enjoyable watching you and your fellow fringe left loons tripping over each other trying to get a piece of me. It's also EMPOWERING!

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:17 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

But hey, enjoy wallowing in your ideology and petulant, impotent rage.


Obviously not so impotent. Sure gets your attention every time. And yes, it is most enjoyable watching you and your fellow fringe left loons tripping over each other trying to get a piece of me. It's also EMPOWERING!



You enjoy being mocked as an idiot? Being a complete moron is "empowering?"


Diff'rent strokes, I guess.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:34 PM

JONGSSTRAW


When I consider who is doing the mocking, and their frantic desperation in those efforts, it only enhances the enjoyment and the empowerment.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:37 PM

STORYMARK


"Frantic" huh?

Either you're desperate to come up with some word (in your limited vocabulary) that you think will be insulting, or you're reading skills are as pathetic as rappy's.


Frantic: wild or distraught with fear, anxiety, or other emotion.

Yeah, not wild (my insults are very clearly directed), no anxiety (Im having fun!)... other emotion, well, I am laughing my ass off at you, but that's not really applicable to the word.

Would you like to continue flaunting your pathetically sad vocabulary skills?





"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:48 PM

JONGSSTRAW


You reek of frantic desperation.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:16 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Good to see America's finest indulging in their usual reasoned and rational discussions.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:21 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You reek of frantic desperation.



Here, let me help you out, since you seem incapable of figuring this out:

dictionary.com

Use it, simpleton.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:39 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


First of all, the vote was perpetrated in Committee (as stated in the video) by the House Rules Committee. Secondly, as you also may have missed, the reaction by other House members was one of shock and disbelief.
The Rule was created as a last ditch effort to unjam a stalemate in the house in order to keep the flow of government open, as intended by our Founding Fathers. Look it up!

Democracy was shot in the back with a dull knife.

And lastly, you take that back. I'm rubber you're glue,..........

Ah, nothing like a good comeback.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
but was does surprise me is how the mainstream media missed this underhanded abuse of the Democratic system.


Certainly the leftist psychos at MSNBC, CBS, and NBC would have covered it, except they didn't. They didn't because the rule change was out in the open, covered on C-Span, and not a big deal. You can't have any one of 435 people in the House being able to call for a vote any time they want. Only the Speaker or someone designated by the Speaker should be able to do that. That insane situation was simply fixed.

Quote:

Democracy was bent over and royally porked in the butt, and without any KY Jelly.
Something you're an expert on no doubt.


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Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:18 PM

CHRISISALL


Like I've said all along, the only thing worse than a Democrat is a Republican.

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Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:55 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You can't have any one of 435 people in the House being able to call for a vote any time they want.



It worked just fine for years and years and years, but all of a sudden it just HAD to be changed. Nope, nothing to do with the shutdown at all.

Do you seriously believe that????




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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