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Originally posted by Niki2:
The new rules, to be released at a community meeting on November 5 in Sanford, Florida, will state explicitly that residents acting under the authority of neighborhood watch may not carry a firearm or pursue someone they deem suspicious.

"Neighborhood watch was always intended to be a program where you observe what is going on and report it to police. In light of everything that has gone on, that's what we're really going to go back and push. That's what this program is and that's all it is," said Shannon Cordingly, spokeswoman for the Sanford Police Department.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Well given you didn't post any facts and every little bullshit story you tried to sell was quickly and firmly discredited while you were laughed at, why would they ?

-F

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Yeah, Shiny, that's about the sum total of it.

Since there is NO ABSOLUTE PROOF one way or another, nobody can ever know if Zimmerman "defended himself"--just like "Obama shut down the government", Rap will continue repeating that bullshit until the cows come home. He HAS to; it's the only way to keep himself convinced.

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The fact is Zimmerman DID take the law into his own hands...the Stand Your Ground law, for one thing. Given he was told by "the law" to not follow Martin, he took it into his own hands to do so anyway. Given where he lives has banned Neighborhood Watch people from carrying guns, they've made a pretty clear statement on where THEY stand. Given Stand Your Ground is being reconsidered in numerous places, that's yet another statement. What Zimmerman did was show the FLAW of the law, and people are paying attention. Just because a law gets passed doesn't make it a good law, as we've seen hundreds of times.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Zimmerman case had nothing to do w/ SYG. The 9-1-1 dispatch ( hardly " The law " ) told GZ there was no need to follow Trayvon. YOU have no proof what so ever that GZ failed to comply.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
So what, Martin was a vampire who grabbed the guy and teleported somewhere else, cause otherwise how else would Zimmerman have been that far from his car and the location he was told to remain at, hmm ?

Unless you have some OTHER bizarre bullshit "explaination" why the incident occured some distance away which involves Zim *not* failing to comply and following Martin.

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Originally posted by Geezer:

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
So what, Martin was a vampire who grabbed the guy and teleported somewhere else, cause otherwise how else would Zimmerman have been that far from his car and the location he was told to remain at, hmm ?

Unless you have some OTHER bizarre bullshit "explaination" why the incident occured some distance away which involves Zim *not* failing to comply and following Martin.

-F

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Interesting that in this case, it's a citizen's duty to comply with a request by law enforcement. Strange how having to comply with a request by TSA agents makes them tyrannical and legitimate targets for killing.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


There is no 'b.s.' explanation in the first place, so there can't be ANOTHER one.

The jury heard the evidence, went over it, and gave a verdict.

SYG law had zero to do w/ the case, at all, which is what this thread is all about.



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Originally posted by Niki2:
Speaking of Stand Your Ground, in Florida,

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Sanity in Florida? George Zimmerman's Town Bans Guns for Neighborhood Watch Volunteers

ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The Florida city where neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin is changing the rules on how civilian patrols can operate to help prevent a recurrence and revive the program's reputation.

The new rules, to be released at a community meeting on November 5 in Sanford, Florida, will state explicitly that residents acting under the authority of neighborhood watch may not carry a firearm or pursue someone they deem suspicious.

"Neighborhood watch was always intended to be a program where you observe what is going on and report it to police. In light of everything that has gone on, that's what we're really going to go back and push. That's what this program is and that's all it is," said Shannon Cordingly, spokeswoman for the Sanford Police Department.

"People in the community are nervous to join a group (neighborhood watch) that was tarnished in the media and got a bad image with everything that happened. We really want to put those fears to rest and get the community going on the program," Cordingly said.

Today's neighborhood groups often are untrained and unsupervised by police, vary in their dedication to the job, and remain unregistered with either the sheriffs' association or local police agencies.

In 2011, when Zimmerman organized a watch group in his gated neighborhood, Sanford police offered a handbook and a presentation by a police volunteer explaining the role of the group in helping deter crime.

Sanford's new rules are laid out in a more detailed handbook and will require neighborhood watch groups to undergo training, register members with the police department and regularly update their status with the department, Cordingly said.

The neighborhood watch program will be overseen by the department's new full-time three-officer community relations unit, she said.

Cordingly said the police department for the first time will map out the locations and keep track of neighborhood watch groups.

She said any neighborhood watch member who violates the rules, including carrying a weapon, will face removal from the program but will not be charged with a crime.

Martin's family in April settled their wrongful death claim for Trayvon's death against The Retreat at Twin Lakes subdivision for what was reportedly at least $1 million. http://news.yahoo.com/florida-city-bans-guns-neighborhood-watch-volunt
eers-170449357--finance.html

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Perhaps that will prevent another Zimmerman from taking the law into his own hands...or not.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, this thread has to do with SYG and it's inevitable repeal. Your comment is that SYG had nothing to do with the Zimmerman case. Of course, the fact that the police mentioned SYG has no bearing whatsoever.

So here's my comment:

Zimmerman claimed self-defense against a kid who had no weapon. He used deadly force (something that cops professionally train for), was told not to follow, and got out of his car despite the fact that the real police were on their way.

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If he feared so much for his life, why oh why did he get out of his car?
That would have been my first question to my fellow jurors. He completely ignored the dispatcher and put himself in harm's way. Please explain to me why, if he was in fear for his life, did he get out of the car. It makes no sense. A normal person, in fear of possible bodily harm or threat to life, would stay put and wait for the authorities.

Tell me that a normal sane person, thinking that someone is suspicious and lurking about in the dark looking for trouble, would open the door to his car and think to himself:

"I'm afraid, so I'll get out of my car, follow this potentially bad person around in the dark, and see what happens."

Don't make some shit up. That was his testimony. He spoke clearly. He got out of the car to see where he went and suddenly he (Trayvon) jumped out of a bush (that wasn't there) and attacked him.

So why did he get out of the car and look to see where he went, when he was told not to?

Please enlighten and dazzle me...................


SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Huh!?

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
So what, Martin was a vampire who grabbed the guy and teleported somewhere else, cause otherwise how else would Zimmerman have been that far from his car and the location he was told to remain at, hmm ?

Unless you have some OTHER bizarre bullshit "explaination" why the incident occured some distance away which involves Zim *not* failing to comply and following Martin.

-F

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Interesting that in this case, it's a citizen's duty to comply with a request by law enforcement. Strange how having to comply with a request by TSA agents makes them tyrannical and legitimate targets for killing.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Interesting that in this case, it's a citizen's duty to comply with a request by law enforcement. Strange how having to comply with a request by TSA agents makes them tyrannical and legitimate targets for killing.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Interesting that in this case, it's a citizen's duty to comply with a request by law enforcement. Strange how having to comply with a request by TSA agents makes them tyrannical and legitimate targets for killing.

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When did I ever mention duty to comply ?

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Zim "passed the buck" by contacting law enforcement and as default security policy when you pass that buck, you PASS it - LEO personnel get very damn annoyed (and I honestly don't blame them) when local security calls them in to handle a situation and then still meddles, it's stupid, tactically unsound and just an all around recipe for disaster.

They gave him good advice, clear instructions - whether or no he had a legal duty in that respect is immaterial, his actions after that point deserve nothing but condemnation.

Worth remembering I do this for a living, folks.

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