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Obamacare is in much more trouble than it was one week ago

POSTED BY: JONGSSTRAW
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Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:14 PM

JONGSSTRAW


From the Obama-loving left-wing pundit himself ....

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By Ezra Klein
November 13
Washington Post

1. The Affordable Care Act's political position has deteriorated dramatically over the last week. President Bill Clinton's statement that the law should be reopened to ensure everyone who likes their health plans can keep them was a signal event. It gives congressional Democrats cover to begin breaking with the Obama administration.

2. The most serious manifestation of that break is Sen. Mary Landrieu's "Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act." It's co-sponsored not just by the usual moderate Democrats -- Landrieu and Dianne Feinstein and Mark Pryor and Kay Hagan -- but also by Oregon liberal Jeff Merkley. It's worth noting that Merkley is up for reelection in 2014.

3. The argument Landrieu is making on behalf of the bill will appeal to many Senate Democrats. "When we passed the Affordable Care Act, we did so with the intention that if you liked your health plan, you could keep it," she said on the Senate floor. "A promise was made and this legislation will ensure that this promise is kept." It's an underplayed dynamic of the current political storm that many congressional Democrats feel Obama broke a promise he made to them, as well.

4. The bill Landrieu is offering could really harm the law. It would mean millions of people who would've left the individual insurance market and gone to the exchanges will stay right where they are. Assuming those people skew younger, healthier, and richer -- and they do -- Obamacare's premiums will rise. Meanwhile, many people who could've gotten better insurance on the exchanges will stay in bad plans that will leave them bankrupt when they get sick.

"I think it would be a real substantive mistake to do the Landrieu bill," says MIT health economist Jon Gruber, a supporter of the Affordable Care Act.

5. Put simply, the Landrieu bill solves one of Obamacare's political problems at the cost of worsening its most serious policy problem: Adverse selection. Right now, the difficulty of signing up is deterring all but the most grimly determined enrollees. The most determined enrollees are, by and large, sicker and older. So the Web site's problems are leading to a sicker, older risk pool. Landrieu's bill will lead to a sicker, older risk pool. Obamacare has provisions meant to stop an out-of-control death spiral, but higher premiums are a real danger. (For more on that, see "Seven reasons Obamacare isn't facing a death spiral.")

6. How much will premiums rise if Landrieu's bill passes? No one knows. "It sure would be good to know how bad that problem is," says Drew Altman, president of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. "I don’t feel I know." Jon Gruber agrees. "I don’t know how much higher premiums go," he sighs. "I really don’t." I asked Landrieu's office whether they had any estimates. "We expect the impact to be very minimal as this bill is designed as a transitional fix," says a staffer.

7. It's useful to think of this in terms of who, on the margin, should be paying higher premiums: The people who've benefited from the various kinds of discrimination that undergird the current system, or the people who've been victimized by that discrimination? Bills like Landrieu's lower premiums for people who have benefited from the system at the cost of raising them for the people who've been locked out of the current system.

8. Insurers would also freak out. "Some insurers would end up pulling out [of the exchanges] for 2014 because they would say their premiums are now inadequate, and the rules have changed," said Larry Levitt, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. They'd be right, of course.

9. Nor is it clear, if the Landrieu bill passes, that that's the end of it. "You’re opening Pandora’s box both with Congress and insurers," warns Altman. Once Congress reopens Obamacare, no one knows where they stop. Landrieu's bill, for instance, will also have to pass the House -- and they're going to want to attach provisions to it that Democrats won't much like.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/13/obamacare-i
s-in-much-more-trouble-than-it-was-one-week-ago/?hpid=z1



What Klein fails to mention is that ONLY Democrats voted for the ACA. And after Sebelius added the requirements that essentially made all existing policies non-compliant, there was a proposed bill to fix it back then.(see below) ... But ALL the Democrats voted against that. So even though they truly own the current disaster, they are trying to act like they want to fix it and it's not their fault. Hi-larious!


Friendly reminder from CNN: Senate Democrats killed a 2010 GOP proposal to let more people keep their plans
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/01/friendly-reminder-from-cnn-senat
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Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:34 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Ted Cruz was right, and we all knew it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:58 PM

JONGSSTRAW


All the 200+ Republican Senators and Representatives who originally voted against the ACA in 2010 were right. Krauthammer said earlier this week that the collapse of Obamacare is inevitable. He also made another statement that was even more shocking; so shocking that I dare not mention it.

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Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:22 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


As long as Obama is in the White House the ACA is not in trouble. By the time he is out the problems will be memories and the program will be like Medicare and Social Security...near untouchable.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, November 15, 2013 8:47 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


I follow this guy on twitter, and read his blog almost every day. He is a supporter of Obamacare but has been spot on about its rollout problems, and how these could imperil it. Sometimes he sounds quite positive notes about the law, and its future, other times he makes dire warnings about how bad the current situation is. But it's funny how the most negative comments get immediately picked up by right wing media and fed back to me via Auraptor and Jongs :-)

It's not personal. It's just war.

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