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America’s families will soon get their turkey, potatoes and cranberries at Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners — but some will also get a tableside political pitch for the Obamacare insurance network.

President Barack Obama’s deputies at Organizing for Action are urging supporters to give an Obamacare pitch to their relatives during the most iconic of American family and religious events.

“Take advantage of downtime after meals or between holiday activities to start your talk,” says OFA’s marketing script, titled “Health Care for the Holidays.”

At Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners, “people will be under the “misconception that the government-designed health-payment plans are too expensive,” says the presidential pitch, which was emailed out on Nov. 23.

“Tell them: There are a variety of plans available in the new health insurance marketplace, so you can pick one that fits your budget. There’s also financial assistance available based on how much you make,” says OFA’s script.

Obama’s effort to push his political priorities into Americans’ private family and religious events reflects his determination to take over the nation’s health-care sector.

Obama and his progressives allies believe that average Americans need their professional, university-learned and well-paid skills to manage their lives. That’s very different from Americans’ evolved popular culture, which declares that families are best able to help young people develop good character.

The progressives’ determination to gatecrash iconic family events reflects self-confidence in their own expertise, their long-held pity and contempt for ordinary Americans and for the institution of family, plus their ability to attract young people to their cause.

But it also shows how Obama and his deputies are worried that their trouble-plagued Obamacare network is in peril.

The online script tries to build up the confidence of young people nervous about making the dinner-table pitch. “If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk,” isays the pitch.

The pitch was previewed Nov. 18 by Sara El-Amine, OFA’s national training director at Organizing for Action. “We all have that uncle or that cousin who needs to be convinced or who needs health-insurance… so [OFA volunteers have begun to] practice those sometime-hard conversations,” she said in a phone call to OFA’s volunteers.

“If every person on this call committed to something small, like talking to your uninsured cousin or nephew at the Thanksgiving table, think about the impact we could have,” she said.

“We’re not going to be able to fight this fight without you,” she told the volunteers, who had gathered to hear a statement from their leader, Obama.

The online script glosses over the many problems with the Obamacare website. But it urges supporters to ask relatives to bring personal information, such as Social Security Numbers, to the dinner so they can use the family computer to join Obamacare after dessert.

The OFA script includes a short video, in which two drab parents urge their friendless young son to buy health-insurance, while they eat Obamacare-compliant small portions of drab food.

The script downplays the cost of Obamacare premiums and deductibles, which are especially high for young, healthy people.

The Obamacare system depends on the monthly Obamcare tax payments from young and healthy people, many of whom are already struggling to save money, get married, pay off student loans or even get a full-time job in stalled economy.

Young peoples’ Obamacare taxes are used to offset the huge cost of providing very expensive insurance to Democrat-leaning groups of immigrants, unskilled, unmarried or sick people.

Other regimes have used children to help government penetrate private family and religious events.

One extreme example is provided by the violent rulers of the Soviet Union, who urged the nation’s children to follow the fabricated example of 14 year-old Pavel Morozov. The boy, according to the official Soviet investigation of his death in 1932, was killed by relatives after he called the secret police to arrest his father for illegal activities. The father was shot after a trial, according to the fabricated story.

Four of his Morozov’s relatives were reputedly shot by the Soviet government to help boost the story, which was used to persuade millions of kids to be loyal to government rather than to their families.

Obama’s determination to pitch his Obamacare program is now tinged with desperation, following the public’s recognition that Obama’s university-trained aides spectacularly failed to manage a staged rollout of the Obamacare network, despite three years of planning.

In recent weeks, Obama’s ratings have plunged down to roughly 40 percent, following the public’s recognition that he lied when he said in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2103 that Americans would be able to keep their insurance plans and doctors after the Obamcare networks is established.

Many Americans’ access to their healthcare is being reduced by Obamacare’s crippled malfunctioning website, by large price spikes, by shrinking access to doctors and reduced marketplace choices.

GOP legislators are trying to develop a replacement system, that would provide large tax-breaks to help people to buy health-insurance from any qualified company in the nation. The GOP alternative would provide federal money to help sick people offset the cost of debilitating medical conditions, and allow them to keep their insurance when they lose or change jobs.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/obama-wants-a-seat-at-your-thanksgiv
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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
God forbid someone tried to convince a family member to get health insurance. The horror!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, are you forbidding people from discussing things that might be of interest - even vital, life-saving interest - to them?

Do YOU want to give marching orders? Just curious.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I see you're one of the Obamabots too. Anything to allow Barry into your home, 24/7, huh?

Good grief.

Besides, Obama lied, about so many things,it's not even funny. Do you REALLY need to talk about O-care during Thanksgiving ? The collectivist mindset is truly a cancer.

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NO GROUNDS FOR CLAIM THAT OBAMACARE LOWERS HEALTHCARE COSTS

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I'm not giving anyone a script , am I ?

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Yes, you are. You're telling people what they CAN'T talk about. Next thing you know, you'll be bellyaching about contraceptives being covered by insurance, 'cause women who need them are "slutty". Oh wait, you've already done that.

You say you're all about "freedom" but you NEVER look in the mirror, do you? *sigh*

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
The biggest difference between this and the GOP taling point that are put out is the President is speaking to all Americans while the GOP memo's are a game plan on how to speak to Americans.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's every bit as bad , who ever does it.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's every bit as bad , who ever does it.

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Care to explain why?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
First of all, it's unprecedented. But to try to sell such an abysmal plan by trying to brain wash people into dragging in friends and family members, at a time where most of us are trying to get AWAY from the b.s. that is real life, is unconscionable. It's turning folks into Jehovah's Witnesses, but instead of going door to door pitching religion, they're already IN your home, preaching Govt. It's beyond creepy.

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:

Well for one if freinds and family members need health insurance they are going to have to go through the exchanges if they want any subsities.

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If you think this is brain washing you really must be weak minded.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, that's an entirely different topic. There's a whole lot of hurt coming down, much which wasn't told to voters and the US public about all this.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is different, but yeah, FDR isn't a bad comparison. One of the worst this nation's ever had, in the destruction he did.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, it's the opposite. If you DON'T see this for what it is, you're the weak one here. This isn't merely the President speaking on the radio. They're giving folks talking points and scripts to sell his plan, the one he lied about, to Americans. But not just Americans in general, but telling them to interject propaganda into what is a national holiday.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's like how Obama wants to coop 9/11 with 'volunteering', and not make it about what it really was. Islamic radicals attacking this country.

He simply cannot help but use a crisis, or try to interject himself and his agenda into the American psyche. Never let a good crisis go to waste, right ?

Obama and his followers are among the very worst this nation has ever had to face.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
( just making 'stuff' up )

" This holiday season, millions of Americans have a chance to get quality, affordable health insurance—many for the first time. If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk."



http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/


CONVERSATION TIPS

Start by asking: “Have you thought about signing up for health insurance on the new marketplace?”

Offer to walk them through it: “Would you like to take some time with me to sign up right now?”

Ask them to make a plan, and commit to it: “When do you plan on signing up?”

Don’t forget to follow up: “Have you signed up yet?”

WHAT’S IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE:

Being covered helps you stay healthy and protects you in an emergency.
You can find a plan that fits your budget—financial assistance is available for those who qualify.
You get to choose the plan that’s right for you.
All the health insurance plans on the new marketplace provide free preventive care—including routine checkups, vaccinations and screenings.
You can’t be denied insurance because of a preexisting condition, and lifetime limits are now banned, so your insurance will be there when you need it.
For your coverage to start January 1, you’ll need to sign up by December 23.
Open enrollment for plans in the marketplace is now through March, but getting started sooner is better.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
There is nothing wrong with any of this, it is just the facts of the law.

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Thank you, Jay Carney.

The POINT of posting this was primarily in response to claims that I was " making shit up", when in fact, I wasn't.

( See above )

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/

Dot COM? Not dot GOV?

So I went looking. barackobama.COM and subheadings are paid for by "Organizing for Action". It's right on the webpage. You can't miss it. According to wiki: "Organizing for Action (OFA) is a nonprofit social welfare organization and community organizing project in the United States ..."

OOPS. NOT Obama

Your sources were wrong, and hey, so are you.

Care to try again and do another faceplant?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"It's Obama, and I wasn't wrong."

So, you continue to lie when the fact that's it's not Obama was clearly proven.

Got it.

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Do you have the whole script? And not just two selected phrases posted in a questionable reicht-wing source. If not - are you just making shit up again when you claim to 'know' what they're doing? Or are you depending on your reicht-wing sources to make up your propaganda for you?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Not according to WIKI. The most Michelle Obama had to do with it was to co-announce it along with Jim Messina.

She does not head, direct, participate or otherwise associate with the organization. Some pro-Obama people are, or were, involved. But according to WIKI, it's a grass-roots organization. If you have a dispute with that, perhaps you could take it up with WIKI.

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You're making a distinction without a difference. I doubt very highly the President did not give some type of approval for this.

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I can't find any evidence he gave approval for * anything * they've done. You're making assumptions without showing a basis.

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I think you may be making too much of M Obama's involvement. In the fist page or so of this google search "michelle obama" "organizing for action" https://www.google.com/#q=%22michelle+obama%22+%22organizing+for+actio
n%22 I can't find any evidence she's actively involved, or did anything other than co-'announce'. Can you find any supporting documentation for your claims?

As for the organization as a whole, the national staff consists of FORMER members of Obama's team (some of them state or local) who or may not have had access to him then, or access to him now. Meanwhile, the bulk of the group is organized on the state level (WIKI): 'Like its predecessor, Organizing for Action is composed of fifty different state organizations, united by a single national umbrella.'

The evidence that this is an organization run by Obama for Obama just isn't there. Or, you could dig something up and show otherwise.

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Also, to get back to your assumption, I delved further into it to see if you might be right, which is what I posted. It wasn't 'more of the same post', it was finding more evidence for the same fact. After checking it out further, it still looks like you're not right. It's a large, 50-state organization, each an entity unto itself. Each state runs its own campaigns and picks its own topics to work on. That they should come together on a single subject isn't capable of being orchestrated from the WH, imo.

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So, you continue to lie when the fact that's it's not Obama was clearly proven.

That wasn't even the point YOU MADE!

No, it was the point YOU made. YOU are the one who claimed this is Obama's effort. You did it

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Directly from the Obama site itself. But it's not Obama

Not making shit up. Know EXACTLY what they are doing. But it's not Obama

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In order to 'win' you had to abandon your entire point that it was Obama, yanno, the point in your TITLE and ARGUMENT. So let me highlight this again - But it's not Obama, and that's an epic fail of the point you were trying, and failing, to make.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Your 'source' also indicated this was Obama. Yep, they failed too.

I know you're done when you have nothing left to say, but stamp your little feet and say 'But I WON! I DID! I did TOO!'

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"The " source " of all this was the obama site itself."

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Obama wants a seat at your Thanksgiving dinner

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America’s families will soon get their turkey, potatoes and cranberries at Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners — but some will also get a tableside political pitch for the Obamacare insurance network.

President Barack Obama’s deputies at Organizing for Action are urging supporters to give an Obamacare pitch to their relatives during the most iconic of American family and religious events.

“Take advantage of downtime after meals or between holiday activities to start your talk,” says OFA’s marketing script, titled “Health Care for the Holidays.”

At Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners, “people will be under the “misconception that the government-designed health-payment plans are too expensive,” says the presidential pitch, which was emailed out on Nov. 23.

“Tell them: There are a variety of plans available in the new health insurance marketplace, so you can pick one that fits your budget. There’s also financial assistance available based on how much you make,” says OFA’s script.

Obama’s effort to push his political priorities into Americans’ private family and religious events reflects his determination to take over the nation’s health-care sector.

Obama and his progressives allies believe that average Americans need their professional, university-learned and well-paid skills to manage their lives. That’s very different from Americans’ evolved popular culture, which declares that families are best able to help young people develop good character.

The progressives’ determination to gatecrash iconic family events reflects self-confidence in their own expertise, their long-held pity and contempt for ordinary Americans and for the institution of family, plus their ability to attract young people to their cause.

But it also shows how Obama and his deputies are worried that their trouble-plagued Obamacare network is in peril.

The online script tries to build up the confidence of young people nervous about making the dinner-table pitch. “If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk,” isays the pitch.

The pitch was previewed Nov. 18 by Sara El-Amine, OFA’s national training director at Organizing for Action. “We all have that uncle or that cousin who needs to be convinced or who needs health-insurance… so [OFA volunteers have begun to] practice those sometime-hard conversations,” she said in a phone call to OFA’s volunteers.

“If every person on this call committed to something small, like talking to your uninsured cousin or nephew at the Thanksgiving table, think about the impact we could have,” she said.

“We’re not going to be able to fight this fight without you,” she told the volunteers, who had gathered to hear a statement from their leader, Obama.

The online script glosses over the many problems with the Obamacare website. But it urges supporters to ask relatives to bring personal information, such as Social Security Numbers, to the dinner so they can use the family computer to join Obamacare after dessert.

The OFA script includes a short video, in which two drab parents urge their friendless young son to buy health-insurance, while they eat Obamacare-compliant small portions of drab food.

The script downplays the cost of Obamacare premiums and deductibles, which are especially high for young, healthy people.

The Obamacare system depends on the monthly Obamcare tax payments from young and healthy people, many of whom are already struggling to save money, get married, pay off student loans or even get a full-time job in stalled economy.

Young peoples’ Obamacare taxes are used to offset the huge cost of providing very expensive insurance to Democrat-leaning groups of immigrants, unskilled, unmarried or sick people.

Other regimes have used children to help government penetrate private family and religious events.

One extreme example is provided by the violent rulers of the Soviet Union, who urged the nation’s children to follow the fabricated example of 14 year-old Pavel Morozov. The boy, according to the official Soviet investigation of his death in 1932, was killed by relatives after he called the secret police to arrest his father for illegal activities. The father was shot after a trial, according to the fabricated story.

Four of his Morozov’s relatives were reputedly shot by the Soviet government to help boost the story, which was used to persuade millions of kids to be loyal to government rather than to their families.

Obama’s determination to pitch his Obamacare program is now tinged with desperation, following the public’s recognition that Obama’s university-trained aides spectacularly failed to manage a staged rollout of the Obamacare network, despite three years of planning.

In recent weeks, Obama’s ratings have plunged down to roughly 40 percent, following the public’s recognition that he lied when he said in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2103 that Americans would be able to keep their insurance plans and doctors after the Obamcare networks is established.

Many Americans’ access to their healthcare is being reduced by Obamacare’s crippled malfunctioning website, by large price spikes, by shrinking access to doctors and reduced marketplace choices.

GOP legislators are trying to develop a replacement system, that would provide large tax-breaks to help people to buy health-insurance from any qualified company in the nation. The GOP alternative would provide federal money to help sick people offset the cost of debilitating medical conditions, and allow them to keep their insurance when they lose or change jobs.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/obama-wants-a-seat-at-your-thanksgiv
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So, making totally baseless accusations about someone, and the running like hell away from the thread is par for the course for you, is it ?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

If it's an advocacy group - which it is, and they're trying to advance a LEGAL agenda - which they are, then as a process I can't find fault with it.

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Cool.

So if a right-wing advocacy group tries to advocate a legal agenda, we won't hear anything from you. Right?

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