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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:04 PM

AURAPTOR

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IN ICE!

Yep. Too gorram funny.

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A funny thing happened during Australian climate change professor Chris Turney's venture to retrace a 1912 research expedition in Antarctica and gauge how climate change has affected the continent: Two weeks into a five-week excursion, Turney's good ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy got trapped in ice. It turns out, global warming notwithstanding, that there's so much ice down under that two ice-breaking vessels sent to rescue the research team cannot reach the Australasian Antarctic Expedition.

Years ago, global warming believers renamed the phenomenon "climate change" -- probably because of pesky details such as unusually cold weather undercutting the warming argument. Now, just as advocates argue that earth is approaching a tipping point, there's so much ice floating in Antarctica during the Southern Hemisphere's summer that the Australasian Antarctic Expedition posted in a statement: "We're stuck in our own experiment."

Does this incident mean that climate change is an illusion or a hoax? Of course not. Even during its summer, Antarctica is subject to extreme weather. "Bad weather is the norm in Antarctica," climatologist Roy Spencer observed.

But it does show that like the rest of us chickens, scientists have feet of clay. Turney had told journalists that his expedition wanted to collect data that could be used to improve climate models. Too bad the folks who are supposed to predict climate decades into the future are guided by scientists who could not manage to avoid ice floes during a five-week trip.

"We were just in the wrong place at the wrong time," Turney told Fox News. He believes that the ship was stuck in old ice from a 75-mile-long iceberg that broke apart three years ago.

Fair enough. But there's still the issue of ice volume. Climate changers usually warn about Arctic ice, which has been receding over the past few decades, but rarely address the overall growth of ice in Antarctica.

"I'm sure some researchers can find a possible explanation where humans are causing both Arctic ice melting and Antarctic ice growth, but I'm skeptical of scientists who blame every change in nature on human activities. Nature routinely causes its own changes, without any help from us," quoth Spencer, himself a climate change contrarian.

"Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up," the Australasian Antarctic Expedition acknowledges. It's a conundrum. If warming is melting ice in the Northern Hemisphere, why isn't it melting ice in the Southern Hemisphere?

Believers seize on all manner of weather -- less Arctic ice, more Antarctic ice -- as proof of climate change, but as Spencer notes, there is no climate change without man-caused global warming.

Turney told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. that his goal is to excite the public about science. As for climate change, "in the scientific community, it's remarkably solid." And "self-evident."

He pushes a framework of science being data-driven and free from politics. Yet it's hard to escape the suspicion that whatever the icebound researchers experience, they will frame it as proof that climate change is unassailable.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/12/31/global_warming_re
searcher_gets_stuck_in_ice_121091.html#ixzz2pC80w9sL




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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:08 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Amazing manipulation of facts there, Rap. Keep taking your happy pills.

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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:10 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Here is the story without the spin

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An Australian icebreaker has abandoned its attempt to rescue a Russian-flagged ship stuck in sea ice in Antarctica due to adverse weather conditions.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) says the Aurora Australis made it to within 10 nautical miles of the stricken ship but was forced to turn back to open water.

AMSA says poor weather had made it unsafe for the Australian Antarctic Division's icebreaker to continue.

The Akademik Shokalskiy had been retracing Sir Douglas Mawson's Antarctic expedition and conducting scientific research when sea ice closed in about 1,500 nautical miles south of Hobart.

The 74 people on board, including scientists, crew members and paying passengers, have been stranded since Christmas Eve.

AMSA says the area where the expedition ship is beset by ice is currently experiencing winds of up to 30 knots and snow showers.
Destination Antarctica
Read more from Professor Chris Turney about the Australasian Antarctic Expedition's adventure to Antarctica.

Another attempt to reach the vessel will be made when weather conditions improve, AMSA added.

"The Aurora Australis will be monitoring the weather and seeing how it pans out," AMSA's Lisa Martin said.

"There could be further attempts if the master feels the weather conditions are OK to do that attempt, to get further into the ice fields."

In an earlier attempt to reach the stricken ship, a Chinese icebreaker was also forced to turn back after encountering ice that was too thick.

Despite the delays, spirits remain high on the Akademik Shokalskiy and expedition members continue to post messages and videos online.

"It's blowing an absolute blizzard here, there's a total white-out, there's snow blowing everywhere and it's damn cold outside," said expedition member John Black in his latest video message.

"Everybody's fine on board... it's a fantastic adventure we're having."

Expedition spokesman Alvin Stone says the group is not worried about spending New Year's Eve on the ice.

"They've got a good two weeks of fresh food and if that runs out they've got another two weeks of dehydrated food, so I suspect New Year's Eve will still be a pretty good time," he said.


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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


And a bit of info for the climate change deniers/


http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice

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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:56 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Heard on NPR a Japanese ice breaker is going to be sending a helicopter to start evacuating people. They were speaking to a person on the ship by sat phone, he said everyone was fine and in good spirits.

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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:05 PM

AURAPTOR

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Zero manipulation of the facts on my part.

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Two weeks into a five-week excursion, Turney's good ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy got trapped in ice. It turns out, global warming notwithstanding, that there's so much ice down under that two ice-breaking vessels sent to rescue the research team cannot reach the Australasian Antarctic Expedition.


The headline of the article posted, Global Warming Researcher gets stuck in ice was as it originally appeared.

No spin, what so ever.

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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


It's total spin by the climate change deniers.

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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:13 PM

NIKI2

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Sigh...yup, as his own article states quite clearly: "Does this incident mean that climate change is an illusion or a hoax? Of course not. Even during its summer, Antarctica is subject to extreme weather. "Bad weather is the norm in Antarctica," climatologist Roy Spencer observed."

Hope everybody's okay...other than that, means nothing. Except to Rap. Who's just doing his usual thing...


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Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:22 PM

NIKI2

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Magons, your link needs a ".htm" after it. For those actually interested:
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Climate Myth:

"Antarctica is gaining ice": "[Ice] is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap." (Greg Roberts, The Australian)

Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.

In glaciology and particularly with respect to Antarctic ice, not all things are created equal. Let us consider the following differences. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass itself through snowfall. This land ice therefore is actually stored ocean water that once fell as precipitation. Sea ice in Antarctica is quite different as it is ice which forms in salt water primarily during the winter months. When land ice melts and flows into the oceans global sea levels rise on average; when sea ice melts sea levels do not change measurably.

In Antarctica, sea ice grows quite extensively during winter but nearly completely melts away during the summer (Figure 1). That is where the important difference between Antarctic and Arctic sea ice exists as much of the Arctic's sea ice lasts all the year round. During the winter months it increases and before decreasing during the summer months, but an ice cover does in fact remain in the North which includes quite a bit of ice from previous years (Figure 1). Essentially Arctic sea ice is more important for the earth's energy balance because when it increasingly melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the oceans whereas Antarctic sea ice normally melts each summer leaving the earth's energy balance largely unchanged.

One must also be careful how you interpret trends in Antarctic sea ice. Currently this ice is increasing overall and has been for years but is this the smoking gun against climate change? Not quite. Antarctic sea ice is gaining because of many different reasons but the most accepted recent explanations are listed below:

i) Ozone levels over Antarctica have dropped causing stratospheric cooling and increasing winds which lead to more areas of open water that can be frozen (Gillet 2003, Thompson 2002, Turner 2009).

and

ii) The Southern Ocean is freshening because of increased rain and snowfall as well as an increase in meltwater coming from the edges of Antarctica's land ice (Zhang 2007, Bintanga et al. 2013). Together, these change the composition of the different layers in the ocean there causing less mixing between warm and cold layers and thus less melted sea and coastal land ice.

All the sea ice talk aside, it is quite clear that really when it comes to Antarctic ice and sea levels, sea ice is not the most important thing to measure. In Antarctica, the largest and most important ice mass is the land ice of the West Antarctic and East Antarctic ice sheets.

Therefore, how is Antarctic land ice doing?



Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice (bottom panel) show an increasing contribution to sea level with time, although not as fast a rate or acceleration as Greenland. Between 1992 and 2011, the Antarctic Ice Sheets overall lost 1350 giga-tonnes (Gt) or 1,350,000,000,000 tonnes into the oceans, at an average rate of 70 Gt per year (Gt/yr). Because a reduction in mass of 360 Gt/year represents an annual global-average sea level rise of 1 mm, these estimates equate to an increase in global-average sea levels by 0.19 mm/yr.

There is variation between regions within Antarctica (top panel), with the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the Antarctic Peninsula Ice Sheet losing ice mass, and with an increasing rate. The East Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing slightly over this period but not enough to offset the other losses. There are of course uncertainties in the estimation methods but independent data from multiple measurement techniques (explained here) all show the same thing, Antarctica is losing land ice as a whole, and these losses are accelerating quickly. http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm




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Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:18 AM

KPO

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Ice in Antarctica disproves global warming folks. Accept it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:21 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's total spin by the climate change deniers.



Oh, well then. Since you put it that way...


Is not ! Is not ! Is not !

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Sigh...yup, as his own article states quite clearly: "Does this incident mean that climate change is an illusion or a hoax? Of course not. Even during its summer, Antarctica is subject to extreme weather. "Bad weather is the norm in Antarctica," climatologist Roy Spencer observed."



The author was being sarcastic. NOTHING, not even getting stuck in ice, will deter the AGW folks from seeing the truth.

And are you unfamiliar with Roy Spencer ?

Roy Warren Spencer is a climatologist, Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite.[1][2] He has served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.[1][2]

He is known for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work, for which he was awarded the American Meteorological Society's Special Award.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)

He's a AGW "denier".

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:46 AM

KPO

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Quote:

He's a AGW "denier".

He doesn't dispute that humans are warming the planet via CO2 emissions - he's just one of the few climate scientists who thinks that there's probably nothing to worry about.

As for his scientific integrity, from Wiki:

Quote:

In TCS Daily, Spencer wrote, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism.


and

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"I finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world


Scientists are human beings, and have their own biases, and things that they want to be true. This 'skeptic' seems like a good example of that.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:11 AM

AURAPTOR

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You think Roy Spencer is the only one who has a bias for things he wishes were true ?

Regardless, he's noted for his work in the field of climatology, not biological evolution.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:26 AM

KPO

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You think Roy Spencer is the only one who has a bias for things he wishes were true ?

No. But if 99 experts believe one thing, and one expert believes another, that lone expert is either brilliant, contrarian, or biased. I think we have our answer for this particular climate skeptic (and most of the others).

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:37 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Dr. Spencer had done some pretty great things in the area of using satellites to track global tempatures. It is to bad he allows his religous beliefs to hold him back.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:39 AM

NIKI2

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Yeah, KPO, you nailed it: "He doesn't dispute that humans are warming the planet via CO2 emissions - he's just one of the few climate scientists who thinks that there's probably nothing to worry about." He agrees there's warming, just not that it's "catastrophic". Not surprising given he's a signatory to "Earth and its ecosystems – created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting". If you believe God is in charge of it all, of course you believe it'll be okay. Unfortunately, the things he's done scientifically have been rebutted again and again.

Nothing changes the facts and figures I posted, which explain all the snarks in Rap's article, and Rap is merely interpreting Spencer's remarks as "sarcasm"; there is no indication it is such. I agree with Nick that "Dr. Spencer had done some pretty great things in the area of using satellites to track global tempatures. It is to bad he allows his religous beliefs to hold him back." Spencer has no option but to believe what he does if he's convinced of "intelligent design", but that doesn't mean he's being sarcastic with that statement; absolutely nothing in that paragraph or any thereafter indicates he was. Rap wants it to be something it's not…he obviously got so tickled at what he thought was a story he could shove in people's faces that he's trying to make it something it's not.

Gawd forbid, of course, that he should read...much less ADDRESS, the answers provided by Magon's link; he'll just go on insisting "Is not ! Is not ! Is not !" until he's blue in the face. It's sad, but funny.


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Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:53 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

You think Roy Spencer is the only one who has a bias for things he wishes were true ?

No. But if 99 experts believe one thing, and one expert believes another, that lone expert is either brilliant, contrarian, or biased. I think we have our answer for this particular climate skeptic (and most of the others).

It's not personal. It's just war.



Or he's simply correct.

Just like Dr. Robert Bakker, whose " radical " view of warm blooded dinosaurs went against establishment thinking of the time.

Consensus. Science doesn't rely on it.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:14 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Nothing changes the facts and figures I posted, which explain all the snarks in Rap's article, and Rap is merely interpreting Spencer's remarks as "sarcasm"; there is no indication it is such.

Yeah duh! It's an obvious troll.

Get with it people.



*-------------------------------------------------------------*
MAL4PREZ: Clearly [The Rap]'s doing nothing but trolling now.
STORYMARK: And not even cleverly.
RAPPY: [My trolling] did its job, did it not? Easiest marks in the 'verse.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57146
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Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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The author, not Spencer, was who I was saying was being sarcastic.

Good grief, children. Get a clue .

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:25 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The author, not Spencer, was who I was saying was being sarcastic.

Good grief, children. Get a clue .



This post of yours was unclear...

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The author was being sarcastic. NOTHING, not even getting stuck in ice, will deter the AGW folks from seeing the truth.

And are you unfamiliar with Roy Spencer ?




Seems very much as if you are speaking about Dr. Spencer as if he was the author.

As far as the the author Debra Saunders i doubt very much she was being sacastic in the article. She is a senior fellow in bioethics at the Discovery Institute.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:34 AM

KPO

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Quote:

Or he's simply correct.


I gave that option, I said he might be 'brilliant'. But this scientist seems to be the kind that finds a way to believe what he wants to.


It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:31 PM

NIKI2

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My question is: If Rap goes on ranting and insisting that the article he posted means something, when every point it makes has been debunked,




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Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:32 PM

NIKI2

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...aaand, here comes the very first one:

Quote:

"Good grief, children. Get a clue ."


Raptor, 1/1/2014:
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My posting of FACT does not, in any realm, equate to being nasty or denigrating, in the least.




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Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:57 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
...aaand, here comes the very first one:

Quote:

"Good grief, children. Get a clue ."


Raptor, 1/1/2014:
Quote:

My posting of FACT does not, in any realm, equate to being nasty or denigrating, in the least.






In a thread where I'd been lied about & insulted by most here, I " finally " reply with the mildest of rebukes & Niki acts as if I'd done something abhorent .



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Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:08 PM

AURAPTOR

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M52 - read the gorram article I posted . I didn't spin any damn thing. If you don't like/ agree with the article, fine. But don't claim * I * am spinning anything. I'm not.

As for Spencer ---

Quote:

Does this incident mean that climate change is an illusion or a hoax? Of course not. Even during its summer, Antarctica is subject to extreme weather. "Bad weather is the norm in Antarctica," climatologist Roy Spencer observed.


Dr. Spencer's comment is in quotes. The author's words precede his. That's all in the article, not MY words.

Got it??

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:11 PM

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:15 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
M52 - read the gorram article I posted . I didn't spin any damn thing. If you don't like/ agree with the article, fine. But don't claim * I * am spinning anything. I'm not.



I never made the claim you spun anything. Simply said one of your posts was unclear.

I did read the article, and as I said it does not seem the author was being sarcastic. Disagreeing with you is not claiming you are spinning anything.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:32 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:





I think we should all limit our responses to the raptard to "fuck you" gifs such as this.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:14 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:





Heehee... One of my favorite Scrubs characters.

@ kpo - brilliance does not necessarily equate to being accurate.


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Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:03 PM

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:18 PM

M52NICKERSON

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I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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I dig the gifs, a bunch, but the misquoted profanity I can do with out. Little Ron Weasley and The Doctor ? Really people ?

Sad. So very sad.


BTW - anyone notice the really big WINTER STORM hitting the NE of the US right about now ?

Anyone ?
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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:35 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


So you still think any cold weather is a sign that climate change is imaginary.

Good luck with that one, science boy.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:37 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


The spin is taking a story, any story and making it political. I see it in almost every story that comes out of the US and its tedious beyond belief.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:40 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Here's the outcome of events, without the political commentary (from the Guardian - you might want to read, if you just want the facts for a change)

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A rescue mission to evacuate scientists, tourists and journalists from a ship trapped in ice off Antarctica has passed off smoothly, with 52 people removed from the stricken vessel.

A helicopter sent from the Chinese icebreaker Xue Long landed next to the trapped Akademik Shokalskiy on Thursday afternoon and the first group of passengers were evacuated shortly after 8pm local time (7am GMT). The passengers were taken off in five groups, with two further flights to pick up their baggage. Each flight took around 20 minutes each way.

Four expedition staff were the last to leave the trapped ship. The Russian crew will remain aboard to free the ship when the ice around it breaks up – possibly when there is a change in wind direction in a few days.
This picture, taken by the expedition doctor Andrew Peacock, shows a helicopter from the Xue Long This picture, taken by the expedition doctor Andrew Peacock, shows a helicopter from the Xue Long approach passengers from the Akademik Shokalskiy. Photograph: Andrew Peacock/AFP/Getty Images

The original plan had been to take the passengers to the Xue Long, but it was later decided to airlift them to an ice floe near the icebreaker Aurora Australis, which had tried but failed to break through to the trapped ship earlier this week.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA), which has been co-ordinating the rescue, tweeted: "Aurora Australis has advised AMSA that the 52 passengers from the Akademik Shokalskiy are now on board."

We've made it to the Aurora australis safe & sound. A huge thanks to the Chinese & @AusAntarctic for all their hard work! #spiritofmawson
— Chris Turney (@ProfChrisTurney) January 2, 2014

To the crew of Aurora Australis + Xue Long - heartfelt thanks from all on the Shokalskiy. We know how far out of your way you all went (1/2)
— Alok Jha (@alokjha) January 2, 2014

Expedition leader Prof Chris Turney tweeted: "We've made it to the Aurora australis safe & sound. A huge thanks to the Chinese & @AusAntarctic for all their hard work!"

The passengers were greeted on the Australian vessel with tea and coffee plus dinner. They will also have to get used to moving five time zones westwards because the Aurora australis is operating on west coast Australia time (Western Standard Time), rather than the New Zealand time zone.

Guardian journalist Alok Jha, who is one of the evacuees, tweeted: "To the crew of Aurora Australis and Xue Long – heartfelt thanks from all on the Shokalskiy. We know how far out of your way you all went."

AMSA released a statement at 12.45 pm on Thursday saying the safest option was to do the rescue mission in one operation. "AMSA understands that current sea ice conditions prevent the barge from Aurora Australis from reaching the Chinese vessel Xue Long (Snow Dragon) and a rescue may not be possible today," a spokeswoman said.

"The Xue Long's helicopter is unable to land on the Aurora Australis due to load rating restrictions. It is not safe to land the helicopter next to Aurora Australis at this time.

"The preferred and safest option at this stage is to ultimately transfer the passengers onto Aurora Australis."

Jha earlier said the mood was subdued but optimistic and people had kept themselves busy. "If there is any anger/upset etc I haven't seen any," he said in an email.

"I imagine some people have had private moments of anxiety or frustration but there's no feeling of threat or any worry about danger. No one seems scared."

The Akademik Shokalskiy became stuck in thick pack ice on Christmas Eve and the Aurora Australis and Xue Long, which are both icebreakers, had to abandon attempts to reach the trapped ship.

An attempt on New Year's Day to evacuate the passengers by helicopter was also abandoned because of heavy rain, strong winds and cloud.



Actually a nice feel good story about internation co-operation.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:46 PM

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The spin is taking a story, any story and making it political. I see it in almost every story that comes out of the US and its tedious beyond belief.



When the entire thrust behind AGW is itself nothing but political, how can you or anyone complain?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:56 PM

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Only this story isn't about climate change. Only you and your denier 'scientist' have spun it that way.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:07 PM

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Only this story isn't about climate change. Only you and your denier 'scientist' have spun it that way.



Only, it IS about AGW, as stated at the top of the page...

" Australian climate change professor Chris Turney's venture to retrace a 1912 research expedition in Antarctica and gauge how climate change has affected the continent: Two weeks into a five-week excursion, Turney's good ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy got trapped in ice. "

Your posting of the rescue... " Everyone got off the ship safely. They were treated to tea and dinner, then they thanked all who helped out " was real riveting. A truly great read.

*snore*

And I don't HAVE a denier 'scientist', so I have no clue of what you speak. The author of the article quoted Dr. Roy Spence, w/ regards to the issue of climate change. HE didn't spin anything. Nor have I.



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Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:26 PM

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Well believe it not, people are actually interested in a story about people being stuck in ice, about how the icebreakers were unable to get through and the subsequent rescue. It has kept us all sufficently interested without using fake science to back up an incorrect assumption.

ANd if you've read any of the stuff I posted which I doubt, cause I know you can only cope with soundbites and words of 3 letters or less, you'll note that the boat contained scientists, tourists and journalists. You do know that scientists regularly visit the Antartic, dont you?

The aim of the Shokalskiy was to recreact the steps of Douglas Mawson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Mawson

When it got stuck last week, the Shokalskiy was about two weeks into its month-long journey from Bluff, New Zealand, to Commonwealth Bay, East Antarctica, following in the footsteps of the Antarctic explorer and scientist Douglas Mawson.

Mawson led the original Australasian Antarctic expedition of 1911. The modern incarnation is intended to repeat his wildlife, ocean and weather observations in order to build a picture of how this part of the world has changed in the past 100 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australasian_Antarctic_Expedition

Which included studying climate, because you know scientists like to observe and record rather than getting their information from an imaginary sky fairy.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:39 PM

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Guess it didn't bother anyone that all those ships, burning all that fossil fuel, were sent to rescue that other ship, which was trapped in ICE, huh ?

Naw. Probably not.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:53 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Another example of YOUR spin on this story. Keep the examples coming, they just keep proving what I say.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:55 PM

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Another example of YOUR spin on this story. Keep the examples coming, they just keep proving what I say.



You forgot to add " in my mind ", at the end.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:02 PM

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And you wonder why you get accused of trolling....


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Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
And you wonder why you get accused of trolling....



Oh just ignore him for a while. We managed to pull that off once, and it was hilarious the lengths he went to get attention. Oh man, if I ever dig up those threads...

I suggest we create new ones LOL!


*-------------------------------------------------------------*
MAL4PREZ: Clearly [The Rap]'s doing nothing but trolling now.
STORYMARK: And not even cleverly.
RAPPY: [My trolling] did its job, did it not? Easiest marks in the 'verse.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57146
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Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:26 PM

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Yes indeed.

I've noticed that climate skeptics have softened over the past few years, from outright denial to 'it's happening but not as fast as predicted' and 'not entirely man made'.

I struggle with this... if the consensus is that climate change is happening, then shouldn't we prepare for the worst, change what we can if it isnt entirely man, and hope for the best. For me, changes such as reducing carbon emmissions and being less reliant on fossil fuels, reducing pollution in general and taking steps to preserve the environment are all win/win approaches to managing our most precious resource, the Earth. I don't understand this triumphantalist opposition to scientists who in the end are are just trying to record data and make sense of it.

My understanding is that the opposition is paid for by industries who have a vested interest in not making changes because those changes will affect their profit margins.

It seems super clear to me.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:00 PM

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Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Magons, Magons, Magons...



Try reminding yourself why he does what he does, and how much time it takes you to type out all that--NONE of which he pays any attention to, it only gives him an excuse to post something again...think about it.

"Oh just ignore him for a while. We managed to pull that off once, and it was hilarious the lengths he went to get attention." Why not try it and see what happens?


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Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:19 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Hey my last post wasn't troll feeding, thank you very much. I'm trying to bring some meaningful discussion to this silly thread.

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Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:56 PM

NIKI2

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Nope, but all the previous ones WERE--look at how much information you put up, at what valid points you made, and then look at every response from Rap. What else would you call it?



(I much appreciated the material you put up, by the way, but you just know Rap didn't read a word of it...his responses make that clear)

As to "My understanding is that the opposition is paid for by industries who have a vested interest in not making changes because those changes will affect their profit margins." Yes, that's well known...which is why Rap keeps repeating that global warming ITSELF is a "political scam"...perfect misdirection; accuse the other guy of doing what you are. But the truth is...



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Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:57 PM

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Yes indeed.

I've noticed that climate skeptics have softened over the past few years, from outright denial to 'it's happening but not as fast as predicted' and 'not entirely man made'.



Which is at least a far better move than out right changing their tune from 'global warming' to a more obscure, easily pliable 'climate change'.

Quote:


I struggle with this... if the consensus is that climate change is happening, then shouldn't we prepare for the worst, change what we can if it isnt entirely man, and hope for the best. For me, changes such as reducing carbon emmissions and being less reliant on fossil fuels, reducing pollution in general and taking steps to preserve the environment are all win/win approaches to managing our most precious resource, the Earth. I don't understand this triumphantalist opposition to scientists who in the end are are just trying to record data and make sense of it.



No. Not really. As so little ( if any ) of it is man caused, and there's next to nothing we CAN do to change it.

Wise, prudent use of our natural resources ? I'm all in on that. Sign me up.

Quote:


My understanding is that the opposition is paid for by industries who have a vested interest in not making changes because those changes will affect their profit margins.

It seems super clear to me.



And the likes of AlGore have a vested interest in making mountains of $ on a complete scam. While unlike those "evil" industries, all the AGW crowd folks do is take from produces, and give nothing back.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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