Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes by whozit

Keep the Shiny side up

So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

Also running on the fact she worked to fix it...so not running from Obamacare.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, January 17, 2014 8:57 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by Geezer:
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

Also running on the fact she worked to fix it...so not running from Obamacare.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Did I say she was running from Obamacare?

Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com.

If other things go wrong, like number of young 'invincibles' signing up not meeting expectations, or substantial numbers of small business workers' policies being cancelled, it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge, and work to fix, that as well.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, January 17, 2014 9:34 AM

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America loves a winner!

Why work to fix it ? It's flawed at the basic level. It can't be " fixed ". It must be repealed.

The Dems had their chance. They failed. They lied, and then failed, actually.

Should never trust a Demorat. Ever.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, January 17, 2014 5:27 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by Geezer:
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

Also running on the fact she worked to fix it...so not running from Obamacare.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Did I say she was running from Obamacare?

"running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster. "

Not in those literal words - but don't be such a punk - of course you did.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:52 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

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Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Geezer:
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

... because nothing spells 'non-partisan' quite like partisan gloating!

Yep, it deserves to be memorialized as one of the great - if inadvertent - well-aimed shots square in the foot. I think I'm going to add it to my sig line.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:21 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Geezer:
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

It also proves they're a bunch of phoneys.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:44 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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Did I say she was running from Obamacare?

"running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster. "

Not in those literal words - but don't be such a punk - of course you did.

Um. Per the cited article she was running on the failure of the Healthcare.gov rollout.

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In the TV spot, the Democratic political action committee House Majority PAC highlights Arizona congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick’s criticism of the bungled HealthCare.gov website. Kirkpatrick is a vulnerable Democrat running for reelection in November.

The ad opens by praising her for blowing the whistle on the “disastrous healthcare website.” In Congress, Kirkpatrick has taken steps to distance herself from the embattled health-care law. In November, for example, she was one of 39 Democrats to support Fred Upton’s bill, which would have allowed individuals renew their health-care plans after the law’s regulations required insurance companies to cancel them.

Didn't read the article, did you?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:54 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
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Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Geezer:
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.
... because nothing spells 'non-partisan' quite like partisan gloating!

I'm vindicated because these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address - that(as I've seen saying for a while) the Healthcare.gov site rollout was badly botched due to mismanagement, crappy project planning and development, shifting requirements, lack of oversight, poor or no testing, and pretty much everything else that could go wrong with an IT project.

You, I assume, believe that Healthcare.gov worked exactly as planned from Oct. 01. Right?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:06 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

If you were non-partisan and were ONLY discussing the rollout, it wouldn't matter to you what party people belonged to when they commented. And yet, here you are, admitting that the ONLY reason you feel vindicated is b/c it's DEMOCRATS who are saying it. But you are so deeply into your partisanship, I don't expect you'll understand that.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address ..."

As for your straw-man argument, which I thought I'd address separately, you've failed in ways you castigate other people for:

1) You've failed to show that the argument you CLAIM other people are making/ have made is the argument they actually made, with quotes, cites, and links, of their full statements, in context

2) You've failed to show that THIS argument rebuts their ACTUAL statements with logical analysis of their original statements linked to these purported rebuttals

But you're so used to your straw-man arguments that don't address what people are actually posting, and to your double standards (you don't hold yourself to anywhere close to the standard you demand OTHER people meet) I don't expect you to understand that either.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:45 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If you were non-partisan and were ONLY discussing the rollout, it wouldn't matter to you what party people belonged to when they commented. But you are so deeply into your partisanship, I don't expect you'll understand that.

Kiki. The article cited isn't about the rollout, it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads.

I'm pleased that they overlook party politics, and acknowledge that the rollout was a disaster.

Anything else is purely the product of your imagination, as I'm sure much of the rest of your life is.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:54 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And there is Geezer, not addressing the point except with snark.

Way to go. So here is my answer about YOU, Geezer.....

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:10 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And there is Geezer, not addressing the point except with snark.

Well, after pointing out that the article is about Democrats running for office on criticism of the failed rollout of Healthcare.gov, and pointing out that I had been criticizing the failed rollout of Healthcare.gov for some time, it seems that I covered the point (that the Healthcare.gov rollout failed, and now that's being verified even by Democrats) pretty well.

If Kiki doesn't recognize that a lot of democrats have consistently ignored or diminished the failure of the Healthcare.gov rollout, that's Kiki's problem.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:55 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

the ad (text)
It’s here, in small towns and wide-open places that Ann Kirkpatrick listens and learns. It’s why she blew the whistle on the disastrous health care website, calling it ‘stunning ineptitude,’ and worked to fix it. She fought to hold insurance companies accountable, so they can't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions or drop coverage when you get sick. Ann Kirkpatrick - seeing what's wrong, doing what's right.

the magazine cover
The president yesterday finally admitted what everyone in America already knew: ObamaCare is a total and unmitigated DISASTER

the title
Dem Super PAC Slams Obamacare in Ad

the article
A new ad from a Democratic super PAC indicates that, despite the claims of Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and others, at least some Democrats are wary of embracing Obamacare in upcoming midterm elections.

In the TV spot, the Democratic political action committee House Majority PAC highlights Arizona congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick’s criticism of the bungled HealthCare.gov website. Kirkpatrick is a vulnerable Democrat running for reelection in November.

The ad opens by praising her for blowing the whistle on the “disastrous healthcare website.” In Congress, Kirkpatrick has taken steps to distance herself from the embattled health-care law. In November, for example, she was one of 39 Democrats to support Fred Upton’s bill, which would have allowed individuals renew their health-care plans after the law’s regulations required insurance companies to cancel them.

The Cook Political Report currently rates Kirkpatrick’s seat as one of 11 Democratic toss-ups.

your posts

So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

Um. Per the cited article she was running on the failure of the Healthcare.gov rollout.
Didn't read the article, did you?

I'm vindicated because these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address - that(as I've seen saying for a while) the Healthcare.gov site rollout was badly botched due to mismanagement, crappy project planning and development, shifting requirements, lack of oversight, poor or no testing, and pretty much everything else that could go wrong with an IT project.
You, I assume, believe that Healthcare.gov worked exactly as planned from Oct. 01. Right?

Kiki. The article cited isn't about the rollout, it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads.
I'm pleased that they overlook party politics, and acknowledge that the rollout was a disaster.
Anything else is purely the product of your imagination, as I'm sure much of the rest of your life is.

So you see, you seem to have scrambled your arguments like an omelette. The ad doesn't call the ACA itself an unmitigated disaster, nor does it call the original website that, though it does use the term disastrous. The title of the article uses the words SLAMS and applies it to the whole ACA, as in 'Dem Super PAC Slams Obamacare in Ad' (a severe misrepresentation of the ad). The text of the article itself uses mild terms like 'wary' and 'distance', but then mixes together claims about the ad itself and claims about the entire ACA. And then the cover makes the most extreme claims 'everyone in America already knew: ObamaCare is a total and unmitigated DISASTER' - the phrase UNMITIGATED DISASTER from the cover is the phrase you picked up on.

So, did her ad claim that the rollout was an UNMITIGATED disaster? No, it didn't. And your claim that it did? Not true.

"So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster." "Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads"

And your repeated focus on DEMOCRATS is a non-partisan - how again?

"You, I assume, believe that Healthcare.gov worked exactly as planned from Oct. 01. Right?"
Apparently you either didn't read or understand my criticism of the rollout, and my expanded criticism of how it reflects a larger pattern in Obama's administration. So, whatever. With your straw-man argument, you've failed to have a point, yet again.

"The article cited isn't about the rollout, it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads."
But you're the one who can't stick to the point you claim you're trying to make.

You make it about anything BUT the campaigns

here: Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com (no mention of campaigns)

here: If other things go wrong, like number of young 'invincibles' signing up not meeting expectations, or substantial numbers of small business workers' policies being cancelled, it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge, and work to fix, that as well.

here: I'm vindicated because these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address

here: You, I assume, believe that Healthcare.gov worked exactly as planned from Oct. 01. Right?

So, are these arguments NOT ABOUT CAMPAIGNS purely a product of my imagination? Again. Whatever.

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As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
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The term applies

And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:06 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

What's strangest of all, for me, is this:

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I'm vindicated because these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address - that(as I've seen saying for a while) the Healthcare.gov site rollout was badly botched due to mismanagement, crappy project planning and development, shifting requirements, lack of oversight, poor or no testing, and pretty much everything else that could go wrong with an IT project.
You, I assume, believe that Healthcare.gov worked exactly as planned from Oct. 01. Right?

Has there actually been anyone here--or anywhere else--who has NOT said the roll-out was an unmitigated disaster? Who are these people he's talking about? Because I've not seen a single person/article/newscaster/anything who hasn't agreed the roll-out was a total mess...???

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:08 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Because I've not seen a single person/article/newscaster/anything who hasn't agreed the roll-out was a total mess...???

Including Obama himself.

So, why is this thread still going? Please....

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 3:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's going b/c Geezer used it as a forum to post partisan hackery in support of more partisan hackery. I'm just detailing for him exactly how he's a partisan hack.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 4:04 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Okie dokie! Point made. Carry on.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Geezer:

that's Kiki's problem.

That seems to be par for the course here.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:08 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Because I've not seen a single person/article/newscaster/anything who hasn't agreed the roll-out was a total mess...???
Including Obama himself.

So, why is this thread still going? Please....

Using your logic, I could say that it's because the liberals here haven't all agreed, in all of the threads criticizing the Healthcare.gov rollout, that it was a failure.

After all, since I didn't excoriate the Patriot Act in absolutely every thread about it, I apparently love it.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:27 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"After all, since I didn't excoriate the Patriot Act in absolutely every thread about it ..."

Not even one thread. Not even once

Are you addicted to strawman arguments? Addictions aren't healthy. You might consider getting treatment for that.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:33 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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After all, since I didn't excoriate the Patriot Act in absolutely every thread about it, I apparently love it.

You apparently can't some up with any quotes where you disagreed with the Patriot Act. I found a single qualified disagreement with "some" provisions (btw- you're welcome), although right now you can't even describe what those provisions were or why you disagreed with them. (And, I even asked you to, so it's not like the point slipped past w/o your awareness) So, based on all that, I would say that you apparently agree with most of it.

As I've mentioned in several threads already, it is impossible to "prove" a hypothesis, because it can't be universally tested, leaving open the possibility that the hypothesis will fail in untested circumstances. It is possible, however, to DISprove a hypothesis, because one single contrary instance can cause a hypothesis to fail. So, here's my hypothesis: Geezer supports the bulk of the Patriot Act.

Now, your mission, geezer, is to come up with a single quote (Not a quote from absolutely every thread on the topic- just one) from your past where you express broad disagreement with the Patriot Act. Do that, and you will have disproved my idea. As long as you cannot disprove the hypothesis, however, it stands. And remember, it's up to you to disprove my hypothesis, not up to me to disprove it for you.

Since this thread has never really risen above "troll" level... that includes you, geezer... goodbye.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:20 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Using your logic, I could say that it's because the liberals here haven't all agreed, in all of the threads criticizing the Healthcare.gov rollout, that it was a failure.

That's Rap-worthy, Geezer has truly sunk to new depths. I repeat: NOBODY, as far as I can recall, EVER said the federal roll-out was anything but a disaster. I've not seen any article anywhere arguing it was, I've not heard any news person, reporter, or commentator say it was; I've never seen ANYONE arguing the roll-out was anything but a mess. This thread takes Geezer into troll country.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:16 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

NIKI- indeed.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:21 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, I don't assume he'll come back to this thread to try and explain himself, especially as there IS no explanation, his statement was 100% fallacious, so any further attempts at communication are just feeding trolling.

So at this point I figure

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:30 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Wow, where DO you get those pictures??? My DD and I love them!

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Monday, January 20, 2014 11:39 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You apparently can't some up with any quotes where you disagreed with the Patriot Act.

"I also know that the reports of possible al Qaeda actions are just one of many possible threat reports that the President and government get daily. Suppose the government took the actions you suggest for all of them? You think stuff like renditions and the Patriot Act are bad now? Would you like many more folks at Gitmo, or many more drone strikes?"

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Monday, January 20, 2014 12:30 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

A rhetorical question, not a statement. You are using the reader's presumed opinion in an if-then argument, not voicing one of your own (If YOU think the Patriot Act is bad now, then it will get worse if the government follows your prescription for action.) I went and read your entire post to make sure that I got the context, and I don't feel that I'm weaseling out of this, you just seem incapable of voicing a clear opinion on this issue. The only thing I got out of your post was that you seemed to be arguing rather strenuously against securing airplane cockpits and having Federal marshals onboard airplanes, not a post against the Patriot Act per se.

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Monday, January 20, 2014 12:35 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I got a million of 'em, Sig; saving 'em to doll out a bit at a time. Just googled a bunch of stuff "troll gif", "don't feed the troll", "internet troll", stuff like that, and wandered the "images" sections. Some of 'em I made myself (remembering my desktop publishing background and my love of emoticons and animation), some I got off what I googled and played with 'em. That one was straight off the internet...not a think I could do to it to make it better!

So Geezer has decided not to address his totally fallacious statement, and instead found a quote where he said something negative about the Patriot Act. From reading, it looks like that might be the "single qualified disagreement with "some" provisions" that you mentioned, but it's irrelevant. It in no way addresses the fact that NOBODY has said the roll out of the ACA was anything but an unmitigated disaster, so I'm still waiting for him to address that statement…well, not "waiting", 'cuz I know he never will, just still amazed he even made it, and still consider it dipping straight into troll territory. Y'know...

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Monday, January 20, 2014 12:43 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

In the hypothesis-testing mode, the hypothesis must be framed so that it can be disproved. If we make the hypothesis that "Democrats all said that the healthcare rollout was a disaster" then a single example of a Democrat defending the rollout would be enough to disprove the hypothesis.

AFA Geezer and the Patriot Act, the statement didn't clearly demonstrate that Geezer was personally against the Patriot Act, just that he thought some of his readers might be. Yanno, rhetorical judo: trying to use the other person's own opinions against them. Maybe he was ALSO against the Patriot Act, but that wasn't clear from his post.

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Monday, January 20, 2014 12:47 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I wouldn't try to guess what Geezer did or didn't think, so I won't address that.

But does anyone even have a single example of any "Democrat", or anyone else, claiming the rollout was NOT a disaster? I know I, and I believe one or two others, offered some of the mitigating factors as to WHY it was a disaster, but I truly don't recall anyone ever arguing that it wasn't one. That, to me, is what took it into troll territory. It truly was worthy of something Rap would put forth to try and turn the conversation to his favor, not even noticing or caring that the statement was 100% false and provably so. Trolling.

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Monday, January 20, 2014 1:14 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, then the hypothesis stands until someone can offer evidence against it. And yes, it was trollish.

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Monday, January 20, 2014 2:41 PM