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Fox News proves that Americans don't know their history

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Friday, January 17, 2014 11:18 AM

ELVISCHRIST




"They don’t even know why some guy in Boston got his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea. Most people don’t know that."


That comes from one of the hosts of "The Five", one of Fox News's slate of "infotainment" or "news lite" programs.

In so saying, she proved her point, since she got pretty much every aspect of the story wrong. Surprised?



http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/16/andrea-tan
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Friday, January 17, 2014 1:08 PM

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Context. This story is missing it.

Maybe she's confused, & doesn't know what she's talking about . Maybe she poorly made her point.

This thread is silly, regardless.

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Friday, January 17, 2014 1:16 PM

STORYMARK


With only the right context, her total fabrication is right!

Except it's still bullshit. Just like feeble efforts to defend it.




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Friday, January 17, 2014 4:26 PM

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Not defending , just asking for clarity.

Seems that annoys some here.

*ETA -"If you ask most people, they don’t even know why we left England," she said. "They don’t even know why some guy in Boston got his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea. Most people don’t know that."

I bet she's right about that last part. Most DON'T know that. I sure didn't know that. Not sure wtf she's talking about, but I do know one thing...

I'd still love to butter her muffin.



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Friday, January 17, 2014 6:49 PM

NIKI2

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Of course Raptor wouldn't bother to read the article in question, and since neither she nor FauxNews would bother to clarify, nobody can know exactly what she DID mean ("Neither Tantaros nor Fox News responded to our request for clarification"). But Politifact tried to check it out as best they could:
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"If you ask most people, they don’t even know why we left England," she said. "They don’t even know why some guy in Boston got his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea. Most people don’t know that."

We can’t fact-check what Americans do or do not know. But what’s clear is there appears to be no story of "some guy in Boston" getting "his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea."

Early American history experts were generally puzzled over what Tantaros was talking about and thought she might have mashed a few Revolutionary War-era stories together.

But our experts were certain on a couple of things:

1. No one secretly tried to raise the tax on tea. In 1767, The British parliament imposed a series of duties on goods being imported to the colonies -- including on tea. The laws implementing the tariffs are called the Townshend Acts, after Charles Townshend, who came up with the idea.

Many prominent colonists objected, arguing that under British law colonists could not be taxed without having representation in parliament.

All of the tariffs were repealed in 1770, except the tariff on tea.

The 1773 Tea Act, which spawned the Boston Tea Party (and more than 200 years later was part of the inspiration for the tea party political movement), did not increase taxes on tea, said University of North Texas associate professor Guy Chet.

What it did, essentially, was create a tax break for the British-held East India Company that would allow it to sell tea cheaper in America than anyone else (even cheaper than tea smuggled into the colonies). Colonists refused the ploy to prop up the East India Company and legitimize British colonial rule, and boarded the first tea ships in Boston and dumped the tea overboard.

"The Tea Act is routinely and understandably (but incorrectly) lumped in with these other other laws that did raise taxes," said Chet, author of Conquering the American Wilderness: The Triumph of European Warfare in Colonial New England.

Point being: No secret, and no direct effort to increase the tax.

2. The man who tried to tax tea on colonists wasn’t in Boston when he died. If you had to identify one person as the tax on tea guy, it’d be Townshend, who was chancellor of the Exchequer. But he didn’t die in the colonies and certainly didn’t have his head blown off.

Townshend barely lived past the passing of the Townshend Acts. He died Sept. 4, 1767, of a "putrid fever."

"I don't know what Tantaros is talking about. Sounds like bunk to me," said Benjamin L. Carp, an associate professor of early American history at Tufts University and author of Defiance of the Patriots: The Boston Tea Party and the Making of America.

"No one in British North America tried secretly to raise the tax on tea, much less get his head blown off for the attempt," said Samuel A. Forman, who blogs about revolutionary history and wrote Dr. Joseph Warren: The Boston Tea Party, Bunker Hill, and the Birth of American Liberty.

3. It’s hard to say who "got his head blown off," if anyone. Forman speculated that Tantaros may have been talking about Joseph Warren, who was president of the Massachusetts Provincial Congress. Warren was killed at the early Revolutionary War battle of Bunker Hill on June 17, 1775. He was shot in the head, "dying heroically at the climax of the battle," Forman said. (History buffs can watch a video of Forman describing Warren’s injuries.)

Chet said Tantaro may have been referencing violence against British customs officers attempting to enforce existing taxes on tea.

"Just as a matter of ballistics, it'd be pretty difficult to blow someone's head off with 18th century weaponry unless you were using artillery," Carp said. "Although maybe you could do the trick with small arms; you'd have to ask a weapons expert."

Our ruling

Tantaros, in lamenting Americans’ knowledge of U.S. history, said, "Some guy in Boston got his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea."

No one got their head blown off for that reason, and no one secretly tried to raise the tax on tea. The British government imposed duties on a number of goods in 1767, including tea. The 1773 Tea Act actually would have made tea cheaper for colonists, though it would have done so by propping up the British-held East India Company.

The man responsible for the original tax died of a fever in Britain.

Tantaros appeared to be trying to make the point that Americans -- who live in a country that is less economically free, according to one report -- forget what the lack of freedom feels like. That position may or may not be supported by their lack of knowledge of the lead-up to the Revolutionary War. But it’s not supported by her version of history because it did not happen.

We rate her claim Pants on Fire! http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/16/andrea-tan
taros/tantaros-says-americans-dont-know-their-history-th
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Whatever the hell she was talking about, it obviously had no connection to any American history. There's nothing "silly" about the fact that FauxNews puts out things which are untrue, which, as we've seen over and over, their audience eats up as "fact" and runs with. Any "news" organization that claims to be such should be held accountable...which of course they don't want to be, especially given they went to court for the RIGHT to lie about the news.



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Friday, January 17, 2014 6:56 PM

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Whatever the hell she was talking about, it obviously had no connection to any American history. There's nothing "silly" about the fact that FauxNews puts out things which are untrue, which, as we've seen over and over, their audience eats up as "fact" and runs with. Any "news" organization that claims to be such should be held accountable...which of course they don't want to be, especially given they went to court for the RIGHT to lie about the news.


Fact is, I DID read the article, but glossed over the comments by the pointed headed historians, as I don't know the context in which she was talking, it just seemed like filler for the story.

FOX News didn't put anything out here, Niki, as Tantaros made her own comments, on The Five, a live t.v. show. Her remarks had nothing to do with FOX NEWS. She's not a anchor or reporter, so your comments are ridiculous.

Per usual.

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Friday, January 17, 2014 7:19 PM

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The troll read, it just didn't pay attention to details so it could complain.

And its not Fox News, because she's just a person employed by Fox News, for a Fox News Program, which airs of Fox News. But since the anthropomorphic living entity of Fox News didn't literally say it....

God damn, there's are dumb fucking defenses, and then there's our local fart.




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Friday, January 17, 2014 8:49 PM

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Storybook, you truly are 1 god damn stupid mother fucker.

I didn't bother w/the histrionics because it was irrelevant to the issue on specifically what Andrea was talking about ON THE SHOW. Ever seen it ? They talk one after another, and often over each other, so it very well COULD be that she was misquoted. Hell, the Left always loves to do that to Limbaugh and others, so I feel no reason to jump to conclusions on this issue.

ALSO, FOX has both NEWS programming and COMMENTARY programming. The Five isn't a NEWS program.

18 years later, and you're still not clued into this concept, huh?

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:09 AM

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:09 AM

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Well, Mark, you know those "pointed headed historians" are like the other "elites", scientists, educators; why bother with anything they say? That's how it is now...they all get dismissed over whatever the talking heads on FauxNews say, 'cuz they know it all.

Actually funnier than shit, that she was talking about Americans being mentally lazy and not knowing their history, then points out they don't know something about history which didn't even happen. That's sort of the point of the article, which of course Rap missed entirely.


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Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:33 AM

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Niki - Did you SEE the show ? Watch the entire segment ? Or are you simply going on what others said happened ?

What the historians said isn't germane to the issue unless we know the full context of what Andrea was saying.

Having not seen the video, I honestly and openly admit I don't. Do YOU ? Or do you just get all your FOX stuff , filtered through mediamatters, and proceed to " know it all " yourself ?

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:22 AM

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I have not seen the show on Faux News, but I don't need to. The mere fact that she states that Americans don't know their history, which is a generalization, is pretty much true - the ironical part is that she proceeds to prove her own point by misstating the facts.

Brilliant!

Leave it to the "minds" at Faux to come up with that brain-fart malfunction. The making up of historical documents does not fall to Hollywood alone. Just so you know, Rapster, I do watch Faux News from time to time (I get a sick chuckle from their "reporting" of the news). It's pretty much like watching a train wreck, you just can't look away.


SGG


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Well, Mark, you know those "pointed headed historians" are like the other "elites", scientists, educators; why bother with anything they say? That's how it is now...they all get dismissed over whatever the talking heads on FauxNews say, 'cuz they know it all.

Actually funnier than shit, that she was talking about Americans being mentally lazy and not knowing their history, then points out they don't know something about history which didn't even happen. That's sort of the point of the article, which of course Rap missed entirely.



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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:24 AM

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Anyone who perpetually uses the term ' Faux ' when referring to FOX, isn't to be taken too seriously.

I've never seen 'Faux' News. No where on my t.v. can it be found. There is no listing for Faux, anywhere.

As for FOX NEWS, Catherine Herridge, Brit Hume, Chris Wallace... the actual NEWS side of the network, are about as solid and professional reporters as you'll find - anywhere. When I speak of Fox NEWS, that's who I'm referring, not the Bob Beckel, Bill O'Reilly, or Geraldo Rivera types.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:44 AM

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Atleast she didn't do the 2012 election results drunk like Diane Sawyer did.

Atleast she didn't mock Mitt Romney's black grandchild like Perry did.

She made a mistake, atleast she isn't a drunken bigot


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Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:19 PM

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I can't figure out what Rap is trying to do with this...he seems to be saying that somehow the woman either didn't say what she did, or there was more "context" needed to explain what she said. That isn't logical; she said what she said.
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Tantaros and other The Five panelists were talking about a new report from the conservative Heritage Foundation. Tantaros said countries ahead of the United States, like Estonia, are more economically free because they "actually know their history, and they study their history, and they study ours and what we’re doing here."

Americans, on the other hand, have gotten lazy and complacent, she suggested.

"If you ask most people, they don’t even know why we left England," she said. "They don’t even know why some guy in Boston got his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea. Most people don’t know that." http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/16/andrea-tan
taros/tantaros-says-americans-dont-know-their-history-th
/


Here's a fuller quote:
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I do trust this poll. I believe this poll. You know, the countries that you mentioned, also the thing that separates them from us is they actually know their history and they study their history, and they study ours and what we’re doing here. And it was also not too long ago that they were suffering at the hands of socialism and communism.

I think the biggest thing that hurts this country is we don’t teach history. If you ask most people, they don’t know why we left England. They don’t even know why some guy in Boston had his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea. Most people don’t know that. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/01/17/punditfa
ct-fox-newser-andrea-tantaross-pants-on-fire
/


What further context is necessary? They were discussing Americans being too lazy to know history, she stated a supposed historical fact Americans don't know, and actual historians pointed out that no such thing ever happened. Given it was a discussion about Americans being too "lazy and complacent" to study history, her stating something which ISN'T part of American history, as if it were, is the relevant point.

We call it FauxNews because they have been shown over and over to slant "news", fake "news" and lie outright...I assume Rap knows what the word "faux" means. Fox actually LITIGATED their RIGHT to LIE about the NEWS, and won, so now they can say whatever they want, claim it's "news" even when it's an outright lie. Faux. Fake. Simple as that. Of course, he didn't need it explained, he knows full well what it means, he's just throwing a hissy fit.

It's relevant because of all the studies that have shown over and over that people who look to FauxNews for their information are MISINFORMED; this is a prime example of it.


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Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:59 PM

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I can't figure out what Rap is trying to do with this...he seems to be saying that somehow the woman either didn't say what she did, or there was more "context" needed to explain what she said. That isn't logical; she said what she said.


Maybe. And I never doubted that. But it's ALSO possible she said what she said, in the context of something else prior to her comment.

I don't " KNOW " that, so I'm reserving judgement. That's all.

As I stated, if she's saying no one knew that some guy got his head shot off for trying to place a secret tax on tea, then she's right. I didn't know that ! I don't know WHO knew that !

She's probably wrong, of course. Seems like an odd thing to blurt out, unless we know... THE FULL CONTEXT OF HER MEANING!

Seriously, why do some make a federal crime out of THE smallest matters ?

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:37 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You normally don't 'reserve judgement' if it something that a democrat or liberal has allegedly done.

Why not just admit it was a stupid thing to say.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:44 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You normally don't 'reserve judgement' if it something that a democrat or liberal has allegedly done.



Because normally when they say something, it's asinine and stupid.

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Why not just admit it was a stupid thing to say.



Already have, if meant it as it's claimed she said it.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:48 PM

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:21 PM

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Because normally when they say something, it's asinine and stupid.




So that would mean that your sole criteria for determining whether what someone says is rubbish or not, is where they are on the political spectrum, not through evidence or facts or anything like that.

Yep, I think that sums you up perfectly.

Fox News/Right winged commentator - accept version of truth without need for verification
Left wing commentator - dispute claims without need for verification.

Very sloppy.


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Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

So that would mean that your sole criteria for determining whether what someone says is rubbish or not, is where they are on the political spectrum, not through evidence or facts or anything like that.



Nope. Re-read what I posted. I said ' normally '. If the Leftie is talking matters of politics or policy, it often is asinine or stupid. If they're saying the sun rises in the East, or some such, I don't discount it simply because of where they fall on the political spectrum.

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Yep, I think that sums you up perfectly.



More accurately, it sums up your false perception of me perfectly.

Quote:



Fox News/Right winged commentator - accept version of truth without need for verification.

Left wing commentator - dispute claims without need for verification.

Very sloppy.





Yeah, you're way off base on that, but thanks for playing.

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Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:07 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Nope. Re-read what I posted. I said ' normally '. If the Leftie is talking matters of politics or policy, it often is asinine or stupid. If they're saying the sun rises in the East, or some such, I don't discount it simply because of where they fall on the political spectrum.




I did read what you wrote. You have clearly given this woman the benefit of the doubt, you say because you don't know the context. I can't imagine what context would make her look anything less than someone who knows less about US history than even I do. But nevertheless, you are reserving judgement, something you don't 'normally' do with someone from the Left. Therefore someone's political allegiance changes how much you scrutinise what they say.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:39 AM

ELVISCHRIST


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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That isn't logical; she said what she said.


Maybe.





Nuff said.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: But nevertheless, you are reserving judgement, something you don't 'normally' do with someone from the Left. Therefore someone's political allegiance changes how much you scrutinise what they say.


I'm reserving judgement because I didn't hear the full segment, and I've heard Andrea talk a fair bit ( when she actually did her radio show ) and it seems curious that she'd bring up such a specific example with out some sort of context. Maybe she's thinking of something else, maybe she's just flat out wrong. I dunno.

At least she's not wearing tampons for earrings.



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Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:13 AM

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My bad for responding more than once. ;o)


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Monday, January 20, 2014 11:45 PM

ELVISCHRIST


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Storybook, you truly are 1 god damn stupid mother fucker.




"Text book definition of a troll. Right here. Going out of ones way NOT to reply to topic, and instead adding meaningless animosity to thread."

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:20 AM

STORYMARK


Being called stupid by one who is wrong about virtually everything it says is a badge of honor.

Note that for all its whining about context, it doesn't actually seek it out - it knows there is no context that would make what she said less stupid, but if it actually looked at the full conversation, it wouldn't be able to bitch about us ignoring the context.

Just a sad little thing, is is.




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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:34 PM

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It's okay Marky.
Remember, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
Now why don't you do some coloring?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:19 PM

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
It's okay Marky.
Remember, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.



Apparently, you can't even read your own posts. I knew your reading skills sucked, but damn, son. Seek help.

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Now why don't you do some coloring?



Because Im a grown up with a life to live. Not everyone's life is as empty and pathetic as yours.

Though now that you mention it, it has been a while since I took out the oil paints. They require a touch more skill than your crayons, though - so you best not try.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:04 PM

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America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Being called stupid by one who is wrong about virtually everything it says is a badge of honor.

Note that for all its whining about context, it doesn't actually seek it out - it knows there is no context that would make what she said less stupid, but if it actually looked at the full conversation, it wouldn't be able to bitch about us ignoring the context.

Just a sad little thing, is is.





Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.


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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:32 PM

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America loves a winner!




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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