Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
You are mislabeling disorganization az 'complex'.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
There are not 40 fonemez.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
Here:[url] http://www.unifon.org/images/UNIFON%20Eye%20Chart.pdf]

This iz the next best system to Nooalf. It's based on the suppozed 40 soundz uv English. Print it and study it for a day. Try riting a few paragrafs. I believe that even you will be able to find the superfluous letter/soundz.

---

Quote:

---

The vast majority of word spelling fall into some rule or the other.

---

Quote:

---

In your opinion, which has been shown to be wrong. I can offer citation after citation on this. You claim regarding this has been debunked regardless of if you like it or not.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
Theres a substantiv claim. Back it up. Lets see at least 10 rules rite here that can gide sumwun in spelling or pronouncing an unfamiliar word.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
So how many soundz are there? Unifon sez 40, Many IPA based charts say 44, the ITA haz 48.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Here is 28.

http://www.riggsinst.org/28rules.aspx]

Not bad, considering the circumstansez. A little mistake, however, iz that thoze are actually obzervationz, not rulez.

Anyway, duz it not seem juuuuust a little silly to you that there woud suppozedly be by dezine 28 'rulez' for working with 26 letterz just to avoid adding 8 or 9 more letterz.

Good website! You shoud study it more, especially theze charts: [url] http://www.riggsinst.org/assess.aspx]

Quote:

---

How many, at least 40. Or more than you have...
From the IPA which as you point out has 44 sounds. Since yours has 34 some our oviously missing. Here are 3.

away, cinema

turn, learn

she, crash

---

U, R, s

Sins you apparently thought thoze were actual missing soundz frum Nooalf, you certainly havent notice the small black letterz next to the blue Nooalf letterz on the chart. Thoze are the standard keyboard equivelent letterz, so the lower case s = the sh sound.

Try harder. MUCH harder.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
Not bad, considering the circumstansez. A little mistake, however, iz that thoze are actually obzervationz, not rulez.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
Anyway, duz it not seem juuuuust a little silly to you that there woud suppozedly be by dezine 28 'rulez' for working with 26 letterz just to avoid adding 8 or 9 more letterz.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
U, R, s

Sins you apparently thought thoze were actual missing soundz frum Nooalf, you certainly havent notice the small black letterz next to the blue Nooalf letterz on the chart. Thoze are the standard keyboard equivelent letterz, so the lower case s = the sh sound.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

I will give you the "s". That than means you are missing the s sound in pleasure, vision.

---

Quote:

---

Your U and R are not equivalent to the "a" sound in away, cinema or the "ur" sound in turn, learn.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
Yes, they are. You hav a mistaken notion that fonemez are precise, invariable soundz that are clearly described by the IPA system. Actual linguists will tell you otherwize. If you lissin closely to any talking anywhere you may be able to hear all the adjustments, shortcuts, abbreviationz, substitutionz going on, even from the finest speakerz.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:There are possibly hundredz uv 'soundz' but wut we hear are definable ranjez, so the question bekumz wut ranjez are heard az particular fonemez, then wich wunz differentiate wordz.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:The real reazon you will not read the LoJIK paje iz the fear that you will be able to read it and the cement in your head will crumble away.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
They are missing, you tin eared dolt. If you say they are not missing what sounds on the IPA chart are unneeded or repeated?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
1. 'loch' iz certainly a sound worthy of a letter, but its not really English, especially not American.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:2. 'ng' like in thing and pink is well within the 'n' range we hear. If linguists are discussing detailz uv speech, yes, having a letter for it iz handy, but for everybody else, the distiction iz useless. We dont need to know how a sound iz formed.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:4. hw like in what. Obviously to anybody with a complete brain, this iz 2 soundz and obviously, left to rite order iz being violated in all the wordz that hav this. If you ever paid any attention, you also woud hav noticed that most people dont say the H.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:5. father, palm. No difference from off, on loss; at least not in American and even in some British dialects you woudnt notice any difference in regular speech. There are zero word distinctions no matter wut dialect.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:6. comma, about. The so called 'schwa' iz U like in up, dump, ugly chump. The use uv A in spelling seemz to mislead people into believing its sumthing else. With a decent music editing program, you can clip the sound out uv theze wordz and plug them into the alternately spelled wordz and hear for yourself, O great golden eared wun.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:7. spotted? They hav a lower case i with a horizontal line thru the middle. I'm gesssing its the 'shwi' I'v seen sum blathering about over the last 10 yirz. Another mistake based on spelling.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:8.city, fleece, meat. They have i and i: for theze 3. Wake up. E iz E.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:9. burn, winner. they hav 2 different digrafs for this. Altho I hav to giv credit for them finally figuring out that R iz a vowel, they failed to distinguish the 2 formz with the sample wrdz here and in the consonant section. Not that you hav a chance uv understanding this.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:10. cute, yew. They uze ju: for this. Now this I woud expect even you to be able to hear iz 2 soundz Y like in yes and OO like in moon. C'mon! seriously, you cant?!

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:11. boy, hoist. Same here! O and E ! 2 soundz.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:12. now, trout. And here! o and W ! they are using digraphs for theze, so I think maybe they realize its 2 soundz, but then wuz up with the chart?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 are all clear demonstrationz that R confuzez the krap out uv the linguist's il concieved lojik.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:So we hav 52+ minus 19. Let me get a calculator.
Hmm. its showing 33. A minimum number.

Seriously, thats odd. Since I didnt take away the au sound, it shoud be 35, like on the newer Nooalf chart that haz it az an auxiliary sound on the back. O well. Chok it up to the disorganization. Maybe you, Mr. Super Linguistic Genius, who haz been picking apart my arguments here can figure it out.

Good luck trying to reinstate at least 7 soundz.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
Thats the problem with the entire way you think. You base everything on authority.

I'm trying to rescue a fellow browncoat, but you are so brainwashed by the system, you run away from anything that looks like it mite damaj the sement in your brain.

Pity the victim.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
No. Youv draqged the major points out uv me here alredy and youv ignored it all. Your like a cult member.

I'd hav to do a full scale deprogramming to hav any hope uv getting past your self defending mind virus! Throw a burlap bag over you and haul you off to a louzy hotel room for a few weeks.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
First off I'm debating you, not your best of the 80's style website.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
I think it wuz during this debate that I wuz finally certain that lojik just duznt work on humanz. They deside wut they want to believ and thats it; no amount uv evidens agenst their choice will convins them. So the new site duznt go that way. Insted it will be ritten in Nooalf almost entirely.

---

Quote:

---

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But when it comes to Asian scores v English-speaking scores - MOST European languages NOT English are phonetic AFAIK. I wonder how the French, or German scores compare with Asian.

---

Quote:

---

Also, do the Chinese and Japanese still learn ideograms, or do they use modified English lettering? I can't think of anything less phonetic than an ideogram. If they're still in use, then I think that eliminates non-phonetic spelling as the cause of score differences.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:


And I'v probably explained befor that Nooalf duznt specify a particular spelling for each word, just a sound for each letter, so It can spell your dialect az well az American English.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JO753:
They can, but they will probably know the difference.

I believe pretty much everybody can understand the major American and British dialects kuz they are the bulk uv all the media flooding the world with English. Kidz learning how to read & rite who liv in little townz with weird dialects will be very good at riting foneticly.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So here we have a group of people whose dialect is SO DIFFERENT many people can't understand them.

---

Quote:

---

But when they WRITE the STANDARD written language, magically, they can be widely understood.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The issue is English was phonetic, its just that people spoke differently 100's of years ago.

---

Quote:

---

I do see that written language needs to evolve just as verbal language itself evolves.

---

Quote:

---

Mandarin for example does not reflect either the phonetics or the actual spoken language, and for that reason despite what dialect (not accent) someone speaks in China, they can read the language.

---

Quote:

---

Like 1,2,3,4 etc don't reflect language, but ideas.

---

Quote:

---

I can also see that American phonetics would dominate, something else I object too.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Doesn't preclude standard spelling?

Isn't this what you think of standard spelling?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thats the problem with the entire way you think. You base everything on authority.

I'm trying to rescue a fellow browncoat, but you are so brainwashed by the system, you run away from anything that looks like it mite damaj the sement in your brain.

Pity the victim.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I could quote a whole lot more of that exact opinion about standard spelling YOU POSTED.

So, got any answers that don't involve you having to change your claims?

---