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What do the jobless do when the benefits end?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:50
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Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:13 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Rappy, do you really want to seriously engage me in a conversation? If you do, you'll have to follow some rules:



Jesus, Sig. Do I have to dig up the posts from 2007 of you trying the same crap with him? SEVEN YEARS AGO. When do you learn?

I think you're as addicted to him as he is addicted to being a troll. I really wish you'd stop, because you are just about the only one left who feeds him on a regular basis.



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Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sig, my dear: You NEEDED that clarification? How long ago did he make it clear that for him, this isn't "discussion" or "debate", but his version of "free-flowing conversations"? Remember "I do speak off the cuff, mostly, as I view these forums as more as free flowing conversations..."

I can't remember many posts he ever put up that weren't propaganda or trolling, certainly I could count on one hand any on the subject of POLITICS that weren't one or the other.

So why any need for clarification?

ETA: Oops, see I was thinking the same thing as Mal4... ;o)


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Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MY gawd, Chris... where did you get that image???

That's a Robot I put together holding a toy I got as a wee baby.
I just took a different shot:

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yeah, he's my guilty pleasure. I have to learn to stop coaxing him out and then poking him with a stick. It's so not nice of me!

SO, AFA "What do the jobless do..." it was a kind of pointless article. There is a Argentinian guy who blogs about what to do in an economic crisis. (Farfel I think his name is.) Anyway, somebody had asked him how to respond to a certain lack, and he said Eventually you learn to do without.

What is needed is for people to feel the unfairness of the system and push for change. But for the most part they believe that their misfortune is all their fault, and so they learn to scrape by, do without, shift their morals... whatever it takes. Also, they drink or take drugs or eat junk food to relieve the stress. Will this 65-year high in jobless/ benefit-less people result in real systemic change? I doubt it. What Americans should be demanding is jobs, not handouts. But hardly anybody thinks like that. Most people are passive and don't want to challenge TPTB.

BTW- NIKI- You've avoided several repeated questions rather pointedly (for example: Where do we disagree on our views of the USA). Its' a discussion I would dearly love to have with you, as I feel I could learn a lot. My offer of a fair and rigorous discussion is open to you, too, should you want to take advantage of it.



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Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


CHRIS... wow. You're really good putting those kinds of things together, aren't you? Too bad you're not near the movie--making business, they could use a talent like yours!


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Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Okay rappy I get it: You have absolutely no interest in discussing anything because you want to use this forum either as (1) a forum for your propaganda or (2) a place to troll. Thanks for clarifying!



What I just posted above wasn't , by any stretch of the imagination, clear to you, what so ever.

I will not be bludgeoned or ridiculed by you or any number of like minded types into falling in line and blindly obeying your ridiculous and control freak minded "rules of debate ".

I'm not your,or anyone's, puppet.

I'm more than open to friendly, honest and open discussion. Leave your caveats and addendums to others.

p.s. - You think others don't use this place as a forum for THEIR propaganda ? That right there is all manner of funny!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
CHRIS... wow. You're really good putting those kinds of things together, aren't you? Too bad you're not near the movie--making business

Yeah, I had aspirations of working in Hollywood once, but it's not for me... it's so Right Wing there... Dirty Harry, Rambo, Red Dawn, Predator, Dark Knight, Man Of Steel...it's like a sea of NeoCon propaganda being continuously pumped out of LA. John Carpenter was the only cool dude there, and he's retired now. *sigh* Now I make & sell models to pay bills during lean times so I don't have to live off the taxpaying public like corporations and politicians do. I never personally collected unemployment. Benefits are largely a Right Wing wealth safety net I want no part of (see the clever way I'm sort of keeping this on-topic?).

Here's an Airwolf model I just finished after heavy modification from the not-so-good kit:


Yeah, I know, a fascist Righty show, but the helicopter was cool!

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





Will Robinson looks so ... different ... from how I remember him.

Kidding aside, I actually heard the voice of the robot coming out of my memory when I saw that picture.

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





Also, is that mountain a 3D model you built?

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:15 PM

CHRISISALL


Well, in a sense it IS man made... we pumped hydrocarbons & crap into the atmo, the Earth warmed up a bit, evaporated more ocean water than usual, it drifted north & got frozen & dumped here on the Eastern seaboard...

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 8:45 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, in a sense it IS man made... we pumped hydrocarbons & crap into the atmo, the Earth warmed up a bit, evaporated more ocean water than usual, it drifted north & got frozen & dumped here on the Eastern seaboard...



And I was picturing Chris, ala Richard Dreyfuss, sculpting the mountain in his living room from mashed potatoes and mud and snow from his garden.




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Saturday, February 15, 2014 8:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
And I was picturing Chris, ala Richard Dreyfuss, sculpting the mountain in his living room from mashed potatoes and mud and snow from his garden.

LOL.
I hope you guys noticed my over-the-top political ranting in the last few posts. Just having some fun using the thread as 'propaganda' like the troll said we do...

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:21 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:



Will Robinson looks so ... different ... from how I remember him.

Kidding aside, I actually heard the voice of the robot coming out of my memory when I saw that picture.



Do you sell you stuff online Chris? I'd love one of the robot models.

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Also, just so you are aware, benefits don't end here. You just end up getting case managed and more intensive job search obligations put on you.

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:29 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Do you sell you stuff online Chris? I'd love one of the robot models.

Moebius has a fantastic new kit out just now, you can buy one & make it yourself! But I'm always available to do it for you at a reasonable price if you don't have the model-making skills. Even then, it might be cheaper to buy a kit where you live down under & have a local model dude do it there- shipping is SO expensive...

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:35 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Sadly, its often cheaper to pay shipping costs than buy local.

My hubby is into modelling - um putting things together with glue and stuff rather than strutting his stuff on the catwalk. you know what I mean

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:07 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
um putting things together with glue and stuff rather than strutting his stuff on the catwalk. you know what I mean


Lost in translation I'm afraid... you mean lack of advertising?

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 7:00 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


No, no. I meant he makes models, not does modelling as in




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Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sig, so you don't think I'm ignoring you: I haven't deliberately avoided any questions, certainly not from you. If I missed something, please point out where and I'll go back and look. If you don't get a response to something, you can always pm me. I'm not here a lot right now, this place is kinda getting to me again...every time I go into a thread, when I go to hit "reply", my finger pauses and I think "why bother?"--and more often than not lately, I just go away. So I may have missed something, but again, as with that other question you accused me of "avoiding", either I hadn't gone back to the thread in question, or I didn't take note of your question because the thread was getting "that way" and I ended up just skimming over the responses.

This would have been a "why bother?" post for me, except insofar as to say I got a giggle out of Chris' model and the posts about it, and I guess actually it says how I'm feeling...just as sockpuppets don't "compute" for me, the endless trolling and idiocy of this forum, is "computing" less and less as well. Dealing with other stuff IRL, getting little enjoyment here, so I'm not around much, just put up stuff and come back once or twice to see what happens mostly.

ETA: Chris, I got a smile out of your "over the top"...I assume you were joking. I've yet to see you EVER do anything "over the top" here, you're way too nice for this place.


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Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
This year The Home Depot will be hiring 80,000 people. When their bennys end they can go get jobs, instead of living off of ME! I work 40 hours or more every week, I PAY MY OWN BILLS!

In Obama's America;

More unemplyment bennys

More Food Stamps

Less healthcare bennys

Obama phones have replaced Hoover blankets



That's about it. If you're an employee at WalMart they teach you how to get all the benefits.


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Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


MAGONS... NICE MODEL! But, geeky as I am, I like the helicopter better.

NIKI... you have said more than once that you think you and I disagree about our views of America. I'd like to know where you think we disagree.


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Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, in a sense it IS man made... we pumped hydrocarbons & crap into the atmo, the Earth warmed up a bit, evaporated more ocean water than usual, it drifted north & got frozen & dumped here on the Eastern seaboard...



Because the NE USA never gets snow in the winter...

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:21 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


LOL

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Monday, February 17, 2014 12:03 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
LOL

Laff it up, fuzzball.
:)
It's HOTH here!

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Monday, February 17, 2014 1:24 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


HOTH?

Hot with a lisp?

HOtter than hell?

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Monday, February 17, 2014 3:42 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


planet hoth, from star wars


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Monday, February 17, 2014 3:45 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



No wonder the snow and ice looked so real ... and the copter too. But until you get to the top of the photo, snow looks the the Himalayas in the background ...



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Monday, February 17, 2014 4:29 AM

FREMDFIRMA




-F

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Monday, February 17, 2014 8:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Photoshop out the copter stand, crop out the fingers, photshop in blue sky over the "mountains"... dude, you got yourself a winning photo! (and ppl will be thinking... why do the rotors looked like they've stopped? That must be one faster camera!)


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Monday, February 17, 2014 9:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"I'd like to know where you think we disagree." Oh, well that's probably easy, unless we get deeply into specifics, maybe. From what you write, I get the impression you have a more negative view of this country than I do. I don't have really high expectations for any form of government, but feel ours is better than most, and I guess I just live in hope that the pendulum will keep swinging both ways, never too far in either direction, and we will continue to move forward in fits and starts. There are many, MANY things I don't like about our government, many I do like, many I think can be improved, but all in all, I'd still rather live here than just about anywhere else.

And you? I may have gotten a wrong impression; either way, I'd be interested in hearing it straight up, rather than extrapolating from what I read.


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Monday, February 17, 2014 5:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Photoshop out the copter stand, crop out the fingers, photshop in blue sky over the "mountains"... dude, you got yourself a winning photo! (and ppl will be thinking... why do the rotors looked like they've stopped? That must be one faster camera!)


I don't have Photoshop, but How's this for Photobucket tools:


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Monday, February 17, 2014 11:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Holy polaris, Batman!

CHRIS... WOW! That is SO AWESOME!


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Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's really cool, Chris...even the rotars, hee, hee, hee!


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Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:12 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Obamacare - 3.3 Million signed up and counting (what a failure! and this without any help from T and NeoCons repubs)

Unemployment 6.6%

Rich folk making money hand over fist (The stock market has more than doubled since 2009)

Funny thing; repubs are willing to go back to the old days and have insurance companies turn away anyone with pre-existing conditions, charge more to women and refuse the elderly. Yeah, that works.

Unlike popular belief, it's not government controlled. It's the law, for one. But not controlled by the government. Of course, that doesn't matter to the Troll Patrol because they follow the marching orders of one Rush Limpdick. So the lesson ends here.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sig - there is no such thing as " Free money". No idea what you're driving at, but most of the employers in this country, small business, got no windfall from the govt, which is itself an oxymoron.

The govt HAS no money it doesn't first take from who ? WE THE PEOPLE.

And as for O-Care just being implemented, that's a laugh. Everyone should note that this " law " didn't take full effect until AFTER O and his cohorts were already safely elected. And it's STILL being delayed ! In full violation of Barry's OWN FUCKING LAW! Unbelievable. Lucky for him, the GOP are too god damn pussy to do much of anything about it. So scared of being called "RACIST" by the MSM and Jessie , Al, Tavis, et al, all the Speaker can do is cry and go hide in a bottle of scotch. Worthless sacks of go se.

Quote:

Isn't that the rationale for some peeps being so rich? So that they can "create jobs" with all that money??


I don't know anyone who has huge amounts of money who thinks... " Ok, now I have lots of money for myself, I'll just create mindless dead end jobs and GIVE my money away to others ! " It seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding here.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


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Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:59 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Holy polaris, Batman!

Oh my, we do geek alike Signy. Pass the Bat Shark Repellent.
(I saw that in the theatre)

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Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


NIKI

Quote:

"I'd like to know where you think we disagree." Oh, well that's probably easy, unless we get deeply into specifics, maybe. From what you write, I get the impression you have a more negative view of this country than I do. I don't have really high expectations for any form of government, but feel ours is better than most, and I guess I just live in hope that the pendulum will keep swinging both ways, never too far in either direction, and we will continue to move forward in fits and starts. There are many, MANY things I don't like about our government, many I do like, many I think can be improved, but all in all, I'd still rather live here than just about anywhere else.

And you? I may have gotten a wrong impression; either way, I'd be interested in hearing it straight up, rather than extrapolating from what I read.

Oh, I think both of our major parties have been so deeply captured by money that it makes not a whit of difference whether we have the right to vote or not.

One thesis I just ran across what the idea that the triumph of the moneyed class was being able to separate the ideas of political rights (liberal democracy) from economic rights. By separating those ideas, it was possible to give "the masses" a shiny trinket to play with, meanwhile amassing economic dominance for themselves.

I'm not too sure about the historic accuracy of that argument, but I'd have to say that even as we the people seem to be gaining more and political rights (on average, with some regression here and there) the division of wealth has never been greater. So there seems to be some truth to the idea that political rights do not automatically translate to economic rights; the two seem to be in separate silos.

As far as where I'd rather live, I think there are a lot of places that might be better- the Nordic nations, and some European ones. I have a colleague who retired to Costa Rica; he and his wife love it there. Every year, he sends us pictures of his trips across the Costa Rican countryside, and across the world.

But at our age, and with a disabled daughter, its very difficult becoming a citizen anywhere- nobody wants to let us in. Even my friends in Costa Rica have to leave the country for two weeks every six months because they've been living there on a tourist visa for almost ten years! So I guess I'm stuck with the USA, and the USA is stuck with me.


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Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Anyway, NIKI, this is a deep topic which maybe deserves its own thread. Worth starting one? That way, we don't have to keep clicking to 'page 2'.

Specifically, I'd like to know which aspects of the USA you think are worth keeping, which ones you'd like to change, and how far is "too far" in terms of change in the USA.

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Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:40 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sure, Sig, start a thread, might be interesting. Dunno how involved I'll be, as I said, I've been coming here less and less lately, and this is a complex topic. But it would definitely be interesting to have SOMETHING to discuss, rather than everything devolving into the usual bullshit.

Let's see what I can respond to. "Oh, I think both of our major parties have been so deeply captured by money that it makes not a whit of difference whether we have the right to vote or not." Well, I definitely don't believe that, as I see it as about the only control, little tho' it is, that we still DO have. I guess the only thing I can say is that the states are different--in some cases VERY different--and that says something about the voting public, to me. Certainly I agree that both our major parties have been deeply captured by money--but then I think it was ALWAYS that way, in every government. I think ALL forms of government are "deeply captured by money", ours less than some, more than others. That's I guess a good example of what I meant by us seeing things differently, I feel your views are quite a bit more extreme than mine.

As to political/economic rights, there's certainly validity to what you wrote. But again, I think that's always been the case, it's nothing new, and I don't think "political rights" by the civilian population has every "translated" to economic rights...I suppose I would substitute the term "SOME economic POWER", if anything. I never thought governments were particularly responsive to what "the people" wanted unless it was convenient for them, they were forced to, or in the case of the few actual "representatives" who take their responsibilities seriously. And yes, there are those...few tho' they may be, little tho' their power may be, they're there and they actually try to work for their constituents.

I guess the crux of it is that it FEELS as if it's not as black and white for me as it is for you, and maybe that I have less expectation of any government ever actually representing its people and working for their best interests, generally speaking. I feel like I live always in the greys, and you chafe more for something I don't believe ever existed, or ever will. That's pretty much what I mean by our differences.


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Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:50 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooops, I just re-read and saw that last part. Boy, that's a BIG topic, one which I probably can't even get into. What to keep and what to change...wow. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Okay, I'll take the plunge and start a thread...


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