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Obama’s claim that 7 million got ‘access to health care for the first time’ because of his Medicaid expansion

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Monday, February 24, 2014 8:20 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

"We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion.”

– President Obama, remarks during dinner with the Democratic Governors Association, Feb. 20, 2014

The Fact Checker has written several times about the fuzziness of the Medicaid numbers issued by the Obama administration. But it is like playing whack-a-mole. Every time we rap someone for getting it wrong, the same problem pops up someplace else.

But here is the ultimate authority — the president of the United States — making the problematic claim that everyone counted under the administration’s Medicaid math is getting “access to health care for the first time.” Time for a refresher course!

The Facts

Medicaid is the health-care program for the poor, generally those at or below the federal poverty level. The Affordable Care Act expanded it to individuals with incomes of up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (about $15,850), though the Supreme Court gave states the option of whether to participate.

So far, 25 states and the District of Columbia have expanded Medicaid, while four more are considering it. Under the ACA, the government will initially pay 100 percent of the cost of expansion, though it eventually drops to 90 percent. (Under the current formula, the cost is split at least 50-50 between the states and the federal government.)

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that because of the ACA, the number of Americans on Medicaid will increase by 8 million in 2014. (The estimate was recently revised downward from 9 million because of the stumbling start of the law’s implementation.) Most of those people would be in the new pool of applicants, but it could also include some people who were previously eligible for Medicaid but had never signed up before all the publicity about new health-care options (known as people coming out of the “woodwork”).

But the figures released by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a unit of the Department of Health and Human Services, lumps together all sorts of Medicaid applicants, including people previously enrolled in Medicaid who are deemed eligible for another year (in other words, “normal churn”), as well as people who would have been eligible under the old law. The most recent report gives a top-line figure of 6.3 million people deemed eligible from Oct. 1 to Dec. 31, which is presumably where Obama got his 7 million figure. (An updated report through January is expected soon.)

Avalere, a health consulting firm, in a recent analysis raised serious questions about the 6.3 million Medicaid figure, estimating that only 1.1 to 1.8 million of the claimed enrollees could be attributed to the Affordable Care Act. That estimate generated headlines, including a full report in The Washington Post that said it suggested “many of the people who have joined the program since the initiative’s rollout in October would have done so absent the law.”

Charles Gaba, who keeps careful track of enrollment figures at ACASignups.net, has disputed some of Avalere’s reasoning but has also concluded that not all of the Medicaid data released by the administration can be attributed to the ACA. Here’s how he breaks down the numbers as of Feb. 22:

7,132,277 — deemed eligible for Medicaid

4,815,617 — Medicaid expansion states only, including people coming out of the “woodwork” and “normal churn”

2,600,000 — Medicaid expansion states only, no “woodwork” or normal churn of Medicaid applicants

Part of the problem is that few states provide much of a breakdown, making this a bit of a guessing game. But a good example is West Virginia, which on Feb. 21 reported that 130,000 people are eligible under the expansion and that more than 87,000 people had enrolled in Medicaid because of the expansion. This additional data prompted Gaba to reduce the total for Medicaid by 39,600 to remove “woodwork” and “normal churn.”

The White House declined to comment.

The Pinocchio Test

What does this mean in terms of evaluating the president’s statement? He seems to be falling into the same trap as other Democrats, and some reporters, by assuming that everyone in the Medicaid list is getting health insurance for the first time because of the Affordable Care Act. But that number is nowhere close to 7 million. It could be as low as 1.1 million (Avalere) or as high as 2.6 million (Gaba.) If one wanted to be generous, one could include people coming out of the woodwork, even though they would have been covered under the old law, but no one is really sure what that figure is.

In any case, no matter how you slice it, it does not add up to 7 million. It is dismaying that given all of the attention to this issue, the president apparently does not realize that the administration’s data are woefully inadequate for boastful assertions of this type.

Four Pinocchios




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Monday, February 24, 2014 6:02 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Can I suggest once again Geezer, that when you're quoting somebody you be very careful to be faithful to the quote, and not add your own spin to it?

Your thread title: "Obama’s claim that 7 million got ‘access to health care for the first time’"

Obama's quote: "We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time..."

They have access to healthcare. Which could be interpreted as 'they are eligible to sign up, if they choose'. And not necessarily that they received, or 'got' access.

Quote:

The most recent report gives a top-line figure of 6.3 million people deemed eligible from Oct. 1 to Dec. 31, which is presumably where Obama got his 7 million figure.

This is a strange, non-sensical presumption.

Quote:

7,132,277 — deemed eligible for Medicaid

Doesn't it seem more likely that Pres Obama was referencing this number?

It will be interesting to see what the response is to this fact check.


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Monday, February 24, 2014 6:46 PM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Can I suggest once again Geezer, that when you're quoting somebody you be very careful to be faithful to the quote, and not add your own spin to it?



Not my quote. It's the title of the Washington Post article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/24/obamas-
claim-that-7-million-got-access-to-health-care-for-the-first-time-because-of-obamacares-medicaid-expansion
/


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, February 24, 2014 6:49 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Can I suggest once again Geezer, that when you're quoting somebody you be very careful to be faithful to the quote, and not add your own spin to it?




Not my quote. It's the title of the Washington Post article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/24/obamas-
claim-that-7-million-got-access-to-health-care-for-the-first-time-because-of-obamacares-medicaid-expansion
/

ETA: I see you're splitting hairs again with the "maybe he just meant folks who could sign up'" excuse. Everyone else knows what he meant.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, February 24, 2014 7:03 PM

AURAPTOR

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Mr " Lie of the Year " strikes again, huh?

Color me unmoved.

He's exactly who we thought he was.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Monday, February 24, 2014 7:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies




And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".




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Monday, February 24, 2014 7:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Geezer

Not my quote. It's the title of the Washington Post article.

Then the vaunted fact-checker/ Washington Post got it wrong. And since their title was YOUR title, and their point was YOUR point, YOU got it wrong too. Always double check your sources. Just because they're telling you what you want to hear (or you THINK they're telling you what you want to hear) doesn't make them right. And you quoting them doesn't make you right either.

In this case, finding the REAL fact merely took a simple click on a link provided by the fact-checker itself, followed by a little reading.


the link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/02/20/remarks-presiden
t-dga-dinner


the quote: We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion.




And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".



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Monday, February 24, 2014 7:33 PM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Mr " Lie of the Year " strikes again, huh?

Color me unmoved.

He's exactly who we thought he was.



And what's really funny is that he's got legions of folks who'll go out of their way to twist what he actually says to make it look better.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, February 24, 2014 7:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"And what's really funny is that he's got legions of folks who'll go out of their way to twist what he actually says to make it look better."

But oddly enough, the only people who CHANGED what the president actually said was the Washington Post. And using THE WORDS THEY CHANGED, they said he was wrong. And you believed them.

And here's the most telling part --- about you. You have absolutely nothing bad to say about people changing a fact in order to give it a different and preferred meaning. They lie in a public and documented way, and you are fine with that. Nope, what you have gas over is people interpreting a genuine fact differently from you.

So, now we know more --- about you.



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".




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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:24 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"And what's really funny is that he's got legions of folks who'll go out of their way to twist what he actually says to make it look better."

But oddly enough, the only people who CHANGED what the president actually said was the Washington Post. And using THE WORDS THEY CHANGED, they said he was wrong. And you believed them.



Lay off the Kool-Ade, KIKI.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:28 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


And one other interesting thing.

Two of the most important objective metrics of the success of the ACA are the number of people previously not eligible for Medicaid who have now signed up, and the number of previously uninsured people who were able to sign up through Healthcare.gov and the state exchanges (where they're available).

However, none of these systems have the ability to capture this data, which could be easily done by asking one question.

Makes you wonder if they really want to know.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:45 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Lay off the Kool-Ade, KIKI."

Quote me anywhere where I lied about the facts. (Unlike your post.)

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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:08 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And now it's NOT about how Obama lied! it's about how suspicious it is that he ... DIDN'T ... lie?

And the fact that millions more are eligible for Medicaid - AND THAT'S A GOOD THING - seems to be of utterly NO importance to you in your partisan hackery. You just wrote off millions of people having a chance at a better life.

That's another thing we now know --- about you.

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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


For 1kiki

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-i
f-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it
/



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:34 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"And what's really funny is that he's got legions of folks who'll go out of their way to twist what he actually says to make it look better."

But oddly enough, the only people who CHANGED what the president actually said was the Washington Post. And using THE WORDS THEY CHANGED, they said he was wrong. And you believed them.



Lay off the Kool-Ade, KIKI.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



So, her noticing the change in words means she's drinking the kool-aid... but you, who fell for it, and stand by it even when corrected.... you're the one on top of things.

Its like you're jealous of rappy and zit for looking so fucking dumb - and you want a piece of the action.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The one's falling for into the Kool-aid vat are those who think, once again, Obama isn't spinning.

Much like when Obama claimed he called the attack in Benghazi a terrorist attack, during the debates, when in fact, he hadn't.

Also, look who's lying now!

Quote:

(CNSNews.com) – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on Tuesday dismissed the goal of 7 million Obamacare enrollees by the end of March as something that the Congressional Budget Office made up.

However, that contradicts Sebelius's own statement on national television in September that "success looks like at least 7 million people having signed up by the end of March 2014."

“First of all, 7 million was not the administration. That was a CBO Congressional Budget Office prediction when the bill was first signed. I’m not quite sure where they even got their numbers. Their number’s all over the board, and the vice president has looked and said it may be closer to 5 to 6,” Sebelius told HuffPost Live host Marc Lamont Hill.

- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/sebelius-dismisses-7m-s
ign-goal-obamacare#sthash.AOsQCti1.dpuf





Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


Sibilius 7 million healthcare

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Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:59 AM

STORYMARK


You buffoons are just adorable.




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Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Whatever the story, I still don't have healthcare.

All AFA has been to me is having to find out what new forms I need to fill out and send in to not be taxed when I don't have it.

Meanwhile I'll keep paying exorbanant property taxes to put YOUR kids through school and do my best to keep the smile on my face while illegals continue to get free school for their kids and access to healthcare that would allow the hospital to steal my house from me.

At the end of our lives, we're all "Mexican".

Meet ya at the bottom ;)

I'm sure you'll ll have much better stories to tell than me in the afterlife since I seem to be the only dumb asshole in America under 40 years old that thinks that debt is a bad thing.....


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