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Koch Group abandons Obamacare 'horror' stories after fact-heck backlash, pulls out of New Mexico
Monday, March 17, 2014 1:53 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Have we heard the last Obamacare "horror" story? If new ads from the Koch Brothers-backed group are any indication, we might have. Americans for Prosperity, the well-funded conservative group that has been attacking Democrats in battleground states over the health care reform law, put out TV ads Monday against Sens. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) and Mark Udall (D-CO). But what's notable about the ads is what they aren't: A personalized story of someone who's been negatively affected by Obamacare, the kind of verifiable set of facts that can be checked -- and rebutted, as happened with a recent AFP ad that led to significant backlash from the fact-checking community. It's a notably different style after the group incurred the wrath of fact-checkers over an ad released last month in the Michigan Senate race. That ad told the story of a cancer patient who had her plan canceled because of Obamacare. But the spot didn't mention that the subject would save at least $1,200 for a new health plan under the law, as TPM and numerous other-fact-checkers reported ( http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140310/LIFESTYLE03/303100100). Another AFP ad featuring a Medicare recipient earned a "Two Pinocchios" rating from the Washington Post ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/25/an-attack-ad-against-obamacare-featuring-a-man-on-medicare/). The Huffington Post called out a third ad ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/14/obamacare-arkansas-2014-senate-race_n_4963747.html), featuring a couple whose policy had been canceled, in the Arkansas Senate race last week. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/afp-obamacare-horror-stories-no-more
Quote:Americans for Prosperity, a conservative group backed by the billionaire Koch brothers, is pulling out of New Mexico. Americans for Prosperity expanded to New Mexico as part of multi-state expansion to thwart support for President Barack Obama's reelection in 2012. Just over a year later, the group is "reallocating their resources elsewhere,” and won't have any “boots on the ground” in New Mexico, state field representative Pam Wolfe told ProgressNow, a progressive grassroots organization based in Albuquerque, N.M. "I think other conservative funders and organizations are going to take a second look at New Mexico after this news," said Patrick Davis, executive director of ProgressNow. "I can imagine the leaders of those organizations asking themselves 'Well, if the Koch brothers couldn't buy New Mexico, how will we?'" In 2013, Americans for Prosperity spent more than $12.4 million on candidate-specific anti-Obamacare ads. In 2012, Americans for Prosperity hit New Mexico and 30 other states in their "Obama’s Failing Agenda" bus tour. Davis believes the group's departure from New Mexico is a sign of its own failures. “AFP’s 2012 bus tour was named the ‘failed agenda’ tour and it made several stops across the state,” he said. “It turns out they were onto something with that. But it turns out the failed agenda in New Mexico wasn’t that of President Obama and progressives. It was their own.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/12/koch-brothers-new-mexico_n_4586414.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
Monday, March 17, 2014 2:02 PM
REAVERFAN
Monday, March 17, 2014 5:33 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Facts aren't kind to Obama supporters.
Monday, March 17, 2014 5:39 PM
Quote: Michigan is a crucial piece on the 2014 U.S. Senate chessboard, and Republicans have a good shot at gaining retiring Democrat Carl Levin’s open seat, given Democratic nominee Gary Peters’s unpopular House vote for the Affordable Care Act. Yet Peters has hope. The president’s unilateral delays in Obamacare mandates have eased planned layoffs by local governments and businesses. Moderate GOP governor Rick Snyder supports the ACA’s Medicaid expansion. And the state’s liberal news media have largely ignored the estimated 225,000-plus canceled individual policies and the job losses at medical-device maker Stryker. But Julie Boonstra won’t be ignored. So she must be destroyed.
Monday, March 17, 2014 7:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Facts aren't kind to Obama supporters. Paul Krugman keeps daring the conservative right to find a real Obamacare victim story – one that couldn’t be debunked by a little extra sleuthing. Well, Paul, here are three. Last June, Birch received a letter from Lovelace Insurance warning her that her coverage would be terminated. However, it told her to wait for more information before she did anything. The months rolled past and no phone call came. She paid her premium in December, assuming everything was sorted out. However, on January 4, 2014, she was told her insurance was cancelled and she would have to log onto the New Mexico healthcare exchange. So she did. After spending two hours filling personal information into the ever-growing ACA database, the system stopped her from enrolling her children. It needed to determine if her sons were eligible for Medicaid. The error message promised that a state representative would contact her, but no one has. When she tried to call, the wait was 45 minutes. "I have a twelve- and five-year-old who play sports. They need a doctor," Birch said. Birch wasn’t eligible for the marketplace’s Platinum plan, but the next best thing – the Gold plan – offered her comparable care for $519.23 a month with a $3,000 deductible—an increase of over $175 a month with no coverage for her children caught in Medicaid limbo. http://spectator.org/articles/58308/faces-obamacare
Monday, March 17, 2014 9:35 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Facts aren't kind to the Kochs.
Monday, March 17, 2014 10:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: She sounds irresponsible. Most companies cancelled their rip-off plans because they didn't meet the standards. She had plenty of time to get it squared away. Unless, of course, she's in a repub state. They're out to screw everybody.
Monday, March 17, 2014 10:11 PM
Monday, March 17, 2014 11:37 PM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Fan, I wouldn't bother trying to reason with him. HE FOUND ONE!! He FOUND a bad story about Obamacare!!
Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:48 AM
Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:14 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Tuesday, March 18, 2014 1:17 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Fan, I wouldn't bother trying to reason with him. HE FOUND ONE!! He FOUND a bad story about Obamacare!! Yeah. Again I propose this argument - Rap is the sockpuppet of a liberal, invented for no other purpose but to show how stupid the Faux news/Tea Party/RWA talking points are. Why else could any poster be so blatantly stupid and obvious in his sense of victory in finding *ONE* case where Obamacare wasn't better than the old way? Think about it this way... a good friend once challenged me to imagine making a parody of Walker Texas Ranger. You can't. The show is so incredibly stupid that you can't make it any more stupid. You can't make fun of it to any greater degree than just watching the actual show. It is that bad. Hence: Rappy. *-------------------------------------------------* What trolls reveal about themselves when they troll: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57532 *-------------------------------------------------*
Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: The NY Times reported over the weekend that NO Koch money was used in the recent Florida 13th district election for Congress. Not one cent! The Republican was vastly outspent by the Democrat, but he won because he made the Obamacare debacle the central issue. Koch money will not be needed or used very much for the mid-term elections. Polling shows the House will remain firmly in Republican control. 24 Senate seats are up for grabs, and Democrats are in complete Obamacare panic mode as polling shows them trailing badly in enough contests to flip the Senate back to Republican control. Koch money will likely be used in a few of those contests, but they're saving the big campaign war chest for 2016. Meanwhile in 2014, the individual candidates' anti-Obamacare ads are not going to stop any time soon despite Nancy Pelosi's shrill and delusional warning to Republicans to stop. What I continue to find hi-larious is the original 50 million people without health insurance, for whom Obamacare was created to help. So far less than 5 million (if that high) have signed up, and the deadline for 2014 is less than two weeks away. So thanks to Obama and the Democrats, on April 1st 45 million uninsured people will be in violation of the individual mandate law and subject to an IRS fine. LOL!
Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:23 PM
Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:26 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Facts aren't kind to Obama supporters. Paul Krugman keeps daring the conservative right to find a real Obamacare victim story – one that couldn’t be debunked by a little extra sleuthing. Well, Paul, here are three. Last June, Birch received a letter from Lovelace Insurance warning her that her coverage would be terminated. However, it told her to wait for more information before she did anything. The months rolled past and no phone call came. She paid her premium in December, assuming everything was sorted out. However, on January 4, 2014, she was told her insurance was cancelled and she would have to log onto the New Mexico healthcare exchange. So she did. After spending two hours filling personal information into the ever-growing ACA database, the system stopped her from enrolling her children. It needed to determine if her sons were eligible for Medicaid. The error message promised that a state representative would contact her, but no one has. When she tried to call, the wait was 45 minutes. "I have a twelve- and five-year-old who play sports. They need a doctor," Birch said. Birch wasn’t eligible for the marketplace’s Platinum plan, but the next best thing – the Gold plan – offered her comparable care for $519.23 a month with a $3,000 deductible—an increase of over $175 a month with no coverage for her children caught in Medicaid limbo. http://spectator.org/articles/58308/faces-obamacare Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts. " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: From the NY Times: "Frightening Democrats further, none of the Republican third-party money in the race came from the Koch brothers, the wealthy industrialists whose political groups have funded the bulk of the TV ads hammering Democrats this election cycle." http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/us/politics/obama-factor-adds-to-fears-of-democrats.html
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:26 AM
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:47 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: "Frightening Democrats further...?" Sure politicians and pundits on both sides are going whacko over the loss in Florida . . . No question it's got a psychological effect on pols on both sides, but it's no guarantee of anything.
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:37 AM
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:24 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:19 PM
Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Do you have any articles that don't come from conservative websites? And aren't written by student journalists (??)?
Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Do you have any articles that don't come from conservative websites? And aren't written by student journalists (??)? " What difference, at this point , does it make ? "
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