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Green energy ? How about SOYLENT GREEN ?? It's PEOPLE!

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Monday, March 24, 2014 5:55 PM

America loves a winner!

So, was Hitler just ahead of his time ?

Amanda Holden on NHS "burning babies" scandal: Hospitals heated wards with fetal remains - parents thought they were cremated

Essentially you’re powering hospitals by burning babies, Britain’s Got Talent judge Amanda Holden tells an MP in a hard-hitting documentary tonight.

The confrontation comes in Channel 4’s Dispatches as Amanda reveals how thousands of fetal remains have been incinerated along with clinical waste, instead of being cremated as parents were led to believe.

Her approach worked. The MP, Dr Dan Poulter, promised to investigate, which led to the practice being banned throughout the NHS.

Amanda said: “I think he underestimated me because of who I am – a blonde presenter ‘off the telly’ and I encouraged that because I think the best thing for any interviewer is to be underestimated.”

The show reveals freedom of information figures showing at least 15,500 fetal remains under 24 weeks old have been incinerated by 27 NHS trusts during the last two years.

Ten trusts admitted burning more than 1,000 sets of remains “as clinical waste”, while two others used “waste-to-energy” furnaces that power hospitals.

Amanda said: “It’s disgraceful to think babies were thrown into the burner alongside waste such as bandages and syringes.

“I hope mothers and fathers will be comforted by the knowledge this won’t go on any more.

“But I know it will make people think, ‘Oh my God, what happened to our baby’.

“We might have kicked over a hornet’s nest in some respects. I just hope women going through this will be comforted by the positive outcome.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stop-nhs-burning-babies-says-3276
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Monday, March 24, 2014 6:02 PM

WHOZIT

Souless monsters

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Monday, March 24, 2014 6:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by whozit:
Souless monsters

This is what the supporters of ObamaCare want for the USA.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, March 24, 2014 6:37 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

That's horrible; I'm glad someone exposed it.

Unfortunately, with his remarks Rap shows just how sick HE is, as well. That statement is so far beyond the pale it's inconceivable.

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Monday, March 24, 2014 8:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

What part of me stating THE TRUTH has pissed you off THIS time, Niki ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, March 24, 2014 8:51 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

That you can actually say in all dead seriousness that burning dead babies for energy is "what the supporters of ObamaCare want for the USA". That is, without a doubt, the most insane, sickest thing I've heard all month...only possibly barring the initial story itself.

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Monday, March 24, 2014 9:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
That you can actually say in all dead seriousness that burning dead babies for energy is "what the supporters of ObamaCare want for the USA". That is, without a doubt, the most insane, sickest thing I've heard all month...only possibly barring the initial story itself.

Oh, but it's true.

“Any health care funding plan that is just equitable civilized and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate. Excellent health care is by definition redistributional.”

- Dr. Donald Berwick, Appointed by Prez Obama as the Director of Medicare and Medicaid services. ( - Harvard graduate (4x) who waxes fondly for all things socialized, euthanized and rationed, the British NHS, and the primary function of government-run health care - wealth redistribution. )

This guy idolized the NHS, and wants the US system to mirror that found in the UK.

And Soylent Green as fuel is the logical conclusion.

This is what you get when you systematically so devalue humanity, that you purposefully set up an on going program which allows THIS to happen.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, March 24, 2014 9:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

definition of a troll: "and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, March 24, 2014 9:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

DING!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:58 PM

REAVERFAN

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Originally posted by G:

I don't think you understand how logic works.

That's apparent.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2014 4:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Er, I'm not particularly shocked by this. I gather by the article that they mean that foetuses under 24 weeks are incinerated in the hospital furnace with other biological waste. What did you imagine happened to them? Do you realise that 1 in 3 pregnancies end in early miscarriage, and its not usual for parents to expect anything done with the remains of of a pregnancy than perhaps some testing - why did it happen etc.

Incineration and cremation are the same thing. It's burning something away. One is done separately - offered over 24 weeks, and one is done with other material.

Sorry, this probably happens in US hospitals as well.

A lot of foetal remains probably end up down the loo when women miscarry. Not great thinking about it, but the reality.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And Soylent Green as fuel is the logical conclusion.

I don't think you understand how logic works.

Actually, I do. It's crystal clear.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is what you get when you systematically so devalue humanity, that you purposefully set up an on going program which allows THIS to happen.

How does providing health care and social services to those without them devalue people? Wouldn't you withhold it if you didn't value them? Let them pass out so the PETs (passive energy transports) can pick them up and deliver them to the nearest Combustion Station? (Franchises Now Available!)

This should be self evident, even for you. It's not about providing health care. It's about a transfer of wealth, under the guise of ' providing health care '.

But I already stated how it devalues human life. Re-read what I posted before. THINK.

And if that's too much , go back and read the original STORY.

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Sorry, this probably happens in US hospitals as well.

I bet it doesn't. Otherwise, it would be even more of a scandal than it is in the UK. And that's how its being viewed, as well it should be. A scandal.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:48 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

So at what stage of a foetus do you think its okay to not offer a formal cremation - 4 weeks, 8 weeks, 12 weeks?????

As I said earlier, many pregnancies end up down the tiolet. It may not be pleasant to think about it, but that's what happens.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

MD - you're missing the point. Maybe more than 1, actually.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:10 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You guys are silly...he doesn't want to discuss the ISSUE--he doesn't want to DISCUSS anything, he just put it up as an excuse to make a filthy snark at the left, don't you get that?

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by Niki2:
You guys are silly...he doesn't want to discuss the ISSUE--he doesn't want to DISCUSS anything, he just put it up as an excuse to make a filthy snark at the left, don't you get that?

SO SAYETH THE QUEEN OF POSTING 30 SICKENINGLY-LIBERAL-SLANTED STORYS PER MONTH.

Just playin' girl :)

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

.. thousands of fetal remains have been incinerated along with clinical waste, instead of being cremated as parents were led to believe.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Bingo Jongs.

What difference does it make, that the parents were " lead to believe " something, and then something entirely different took place.

A bit like Obama-Care.

If you want your baby's remains treated w/ respect and dignity, you can have your baby's remains treated with respect and dignity.

NOT !

And Niki ... the difference between us is when I post a story about the Left, it's true. When YOU post a story about the Right, it's more often contrived, twisted and full of agenda driven spin.

This actually IS happening.

Deal w/ it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
MD - you're missing the point. Maybe more than 1, actually.

Wbat point am I missing? These are remains of foetuses under 24 weeks gestation. It's not normal practice to offer formal burial/cremation services, which you have to buy from a funeral service, for foetuses under that level of development. And I can tell you that from experience.

I'm sure if you requested it, and your foetus was 23 or 22 weeks, you would be accomodated, if YOU PAID. Hospitals are not funeral homes, they dont offer those services.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
MD - you're missing the point. Maybe more than 1, actually.

Wbat point am I missing? These are remains of foetuses under 24 weeks gestation. It's not normal practice to offer formal burial/cremation services, which you have to buy from a funeral service, for foetuses under that level of development. And I can tell you that from experience.

These women were told otherwise. Point 1.

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I'm sure if you requested it, and your foetus was 23 or 22 weeks, you would be accomodated, if YOU PAID. Hospitals are not funeral homes, they dont offer those services.

This isn't merely an issue of 'waste disposal'. The remains of their dead babies were used as fuel to heat and power some of the hospitals. Point 2.

YOU may call the remains " foetuses " ( fetuses ) , but to many , they were in fact 'babies'. Point 3

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:00 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

I actually cant see an issue with waste being used to heat a hosptital. To me that seems useful resourcing. I mean hospital waste must be incredible gross, being lots of human waste and while that isn't very pleasant to think about it, it gets burnt, why not use that energy.

I get that people feel and think different things about foetuses, but the reality is a 12 week old foetus is not the same as a full term born baby. Somewhere along the gestation period, the foetus becomes a living entity for the parents, maybe its straight after you find out your pregnant. However, if that foetus does not survive, which 1 and 3 do not in early pregnancy, what do you do with the remains which ends up being blood and tissue - sorry to be graphic but thats it. It's a very sensitive issue, but early pregnancy loss does not involve burial and cremation until around the 24 week mark. After that time, parents will arrange for burial and cremation at their own expense, in fact they must do so.

So in my mind if there was pregnancy loss earlier - say from 18 weeks onward and parents wanted cremation, then they should be free to arrange that with a funeral service. But hosptitals do not involve themselves in that arrangement and parents should not expect it.

I still find this a beat up of a story and not particularly scandalous. To me, its a matter of people coming to terms with a reality that isn't particularly pleasant.

The only problem I can see is one of information for parents, although in effect cremation and incineration are one and the same, cremation implies a private incineration, which is clearly not the case.

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Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:16 PM

JONGSSTRAW

And don't forget the fabulous marshmallow-toasting and sing-a-longs that add a joyous aura to the festivities!

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Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2013/oct/study-concludes-climat
e-change-will-wreak-havoc-oceans-2100

Study concludes climate change will wreak havoc on oceans by 2100

10/16/2013

CORVALLIS, Ore. – A new study looking at the impacts of climate change on the world’s ocean systems concludes that by the year 2100, about 98 percent of the oceans will be affected by acidification, warming temperatures, low oxygen, or lack of biological productivity – and most areas will be stricken by a multitude of these stressors.

These biogeochemical changes triggered by human-generated greenhouse gas emissions will not only affect marine habitats and organisms, the researchers say, but will often co-occur in areas that are heavily used by humans.

Results of the study are being published this week in the journal PLoS Biology. It was funding by the Norwegian Research Council and Foundation through its support of the International Network for Scientific investigation of deep-sea ecosystems (INDEEP).

“While we estimated that 2 billion people would be impacted by these changes, the most troubling aspect of our results was that we found that many of the environmental stressors will co-occur in areas inhabited by people who can least afford it,” said Andrew Thurber, an Oregon State University oceanographer and co-author on the study.

“If we look on a global scale, between 400 million and 800 million people are both dependent on the ocean for their livelihood and also make less than $4,000 annually,” Thurber pointed out. “Adapting to climate change is a costly endeavor, whether it is retooling a fishing fleet to target a changing fish stock, or moving to a new area or occupation.”

The researchers say the effect on oceans will also create a burden in higher income areas, though “it is a much larger problem for people who simply do not have the financial resources to adapt.”

“What is really sobering about these findings is that they don’t even include other impacts to the world’s oceans such as sea level rise, pollution, over-fishing, and increasing storm intensity and frequency,” added Thurber, a post-doctoral fellow in OSU’s College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences. “All of these could compound the problem significantly.”

In their study, the researchers used global distribution maps of 32 marine habitats and biodiversity hotspots and overlaid that with climate models developed for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fifth Assessment Report, presented in Stockholm, Sweden, this fall. They then compared the results with the latest available data on human use of marine goods and services to estimate the vulnerability of coastal populations worldwide.

The models had a range of outcomes, but all agreed that most of the world’s oceans would suffer negative impacts of varying intensities from the four major stressors. Only a small fraction of the oceans – mostly in Antarctica and to a lesser extent, small areas of the Atlantic – will see potential increases in oxygen or biological productivity, the study noted.

By 2100, nowhere in the world are ocean waters expected to be cooler or less acidic than they are today.

“When you look at overlapping stressors, the Northern Hemisphere appears to be in real trouble,” Thurber said. “The same grim outlook is apparent for the strong upwelling zones off Chile and southern Africa. Another ‘red spot’ is the Pacific Northwest of the United States, which already is seeing the impact of low oxygen and rising acidification.”

It is the combination of stressors that makes upwelling areas – where deep, nutrient-rich water is brought to the surface to fertilize the upper water column – of greatest concern, the researchers noted. The models also suggest that marine food webs based on the production of euphausiids and other krill, or tiny marine crustaceans, are highly at-risk.

“A lot of marine animals, including many whale populations, are dependent upon krill or the other organisms that consume krill, for survival – and krill habitat has some of the greatest overlap in all the stressors we looked at,” Thurber said. “On the other hand, coral reefs – even though they didn’t rank as high as other areas for stressor overlap – are in trouble due to just two of the stressors, acidification and temperature. So a low score doesn’t necessarily mean these areas are unlikely to be affected.”

Thurber and three colleagues originally conceived of the idea of the meta-analysis of data to forecast the impact of climate change on the world’s deep sea, an idea that was re-cast when they organized an international workshop that drew many principal investigators of recent climate change studies. Notable among the researchers was Camila Mora of the University of Hawai’i at Mañoa, who spearheaded an effort to include shallow water and the human elements into the data analysis.

“The consequences of these co-occurring changes are massive,” Mora said. “Everything from species survival to abundance, to range size, to body size, to species richness, to ecosystem functioning are affected by changes in ocean biogeochemistry.”

The study is unusual because of its scope, and the analysis of multiple factors. Most previous studies have looked at one variable – such as ocean warming or increasing acidification – but not multiple stressors, or they focused on one geographic area. It also brought the human dimension into play, which few climate change studies have attempted.

“One of the real highlights of the study is its inclusion of the deep sea into our understanding of human impacts on climate,” Thurber said. “We often think of this vast habitat as immune to human activity, but we found that this largest and most stable area of our planet is likely to see multiple impacts from our activities.”

Among the possible biological responses to the four stressors:

Although warming off the surface waters in polar regions may lead to enhanced growth and productivity of some species, in a vast majority of the world it likely will lead to species loss, reduced animal density, and enhanced risk of disease;
Acidification will increase mortality of calcifying marine invertebrates and likely lead to species loss;
Hypoxia, or low oxygen, will cause mortality in many species and could enhance dominance by other species that are hypoxia-tolerant;
As productivity declines, many food web structures will be altered and reduced abundance may lead to dominance shifts from large to small species.

About the OSU College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences: CEOAS is internationally recognized for its faculty, research and facilities, including state-of-the-art computing infrastructure to support real-time ocean/atmosphere observation and prediction. The college is a leader in the study of the Earth as an integrated system, providing scientific understanding to address complex environmental challenges

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