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What Obama does in private

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Friday, April 4, 2014 5:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Presidents do very little in private. Much of what they do is subject to intense political and public pressure, so it would be fair to say that much of what Obama tried to accomplish, or hoped to accomplish, was subverted, thwarted, or modified by the right.

Despite that, there were under-the-radar/ secretive decisions, which were not overseen by House Republicans or... anyone, for that matter. Decisions which I think reveal a person's core values.

So, what has Obama done in private?

I can think of four things offhand - none of them good, in my opinion - but if someone comes up with more for this list either good or bad, I'd be very happy for the additions.

THE TPP
The TransPacific Partnership. Negotiated out of the public eye over Obama's terms in office, but widely open to industry input and revision, the TPP was only revealed by Wikileaks. (Otherwise, we peons would have been presented with a fait accompli.) The TPP involves many of the nations bordering the Pacific except China. What it pretends to do is nail down intellectual property, tariff, and specification/ regulatory differences, but what it REALLY does is establish a new mechanism for settling claims outside of the WTO framework. The WTO framework requires nation-to-nation settlement- which corporations really don't like because it requires a state intermediary if they have a complaint.

What the TPP does is establish a company's right to sue a state directly. So, for example, if a nation passes an environmental or consumer-protection law which interferes with a previously agreed-on trade rule, that nation can be directly sued for indirect expropriation of profits. So much for democracy and self-determination!

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Therefore, incorporating these clauses would mean that if a country later makes a law that contravenes the terms of the ... TTP, for example, in the interests of protecting public health, that a company that suffers damages (for example, because they have been making a product that contravenes the new rule) can sue the state for compliance with the treaty, bypassing the normal court system. In other words, foreign companies are placed above the law of the host State through these agreements. If this sounds like far-fetched paranoia, consider that the citizens of Canada, the US and Mexico are all already living under just such a regime, thanks to NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement).


Aside from negotiating this agreement in secret (except for corporate involvement, of course!) Obama tried to get this agreement "fast tracked" through Congress, bypassing Congressional authority to negotiate and sign trade deals with foreign nations.

https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/rt-pyrrhic-victory-for-whist
leblowers-on-transatlantic-trade-agreement/

THE TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership)
Like the similarly-named TPP, THIS secret trade deal - also being negotiated under Obama's cloak of invisibility- is a similar agreement between the USA and Europe. It also would have been presented as a fait accompli except for three German MPs who released the EU position paper to the public.

Like the TPP, it is meant to establish non-WTO claims settlements mechanisms, allowing corporations to sue nations directly. (Same link as above)

MASSIVE NSA SPYING
Like the previous two activities, NSA spying was done very much outside of public or Congressional knowledge, and what Obama did- personally- was authorize the hoovering up of pretty much everyone's electronic content as well as their metadata by somehow rationalizing to himself that this was "legal" (although a plain reading of the fourth amendment would have shown it to be unconstitutional). The only reason we know about THIS deep intrusion of government into our private lives was - again- because of whistleblowing, in this case by Edward Snowden.


DRONE KILLING AND THE KILL LIST
The government is supposed to file charges against you (habeas corpus) and give you a trial by a jury of your peers BEFORE you're sentenced to death.

Well, fuggedaboutit! Obama has made that whole process much more efficient with his Star Chamber process, kill list, and authorized drone strikes. So, you can not only wipe the 4th Amendment off the Constitution, you can wipe the 5th Amendment off the list too!

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I would be very interested in getting some kind of insight as to what anyone thinks the rationalizations are for these actions.


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Friday, April 4, 2014 5:46 PM

WHOZIT


My guess, he watches TV and listens to music...and dresses in womans clothes...cause he's a jugeared freak.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 5:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It's people like you who make criticizing Obama very difficult. What are you- his secret weapon?


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Friday, April 4, 2014 5:55 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's people like you who make criticizing Obama very difficult. What are you- his secret weapon?



I thought you'd want funny replys for this thread, silly me.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 8:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
My guess, he watches TV and listens to music...and dresses in womans clothes...cause he's a jugeared freak.


Tell me I'm not the only one who can see this being Barry's theme song for Michelle...




But in all honesty, I don't think he does all that much. He has few if any real friends. He's quite pleased w/ himself, so I bet he plans his next vacation and such.

ETA - It dawned on me how this song could also comically apply to Wash and Zoe. " Little man " and " warrior woman ".



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 9:08 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Obama's private time is probably very normal ...

spends quality time with his daughters.

reads books and magazines.

watches sports on tv.

watches movies.

watches popular tv shows.

walks around and thinks about stuff

has off-the-record calls with political allies


But I might be wrong about all of that. His actions as President strongly suggest he spends his time re-reading Alinsky's 'Rules For Radicals'.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:23 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


One thing he DIDN'T do was pay any attention to the rollout of the ACA. Thanks to the "Everything will work fine" attitude of his minions, the various botches with the signup system, the "If you like your healthcare..." quotes, the number of folks dropped by insurance companies, etc. have given the Republicans a good chance at taking the 2014 elections.

ETA: This actually mirrors the creation of the ACA, when Obama worked hard to get folks interested in a health care bill, and then turned the task of writing it over to Congress with no direction or leadership.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:38 AM

REAVERFAN


The only thing that's going to help the Republicans is the Koch-court's recent decision to allow billionaires to buy elections.

They lost on the whole ACA thing, even after 50 votes and spending 100 million on propaganda. Their saviors will have to be Sheldon, David and Charles.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:07 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The only thing that's going to help the Republicans is the Koch-court's recent decision to allow billionaires to buy elections.

They lost on the whole ACA thing, even after 50 votes and spending 100 million on propaganda. Their saviors will have to be Sheldon, David and Charles.


Don't worry, Hollywood Corp and Silicon Valley Corp and Wall Street Corp and Union Corp will give mega $ to the Dems, plus their whores in the MSM will give them plenty of positive free ads that look like news reports.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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US officials on Friday slammed plans to construct an EU-centric communication system, designed to prevent emails and phone calls from being swept up by the NSA, warning that such a move is a violation of trade laws.


Wait.

You mean, we can't spy on our allies to our heart's content because that would violate TRADE LAWS???

Wow, someone on Obama's staff had to twist their head around three times in order to come up with THAT one! Because nothing speaks of respect for your allies and partners like legally immobilizing them so you can probe them for their deepest secrets! Heck, I thought we left that kind of stuff to the Russkies!

http://rt.com/news/us-europe-nsa-snowden-549/

OH, and BTW- Ain't no House GOP member who pushed Obama into THIS one. He did it all on his own.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:36 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
US officials on Friday slammed plans to construct an EU-centric communication system, designed to prevent emails and phone calls from being swept up by the NSA, warning that such a move is a violation of trade laws.


Wait.

You mean, we can't spy on our allies to our heart's content because that would violate TRADE LAWS???

Wow, someone on Obama's staff had to twist their head around three times in order to come up with THAT one! Because nothing speaks of respect for your allies and partners like legally immobilizing them so you can probe them for their deepest secrets! Heck, I thought we left that kind of stuff to the Russkies!

http://rt.com/news/us-europe-nsa-snowden-549/

OH, and BTW- Ain't no House GOP member who pushed Obama into THIS one. He did it all on his own.


...and Obama likes to dress in womans clothes.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I see the reichwing is piling on with its usual inanities, and the liberals are acutely silent on the topic of "what Obama does when the rightwing isn't pushing him."

I know... you read all that crap about Obama being a Saul Alinskyite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky, a Kenyan with a fake Hawaiian birth certificate, a Muslim, a secret radical... so much nonsense, it just makes me want to stand up and bitchslap these idiots.

But then, I think... why let them determine the direction of the conversation? Yanno, it's like they say: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get muddy. Only, the pig enjoys it.

So I've tried to focus my attention to where Obama has failed on important points. And I don't mean failed a liberal agenda, I mean Failed to address pressing and immediate problems of the USA and the world.

But I'm running out of time, so I'll have to address this later.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 5:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, I presume the Chinese are going to take care of this:

"The US National Security Agency (NSA) has spied on Chinese leaders and businesses, new Snowden docs indicate. Yet it seems that China’s telecom giant, Huawei, was the core target for the NSA campaign in China.

It has been revealed that America’s NSA has multiple targets in the world’s second largest economy, among them the Chinese Trade Ministry, national banks, leading telecommunications companies and the country’s top officials, like former Chinese President Hu Jintao.

But even against that background, one Chinese company received the special attention of the NSA: it is Huawei Technologies, the world's second largest network equipment supplier, which employs 150,000 specialists around the world and can boast an impressive $38.6 in annual revenues.

The company produces a large number of electronic products, among which are cutting edge network equipment, such as WLAN routers and fiber optic hardware. For the America’s NSA, which is craving total domination in global cyberspace, full control over these technologies is decisive.

Back in 2012 Congress called on US firms to avoid doing business with the Chinese telecom giant snapping at the heels of America’s Cisco Systems Inc., the world’s #1 telecom equipment producer, due to a national security threat the company posed, according to them. Another Chinese telecom giant, the ZTE Corp, was also named as a threat to US security.

The documents dug up by Edward Snowden have exposed that three years prior to the US boycott of Huawei, the NSA launched a major cyber offensive against the company, an operation dubbed ‘Shotgiant’, which involved the FBI and close contacts with the White House intelligence coordinator."

For anyone doing the math, that was in 2009, under Obama. I don't think we'll find anything on the NSA spying on Russia, but if it did, I suspect Russia will take care of it as well. And HOPEfully Europe will get smart and lock out the NSA.

And then what will the NSA be able to claim all its spying is for? The only target of significance left will be us.




"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And then what will the NSA be able to claim all its spying is for? The only target of significance left will be us.
Be serious. The American People are the single biggest threat to the United Corporation of America. If you spy on EVERYBODY, your motives for spying on the most important subjects gets dispersed into darkness.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


True, that.


"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:04 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So I've tried to focus my attention to where Obama has failed on important points. And I don't mean failed a liberal agenda, I mean Failed to address pressing and immediate problems of the USA and the world.

Oh well, chalk up another Obama supporter who has lost all hope and faith in her Savior of the World. Nothing worse than a failed superhero.

It is, however, very likely that what YOU consider "pressing and immediate problems" really aren't to most people, including Obama.






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Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:31 PM

CHRISISALL


I'm guessing that this is supposed to be funny in some way....

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
I'm guessing that this is supposed to be funny in some way....


Unfortunately, it is. But for all the wrong reasons.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:28 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Unfortunately, it is. But for all the wrong reasons.
Now you're gonna make fun of Jongs? He's on your side you fool!

Yeah, don't bother. I was joking.


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Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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It is, however, very likely that what YOU consider "pressing and immediate problems" really aren't to most people, including Obama.
It doesn't matter whether I consider a problem pressing and immediate and you don't, or Obama doesn't or does, I will say the same thing to you and the other right-wingers as I've said to the liberals here on the board:

You don't have "your" reality and I don't have "mine". We don't live in separate realities, we live ONE reality. And the test of whose OPINION is correct is shown by who can provide the best predictions. So I don't give a good goddamn that you think your opinion is "worth something", as far as I'm concerned you have not accurately examined or predicted anything. Just like rappy, you haven't batted zero but you've come pretty damn close.

As far as what is pressing and immediate, we will find out what is pressing and immediate by waiting for a few years. Most of what people thought was so important today will not even be a memory by then. I have a list of things I think are important:

climate change and environmental remediation, and economic equity. The rest is all crap. If you have nothing thoughtful to say, please do it silently and leave the board.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Unfortunately, it is. But for all the wrong reasons.
Now you're gonna make fun of Jongs? He's on your side you fool!

Yeah, don't bother. I was joking.



I was talking about the thread in general...

Never mind.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You don't have "your" reality and I don't have "mine". We don't live in separate realities, we live ONE reality.
climate change and environmental remediation, and economic equity. The rest is all crap. If you have nothing thoughtful to say, please do it silently and leave the board.


Well said, M'lady!!

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You don't have "your" reality and I don't have "mine". We don't live in separate realities, we live ONE reality.
climate change and environmental remediation, and economic equity. The rest is all crap. If you have nothing thoughtful to say, please do it silently and leave the board.


Well said, M'lady!!


Oh yeah, well said. For a totalitarian fascist who only sees things HER way, and wants to stifle and silence anyone who dares to think or say different.



Heil Siggy!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:06 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh yeah, well said. For a totalitarian fascist who only sees things HER way, and wants to stifle and silence anyone who dares to think or say different.
Not so bad for a factual scientist-type who only sees things THE SCIENTIFIC way, and wants to stifle and silence anyone who dares to think or say different THAT'S FULL OF SHIT.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh yeah, well said. For a totalitarian fascist who only sees things HER way, and wants to stifle and silence anyone who dares to think or say different.
Not so bad for a factual scientist-type who only sees things THE SCIENTIFIC way, and wants to stifle and silence anyone who dares to think or say different THAT'S FULL OF SHIT.


If you have nothing thoughtful to say, please do it silently and leave the board.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:55 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If you have nothing thoughtful to say, please do it silently and leave the board.
Good words.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Oh yeah, well said. For a totalitarian fascist who only sees things HER way, and wants to stifle and silence anyone who dares to think or say different.
If you thought, differently or similarly, that would be a step in the right direction. But you don't think.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If you have nothing thoughtful to say, please do it silently and leave the board.
Good words.


So, you respond favorably to the demands of an authoritative fascist, do you ?

That's nice.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:13 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, you respond favorably to the demands of an authoritative fascist, do you ?
That's YOUR label, d*ckhead.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, you respond favorably to the demands of an authoritative fascist, do you ?
That's YOUR label, d*ckhead.


Siggy's words, which you apparently lap up.

Good boy.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Good boy.
Tomorrow I'll be a bad boy again; you'll still be a d*ckhead.

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Monday, April 7, 2014 12:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Irrespective of the rightwing, who can fill post after post with nothing of substance, my message was to the liberals here.

The history has been/ is being written of our most recent Democratic Presidents:
Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

Carter was a little before I got into politics. I generally liked him- I thought he was a humble and practical man who put solar collectors on the WH roof and urged people to wear sweaters in order to save energy. Under him and his UN Ambassador Andrew Young, the term "human rights" came into wide usage. He handled the Love Canal crisis. But he made a few notable fumbles, specifically, he couldn't imagine the perfidy of Ronald Reagan negotiating with the Iranian terrorists behind his back to hold the hostages until after the Presidential election (part of the Iran-Contra scandal that followed Reagan into the Presidence). And he funded the Taliban and fellow "freedom fighters" (bin Laden) at the urging of Zbigniew Brzezinski because he thought it was more important to chase the Soviets out of Afghnanistan rather than having them dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century.

What WIKI SAYS ABOUT CARTER:
Quote:
[His] administration suffered from his inexperience in politics. Carter paid too much attention to detail. He frequently backed down from confrontation and was quick to retreat when attacked by political rivals. He appeared to be indecisive and ineffective, and did not define his priorities clearly. He seemed to be distrustful and uninterested in working with other groups, or even with Congress when controlled by his own party, as well as fellow Democratic senators which he denounced for being controlled by special interest groups. Though he made efforts to address many of these issues in 1978, the approval he won from his reforms did not last long.


Clinton is much less well-meaning. He did one good thing: He raised the minimum wage. For that, he was forgiven for fumbling health care reform, signing the DOMA, signing the DMCA, repealing Glass-Steagall (which created our 2008 nightmare), signing the commodities futures trading reform (which gave us Enron), "reforming" welfare, and breaking up Yugoslavia.

But, hey, he raised the minimum wage! So I guess all of the liberals are good with his administration!

And and now for Obama.
Obama's term is not yet over and his history isn't written yet. I would say that Obama, as the first half-black man, was a historically-elected President elected in historic times, as the USA was experiencing THE WORST DEPRESSION since the 1930s. A greater man, or a person with greater historic insight, would have tried to fix at least some of the problems which led to the financial collapse.
On the other hand, what we have here is a secretive President who is sensitive to being dissed, and who has ping-ponged from one crisis to another like a ball in a pinball machine. Before he even wound down the other wars and closed Guantanamo, he invaded yet one other nation (Libya. Why?) and was aiming at two more (Syria, Ukraine). Instead of healing the economic rift between haves and have-nots, the Fed (under his watch) shat money on any bank that was able to open it coffers wide enough. I could say a lot more, but I ran out of time.

But it seems to me that liberals in general are betrayed by their Presidents over and over.


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Monday, April 7, 2014 12:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:
A greater man, or a person with greater historic insight, would have tried to fix at least some of the problems which led to the financial collapse.



That's been my biggest beef w/ the guy, since day 1. He talks of " focusing like a laser beam " on jobs, but it's nothing but lip service for his base. He never had ANY intention of getting the economy up and running. Even when he had the House under Nancy Pelosi's control, he instead went for Health Care, and totally botched that up as well!

Also, I'd say that...


" it seems to me that ALL AMERICANS in general are betrayed by their Presidents over and over. "

is a more accurate statement.

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