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Whose Side Is God on Now?

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


By Patrick J. Buchanan

In his Kremlin defense of Russia’s annexation of Crimea, Vladimir Putin, even before he began listing the battles where Russian blood had been shed on Crimean soil, spoke of an older deeper bond.

Crimea, said Putin, “is the location of ancient Khersones, where Prince Vladimir was baptized. His spiritual feat of adopting Orthodoxy predetermined the overall basis of the culture, civilization and human values that unite the peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.”

Russia is a Christian country, Putin was saying.

This speech recalls last December’s address where the former KGB chief spoke of Russia as standing against a decadent West:

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values. Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”

Heard any Western leader, say, Barack Obama, talk like that lately?

Indicting the “Bolsheviks” who gave away Crimea to Ukraine, Putin declared, “May God judge them.”

What is going on here?

With Marxism-Leninism a dead faith, Putin is saying the new ideological struggle is between a debauched West led by the United States and a traditionalist world Russia would be proud to lead.

In the new war of beliefs, Putin is saying, it is Russia that is on God’s side. The West is Gomorrah.

Western leaders who compare Putin’s annexation of Crimea to Hitler’s Anschluss with Austria, who dismiss him as a “KGB thug,” who call him “the alleged thief, liar and murderer who rules Russia,” as the Wall Street Journal’s Holman Jenkins did, believe Putin’s claim to stand on higher moral ground is beyond blasphemous.

But Vladimir Putin knows exactly what he is doing, and his new claim has a venerable lineage. The ex-Communist Whittaker Chambers who exposed Alger Hiss as a Soviet spy, was, at the time of his death in 1964, writing a book on “The Third Rome.”

The first Rome was the Holy City and seat of Christianity that fell to Odoacer and his barbarians in 476 A.D. The second Rome was Constantinople, Byzantium, (today’s Istanbul), which fell to the Turks in 1453. The successor city to Byzantium, the Third Rome, the last Rome to the old believers, was — Moscow.

Putin is entering a claim that Moscow is the Godly City of today and command post of the counter-reformation against the new paganism.

Putin is plugging into some of the modern world’s most powerful currents.

Not only in his defiance of what much of the world sees as America’s arrogant drive for global hegemony. Not only in his tribal defense of lost Russians left behind when the USSR disintegrated.

He is also tapping into the worldwide revulsion of and resistance to the sewage of a hedonistic secular and social revolution coming out of the West.

In the culture war for the future of mankind, Putin is planting Russia’s flag firmly on the side of traditional Christianity. His recent speeches carry echoes of John Paul II whose Evangelium Vitae in 1995 excoriated the West for its embrace of a “culture of death.”

What did Pope John Paul mean by moral crimes?

The West’s capitulation to a sexual revolution of easy divorce, rampant promiscuity, pornography, homosexuality, feminism, abortion, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, assisted suicide — the displacement of Christian values by Hollywood values.

Washington Post columnist Anne Applebaum writes that she was stunned when in Tbilisi to hear a Georgian lawyer declare of the former pro-Western regime of Mikhail Saakashvili, “They were LGBT.”

“It was an eye-opening moment,” wrote Applebaum. Fear and loathing of the same-sex-marriage pandemic has gone global. In Paris, a million-man Moral Majority marched in angry protest.

Author Masha Gessen, who has written a book on Putin, says of his last two years, “Russia is remaking itself as the leader of the anti-Western world.”

But the war to be waged with the West is not with rockets. It is a cultural, social, moral war where Russia’s role, in Putin’s words, is to “prevent movement backward and downward, into chaotic darkness and a return to a primitive state.”

Would that be the “chaotic darkness” and “primitive state” of mankind, before the Light came into the world?

This writer was startled to read in the Jan-Feb. newsletter from the social conservative World Council of Families in Rockford, Ill., that, of the “ten best trends” in the world in 2013, number one was “Russia Emerges as Pro-Family Leader.”

In 2013, the Kremlin imposed a ban on homosexual propaganda, a ban on abortion advertising, a ban on abortions after 12 weeks and a ban on sacrilegious insults to religious believers.

“While the other super-powers march to a pagan world-view,” writes WCF’s Allan Carlson, “Russia is defending Judeo-Christian values. During the Soviet era, Western communists flocked to Moscow. This year, World Congress of Families VII will be held in Moscow, Sept. 10-12.”

Will Vladimir Putin give the keynote?

In the new ideological Cold War, whose side is God on now?

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:46 AM

REAVERFAN


Thanks for the laugh!

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Thanks for the laugh!


Where do you find the humor ?

I think Mr Buchanan has a good bead on Vlad.

Best to know how such leaders view the world, and their place in it, don' ya think ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:27 AM

REAVERFAN


No, Pat's a senile idiot, spewing the same nonsense all the Christofascists say. He's a useless, hypocritical, con man windbag who's never been right about anything.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by reaverfan:
No, Pat's a senile idiot, spewing the same nonsense all the Christofascists say. He's a useless, hypocritical, con man windbag who's never been right about anything.


So, you are deaf to anything that Putin actually says, huh ?

Because Pat comments on it.

Got it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:00 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Ya gotta remember, if you're old enough, that Buchanan was the Press Secretary and principal spokesman for Richard Nixon during the Watergate and impeachment crises.

He's also a good Catholic.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:44 AM

JONGSSTRAW


It's clear that Putin and Buchanan are basing their concept of American values based on what they see every day in the pornographic mainstream and entertainment media. I won't deny that traditionalists and conservatives have lost some battles recently in the culture war, but we're far from the godless secular progressive socialist dystopia that some perceive us as.

As for God, I don't believe he ever chose a "side" in anything. As Shepherd Book said "belief" is what makes things happen. Belief in something to motivate one's self and others. It doesn't always mean God.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:08 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Ya gotta remember, if you're old enough, that Buchanan was the Press Secretary and principal spokesman for Richard Nixon during the Watergate and impeachment crises.


Ron Ziegler was Nixon's Press Secretary and spokesman, NOT Buchanan. Pat Buchanan worked as a White House adviser and speechwriter for Nixon.

Buchanan is credited with creating the term "Silent Majority". Later, Jerry Falwell embellished that term to "Moral Majority". I used to believe that both existed, but after the last two presidential elections I no longer do.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:52 PM

REAVERFAN


I beg to differ. Robertson and Falwell cannot be considered moral in any sense of the word. They are both con men, liars, and whores for money.

They speak for no one other than the rubes they swindle. They have no status as representatives of anything "moral."

You and I are both far more moral than they will ever be.


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Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:07 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Ya gotta remember, if you're old enough, that Buchanan was the Press Secretary and principal spokesman for Richard Nixon during the Watergate and impeachment crises.


Ron Ziegler was Nixon's Press Secretary and spokesman, NOT Buchanan. Pat Buchanan worked as a White House adviser and speechwriter for Nixon.

Buchanan is credited with creating the term "Silent Majority". Later, Jerry Falwell embellished that term to "Moral Majority". I used to believe that both existed, but after the last two presidential elections I no longer do.

I stand corrected on the matter of act. I still remember him as Nixon's mouthpiece.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


G

"... While many previously state-owned industries were privatized, Putin allegedly has used his power to build large secret ownership stakes several multi-billion dollar commodity firms. His most vocal critics assert that Putin has leveraged his power to acquire a 4.5% ownership stake in natural gas producer Gazprom, a 37% stake in oil company Surgutneftegas and 50% stake in Swiss oil-trader Gunvor. Gazprom alone does over $150 billion in revenue annually, Guvnor does $80 billion and Surgutneftegas over $20 billion. Using their most recent market capitalizations, Putin's (alleged) combined ownership stakes would give him a personal net worth of $70 billion!"

"The claims over the president's assets surfaced last month when the Russian political expert Stanislav Belkovsky* gave an interview to the German newspaper Die Welt. They have since been repeated in the Washington Post and the Moscow Times, with speculation over the fortune appearing on the internet."

(Belkovsky) "Putin's name doesn't appear on any shareholders' register, of course. There is a non-transparent scheme of successive ownership of offshore companies and funds."

* Belkovsky also claims Putin is gay in his recently published book:

A new biography of Vladimir Putin paints a picture of the Russian president as a 'traumatised' man and speculates that he might be homosexual.

Moscow political scientist Stanislav Belkovsky's book 'Putin' claims the rumoured affair between the president and an Olympic gymnast was an invention by his PR team and that he might be 'latently gay'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517383/Russias-Vladimir-Putin
-gay-claims-controversial-new-biography.html#ixzz2y3Awn9vt

I think the man is not above floating scandalous speculation to flog his book. Considering he's the sole source of the speculation about Putin's alleged wealth, I think you might reconsider that claim.



"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It's clear that Putin and Buchanan are basing their concept of American values based on what they see every day in the pornographic mainstream and entertainment media.
Sex is dirty.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:23 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by CHRISISALL:

Sex is dirty.

I suppose it is if one lays with sows in the slop.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:25 PM

REAVERFAN


The dictator of Russia, and former head of the KGB is the idol of teanderthals everywhere, because he gets sh*t done.

He's white, too!

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:

Sex is dirty.


Monica's blue dress is exhibit A.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:17 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Monica's blue dress is exhibit A.


Jeff Gannon's overnight stays at the whitehouse can be B.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Monica's blue dress is exhibit A.


Jeff Gannon's overnight stays at the whitehouse can be B.


How so ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


definition of a troll: "and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."


"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:07 PM

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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Monica's blue dress is exhibit A.


Jeff Gannon's overnight stays at the whitehouse can be B.


Piratenews? Is that you?

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Monica's blue dress is exhibit A.


Jeff Gannon's overnight stays at the whitehouse can be B.


Piratenews? Is that you?


Larry Sinclair says " hi ".

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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