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Here's one Republican plan for reducing health care costs
Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:15 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:What kind of heartless monster would support the ER turning away an individual because they lack insurance or aren’t dying right there on the hospital floor? You guessed it! Republicans! While prominent Republicans, like Mitt Romney, Jim DeMint and Haley Barbour have turned to the “ER’s will treat you” as a way to support the rejection of expanding Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, they are quickly changing their tunes. Now, instead of advocating for ERs to treat the uninsured like decent human beings, they aim to keep the uninsured from using emergency rooms at all. Georgia Governor Nathan Deal is lobbying on Congress to allow hospitals to turn people away from emergency rooms who lack health insurance ( http://www.times-herald.com/local/20140225-deal-ER2014-02-25T11-11-11). Let’s remember, President Reagan signed into law The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act is a 1986 which requires hospitals to provide emergency health care treatment to anyone who needs it, regardless of their citizenship or their ability to pay for the said treatments. But the Governor thinks this is all “bad facts” which made “bad law:Quote:“If they really want to get serious about lowering the cost of health care in this country, they would revisit another federal statute that has been there for a long time,” Deal told a crowd of dozens at a University of Georgia political science alumni gathering. “It came as a result of bad facts, and we have a saying that bad facts make bad law.” And with that, a Republican wants federally subsidized hospitals to turn away ill human beings who lack insurance. Certainly customary of the “pro-life” party, right? Georgia Senatorial candidate and current Congressman Paul Broun (famous for his “science is lies straight from the pit of hell” comment) has introduced a bill that would allow ERs to treat only patients who they determine have an “emergency medical condition.”Quote:“[Patient Option Act] Amends SSA title XVIII (Medicare) and the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) to allow certified medical professionals to assess the nature and extent of an emergency room patient’s illness or injury to determine whether an emergency medical condition exists (triage).” http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2900 The bill is called the Patient Option Act, only it’s not giving any patient any option. It’s giving the hospitals the option to deny service to anyone because they don’t fit the criteria of a “emergency medical condition.” There are many who support Broun’s “turn the sick away” bill, including the director of Madison Project, a Tea Party political action committee that Senator Ted Cruz helped with fundraising and has written fundraising missive for over the last few months. The director, Daniel Horowitz, has a very sadistic Hunger Games inspired solution to the issue of crowded hospitals:Quote:“If we ever plan to curb skyrocketing hospital costs and improve access to emergency care, we must address this massive unfunded federal mandate of EMTALA. Among the provisions of Rep. Paul Broun’s Patient Option Act, which is one of the best healthcare reform proposals, are some good reforms of emergency and indigent care. Under Broun’s proposal, hospitals would be allowed to turn away people from ERs if they do not have an immediate need for emergency care. This would solve the problem of illegal immigrants using ERs for primary care.” http://www.pfaw.org/category/states/texas And these are the people who say Obamacare is getting in the way of people receiving care, seeing doctors, and getting treatments? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/04/12/gop-doesnt-care-die/
Quote:“If they really want to get serious about lowering the cost of health care in this country, they would revisit another federal statute that has been there for a long time,” Deal told a crowd of dozens at a University of Georgia political science alumni gathering. “It came as a result of bad facts, and we have a saying that bad facts make bad law.”
Quote:“[Patient Option Act] Amends SSA title XVIII (Medicare) and the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) to allow certified medical professionals to assess the nature and extent of an emergency room patient’s illness or injury to determine whether an emergency medical condition exists (triage).” http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2900
Quote:“If we ever plan to curb skyrocketing hospital costs and improve access to emergency care, we must address this massive unfunded federal mandate of EMTALA. Among the provisions of Rep. Paul Broun’s Patient Option Act, which is one of the best healthcare reform proposals, are some good reforms of emergency and indigent care. Under Broun’s proposal, hospitals would be allowed to turn away people from ERs if they do not have an immediate need for emergency care. This would solve the problem of illegal immigrants using ERs for primary care.” http://www.pfaw.org/category/states/texas
Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:39 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:24 PM
Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:35 PM
REAVERFAN
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yeah, that one.
Monday, April 14, 2014 12:30 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Monday, April 14, 2014 1:58 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, April 14, 2014 6:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So Reagan got it wrong.
Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM
STORYMARK
Monday, April 14, 2014 11:32 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, April 14, 2014 11:39 AM
Monday, April 14, 2014 1:08 PM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Cute, since before the ACA, all you neocon douchebags were insisting that broader coverage wasn't necessary, because the ER never turns anyone away.
Monday, April 14, 2014 1:42 PM
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Monday, April 14, 2014 2:08 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: http://thecontributor.com/health-care/ted-cruz-who-said-uninsured-should-just-get-health-care-ers-backs-group-wants-ers-turn http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/mitt-romney-60-minutes-health-care_n_1908129.html Now, you may return to being utterly worthless, and never offering up a thought of your own.
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:16 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: According to Marky, there are only two neocon douchebags.
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:18 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:30 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: Marky said "all you neo con douchebags..." I know he considers me a neo con. I asked him for a cite. He provided a link about Cruz and a link about Romney. So instead of backing up his claim, he bitched out. Hence my quip about there only being two neo con douchebags. That explain it good enough or will I have to start drawing pictures?
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Sorry, wrong. If that's all you have to say then you lose. That makes no sense. AND it's unsubstantiated. Your every question was addressed in detail- that you can't see that merely shows your blind partisanship. You should also stop drinking that Tea-Party Kool-Aid, too. He backed up his claim, he did not 'bitch' out, and your comment was not a 'quip'. There, you are even MORE wrong. You lose. As always. You sad, angry little NeoCon.
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:52 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 3:55 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow, or a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD.
Monday, April 14, 2014 4:14 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 4:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: As I said, pure deception ( lies ) on the part of the Left, to demonize any / all opposition to Der One.
Monday, April 14, 2014 4:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: As I said, pure deception ( lies ) on the part of the Left, to demonize any / all opposition to Der One. Sorry, wrong. If that's all you have to say then you lose. That makes no sense. AND it's unsubstantiated. Your every question was addressed in detail- that you can't see that merely shows your blind partisanship. You should also stop drinking that Tea-Party Kool-Aid. You lose. As always. You sad, angry little NeoCon.
Monday, April 14, 2014 4:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'm a proud PALEO-Con !!!
Monday, April 14, 2014 4:59 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 5:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: " Behind " Sarah ? Ooooh, enough w/ the making me horny !
Monday, April 14, 2014 5:10 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 5:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: You're more of a Hillary type of guy, huh?
Monday, April 14, 2014 5:50 PM
Quote:"before the ACA, all you neocon douchebags were insisting that broader coverage wasn't necessary, because the ER never turns anyone away." "I'm sure you will have no problem providing a cite for this statement"
Monday, April 14, 2014 5:54 PM
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Monday, April 14, 2014 7:17 PM
Monday, April 14, 2014 7:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: And we should accept your valuation because you've supplied us such eloquent proof that we're not? If you have ANYthing to back up your snark, now would be the time to post it.
Monday, April 14, 2014 7:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: You're more of a Hillary type of guy, huh? Your attempt to demean me fails as well. Hmmm, you're GOOD at failure.
Monday, April 14, 2014 7:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And you're great a denial.
Monday, April 14, 2014 7:42 PM
Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:40 AM
Quote: Niki, that's great research, but it doesn't address Nobody's question. No answer can.
Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:20 PM
Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And you're great a denial.Once AGAIN, you lose. Better stop while you're a behind.
Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Rappy will never, ever stop striving for lower depths.
Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: And we should accept your valuation because you've supplied us such eloquent proof that we're not? If you have ANYthing to back up your snark, now would be the time to post it. Can't right now Rue, I'm too busy studying my HAZWOPER.
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