The Best & Worst Presidents in your lifetime by chrisisall

Best in my lifetime: JFK

Worst in my lifetime: Carter

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:27 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Best in my lifetime: JFK

Y'know, I almost picked him, but he was still down with the Vietnam War...

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:46 PM

He inherited an involvement there that started with Eisenhower. It was a real mess, with one corrupt Saigon Govt. after the next. Before his assassination he announced plans to withdraw the military "advisors". JFK made his stand against communism by blockading Cuba during the missile crisis, and with the Berlin Airlift. He wanted no part of Viet Nam. LBJ signed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which started the war for real.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 5:06 PM

Thanks Jongs, so noted in my OP.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 5:43 PM

Franklin D. Roosevelt was president when I was born.
Some of you can barely recall Jimmy Carter.

It's not fair. The elders here have more to choose from.

I disqualify myself from answering due to my lifelong political ignore.

Looking back, tho, I liked both Harry Truman & Dwight Eisenhower
on a personal level. I give Dick Nixon the edge over Bill Clinton for
shaming the office of PotUS.

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I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 7:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

JFK= best

GWB and Obama = worst, tossup

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:36 PM

Gotta rank JFK as the best. At least, most inspiring. He brought style, class and a new generation to the Presidency. I saw a piece somewhere the other day that suggested that he didn't actually accomplish much, what with being assassinated and all, but he tried. And Vietnam has to be partially charged to him, as does the Bay of Pigs.

Actually LBJ may have accomplished more that lasted: the War on Poverty and the Civil Rights Act: ( OK, go ahead, RWA's, you think those suck, accomplished nothing, and were a mistake.) but LBJ is poisoned with the War and the Protest Movement.

Worst has gotta be Bush 43, the puppet President of the neocons, who was looking from day 1 for an excuse to re-start his Daddy's war with Saddam, and took advantage of 9/11 to do it, completely fraudulently.

Obama has not been very effective. I think maybe he's doing what he thinks the President is supposed to do, from a constitutional law professor perspective, and expecting Congress to do what they're SUPPOSED to do.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:43 PM

OONJ, my Dad lived thru the Depression and the War, served in the Navy. He thought FDR was about one tiny notch below Jesus as the savior of mankind, and ranted about "poor little Harry Truman," who must have been about as close to an ordinary average guy as it's possible to be, and how HST was mistreated by the Media and the Powers That Be.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:44 PM

ELVISCHRIST

Best: Hmmm... Jury's still out.

Worst: Reagan. Seriously. Somebody shoulda shot that guy.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:55 PM

^ Not actually very funny.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Best: Hmmm... Jury's still out.

Worst: Reagan. Seriously. Somebody shoulda shot that guy.

Thass the trouble with those liberal hippie anti-gun peaceniks.. When they do shoot, they can't hit fer shit.

And sorry, that ain't really funny either.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Best: Hmmm... Jury's still out.

Worst: Reagan. Seriously. Somebody shoulda shot that guy.

Violent Left wing assholes. Classic.

Reagan was, by far, the single best President in the last 100 years. Period.

Worst ? Obama.

So far.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

best --- JFK

He was the last president who, I believe, wasn't run by the military-industrial-complex or the international klepto-corporatocracy.

Worst ... that's a tough choice. Clinton opened the door to financialism and turning us all into serfs of the 1%. Dumbya was pedal-to-the-metal all the way over the cliff in tanking the government's finances, splatting US neo-con militarism all over the globe, turning the US into Big Brother, and bringing down the global economy. And Obama - he just wants to do what Dumbya did - just better. Mmmmmmm - I'd say Dumbya edges out Obama, just b/c of the policies of the political parties involved.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Violent Left wing assholes. Classic.

Yeah Rap. Those juvenile jerkoffs either don't know or think it's funny that Reagan was shot during an assassination attempt in 1981. John Hinkley got off 6 shots at Reagan as he walked out of a hotel to get into his limo.

The first shot hit Press Secretary James Brady and exploded in his head. He was left brain-damaged and paralyzed in a wheelchair. The second shot hit a D.C. policeman in the neck. The next shot hit a Secret Service agent in the stomach as he stood in front of Reagan protecting him. His injury forced him to leave the service. The last shot bounced off the limo's bullet-proof glass and hit Reagan in the shoulder and lodged in his lung, just one inch from his heart.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 12:00 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You really are clueless to subtle irony - aren't you?

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 12:04 AM

Soak in the subtle irony here Kuku.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 12:34 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yes, it's all about you and your insecurities.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 12:50 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Best: Hmmm... Jury's still out.

Worst: Reagan. Seriously. Somebody shoulda shot that guy.

Violent Left wing assholes. Classic.

Reagan was, by far, the single best President in the last 100 years. Period.

Worst ? Obama.

So far.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Reagan sowed the seeds of the debt and wealth disparities we have today.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 1:54 AM

I thought then & now that Ronald Reagan was a pretty good actor
with a great agent, and sense enough to play the part as it was
written for him. How to you spell Puppet?

Anyone who can watch endless reruns of Bonanza is not a deep
thinker.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 5:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Reagan sowed the seeds of the debt and wealth disparities we have today.

There's no free will, by anyone in D.C. , after he left office ?

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Monday, April 28, 2014 11:47 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's easier to get things done than undone.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 12:03 PM

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Monday, April 28, 2014 12:45 PM

STORYMARK

Ill go with Clinton as best, by a wide margin. As tempting as it is to label GWB as worst - I think ill go with the senility case who hit the gas on our race toward plutocracy - Reagan.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, April 28, 2014 12:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Who is at your personal starting line of presidents? You seem like you're much younger than I am.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 1:15 PM

STORYMARK

I entered the world under Ford's watch.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, April 28, 2014 1:21 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Storymark

Oh, interesting. So your list would be Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. I think I can see how you wind up with your best & worst.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 1:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

I thought then & now that Ronald Reagan was a pretty good actor
with a great agent, and sense enough to play the part as it was
written for him. How to you spell Puppet?

Anyone who can watch endless reruns of Bonanza is not a deep
thinker.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

I remember hearing James Garner tell a story about Reagan. He was VP of the Screen Actor's Guild while RR was its president. Garner said something along the lines of: "everything Reagan said was put into his mouth by the staff. He could sound absolutely sincere and convincing about anything they told him to say, whether he believed in it or not."

Reagan ruined the great state of California- I remember, I was here before, while, and after he was Governor. Then the GOP picked him, and the voters loved him and elected him, and he messed up the entire country. We still haven't recovered. Reagan, I will admit, beat down the Russians, by acting goofy enough to scare them, and by bluffing and raising the stakes so high that they had to drop out of the game.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 1:37 PM

REAVERFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
I was very young when JFK was in office, but even so I could tell how much people liked him and how great the country FELT having him as president. We haven't come close to that since then, way more division and anger. Obama is just a big disappointment but I won't lay it all on him, he had plenty to fight right here at home. It's an immature, spoiled country, can't expect too much.
Recent knowledge on Johnson has given me new respect for him - he seemed rather hated as I recall.

TBH, there was a lot of hate for Kennedy, too. It looks and sounds a lot like the hatred for Obama today. Same people behind all of it.

I was also a baby when he died, but Johnson is known for pushing his civil rights agenda through (in spite of Johnson's own racism).

None of them were perfect, but I'm going to put Carter at "best" because he was right about energy, an if we'd listened to him then, we'd all be better off now. The Camp David accords with Sadat and Begin was a lasting accomplishment. The failed attempted hostage rescue was what ended him.

Worst? Reagan, but Bush II comes close. Ronnie set the stage for the destruction of the middle class, and everyone since has helped it along, either naively (Clinton and NAFTA), or with extreme glee (both Bushs, and now Obama with the TPP).

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Monday, April 28, 2014 2:03 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Ronnie set the stage for the destruction of the middle class, and everyone since has helped it along, either naively (Clinton and NAFTA), or with extreme glee (both Bushs, and now Obama with the TPP).

You know your history, sir!

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Monday, April 28, 2014 6:18 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Ill go with Clinton as best, by a wide margin. As tempting as it is to label GWB as worst - I think ill go with the senility case who hit the gas on our race toward plutocracy - Reagan.

I'm a fan of Clinton, but I kind of feel he was dealt a good hand. I think Obama may be the better man, but has been less successful, with a worse hand.

GWB clearly the worst, for me, for Iraq, and the deficit. But I actually think he would have been a decent cold-war president (similar to Reagan).

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, April 28, 2014 7:13 PM

Holy cow - you read my mind. I was thinking of this on Saturday, and how the top 5 worst have suddenly all grouped so close together, for the first time in history.

Top 5 Worst:
1. Barack Hussein Obama.
2. William Jefferson Blythe IV, errr Clinton.
3. Lyndon Baines Johnson
4. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
5. Jiminy Earle Carter.

Hard to believe that upon reflection, there were actually 2 worse than Carter that preceeded him, but I'm heavily weighting the disasterous military command of 3 & 4.
Plus, 3 & 4 might be interchangeable.
Hard to believe no Wilson on the list.

Top 5 Best:
Reagan, Lincoln, Kennedy, Jefferson, Washington. Wasn't thinking about this on Saturday, so I'd have to ponder to get the order correct. Certainly RWR is the greatest in memory of anybody living.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:33 AM

STORYMARK

Aw, that's hilarious. JSF doesn't get the meaning of the word "lifetime."

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:48 PM

ELVISCHRIST

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Aw, that's hilarious. JSF doesn't get the meaning of the word "lifetime."

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

He's a 250 year-old sockpuppet. :)

James Brady was so upset with the security situation when Reagan was shot that he said he had half a mind to quit.

The only shame about Reagan's shooting was that Hinckley didn't use a big enough gun to do the job. After all, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a gun.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:45 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Aw, that's hilarious. JSF doesn't get the meaning of the word "lifetime."

His posts are of the same calibre as his reading comprehension.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:32 PM

re: Hinckley's marksmanship ...
He needed a shotgun.

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“History is a set of lies agreed upon.” ~Napoleon Bonaparte

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

He needed a shotgun.

Oh, see, now that's not nice. Killing ain't acceptable unless it's in an instant of self defence.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:20 PM

He did it for the Love of Jodie!
And I bet she never even wrote to him later. :(

Did Lee Harvey Oswald shoot (at) Kennedy out of love?
I think not!

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I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:28 PM

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Aw, that's hilarious. JSF doesn't get the meaning of the word "lifetime."

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Aha. OP did not read my mind correctly. I was thinking history of POTUS.

Instead of starting the thread I had planned, I'll just post the lifetime bit here.
Top 5 worst:
1. Barack Hussein Obama. Why - really? Take your pick, any subject. On Inauguration Day he installed a new button on his desk, labeled WRONG. Every time he needs to make a decision, he hits that button, every single time.
2. William Jefferson Blythe IV. Only POTUS Impeached twice. One of only 2 POTUS ever Impeached, and the other was needed to establish legal precedent.
3. Lyndon Baines Johnson. Massacred the military in Vietnam despite being sworn to lead and defend them, and known to be the most weaselly, corrupt, despicable officeholder since FDR.
4. Jiminy Earl Carter. Incompetent military leader, Economic planner. Started the Disasterous Dept of Education so that America could start to have it's students fail on a consistent basis - we still have not recovered from this.
5. Leslie Lynch King Jr. - err, Gerald Ford. Pardoned the draft dodgers, corrupting the electorate, from which we may never recover. Also prevented RWR from leading the country in 1977, thus forcing us into the wreck of Carter's economy.

Top 5 best;
1. Ronald Wilson Reagan. Ended Cold War, initiated the juggernaut called Reaganomics.
2. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. The last gasp of responsible Democrats, fighting the racist liberals which ended up taking over the party.
3. George W. Bush. Proposed the most fiscally conservative budget in 80 years, which would have paid off the Federal Debt by 2010 - but 9/11 ended that dream.
4. Richard Milhouse Nixon. Regarding China Communists, accomplished what all the liberal Democrats before him could not. Last one to create a surplus budget, paying down the debt a little.
5. George Herbert Walker Bush. Tried to balance the Federal Budget, but trusting those deceitful Democrats to honor their word was foolhardy and disasterous.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:52 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

He did it for the Love of Jodie!
And I bet she never even wrote to him later. :(

Did Lee Harvey Oswald shoot (at) Kennedy out of love?
I think not!

Tricky question. You don't think Oswald shot Kennedy, shot at Kennedy, or tried to due to love?

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Instead of starting the thread I had planned, I'll just post the lifetime bit here.
Top 5 worst:
1. Barack Hussein Obama.
2. William Jefferson Blythe IV.
3. Lyndon Baines Johnson.
4. Jiminy Earl Carter.
5. Leslie Lynch King Jr. - err, Gerald Ford.

Top 5 best;
1. Ronald Wilson Reagan. Ended Cold War, initiated the juggernaut called Reaganomics.
2. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. The last gasp of responsible Democrats, fighting the racist liberals which ended up taking over the party.
3. George W. Bush. Proposed the most fiscally conservative budget in 80 years, which would have paid off the Federal Debt by 2010 - but 9/11 ended that dream.
4. Richard Milhouse Nixon.
5. George Herbert Walker Bush.

Two things, first- this ain't your gorram thread so start your own to go on a listing rant, and second- you are a very serious dumass with no real knowledge of what you are saying, so PLEASE, eff-off, K?

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:31 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Oh, see, now that's not nice. Killing ain't acceptable unless it's in an instant of self defence.

You have resisted multiple times to join your liberal friends in wishing or joking that Reagan somehow deserved to be killed when he was shot at. You've actually chastised them too. I respect you for your stand.

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Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:32 PM

Off topic. Deleted by Oonj.

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Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Instead of starting the thread I had planned, I'll just post the lifetime bit here.
Top 5 worst:
1. Barack Hussein Obama.
2. William Jefferson Blythe IV.
3. Lyndon Baines Johnson.
4. Jiminy Earl Carter.
5. Leslie Lynch King Jr. - err, Gerald Ford.

Top 5 best;
1. Ronald Wilson Reagan. Ended Cold War, initiated the juggernaut called Reaganomics.
2. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. The last gasp of responsible Democrats, fighting the racist liberals which ended up taking over the party.
3. George W. Bush. Proposed the most fiscally conservative budget in 80 years, which would have paid off the Federal Debt by 2010 - but 9/11 ended that dream.
4. Richard Milhouse Nixon.
5. George Herbert Walker Bush.
Two things, first- this ain't your gorram thread so start your own to go on a listing rant

You seem to be moody at this point. This is a list as requested in your OP. Did you expect to only see duplicates of your list?

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Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:00 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity

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Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You seem to be moody at this point.

FUCK YOU; I am NOT moody, bitch ! !

Well, maybe a little bit...

Quote:
This is a list as requested in your OP.

Not really, I asked for best & worst, one and one, not a gorram list of your ruttin' bad & good picks.
Again, READING COMPREHENSION!!!

Oh shit, turning green again.... Grrrr ARGHHHHH!!!!!

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:14 PM

I see. The plural in the header got me, plus I was thinking top 5 for the list in my head.
You did imply one of each, and I did not infer.
My bad. Sorry.

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Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:28 PM

No problem. I only ended up smashing a few older cars this time.

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Friday, May 9, 2014 7:20 PM