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West Antarctic Ice Sheet's Collapse Triggers Sea Level Warning

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Monday, May 12, 2014 8:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/west-antarctic-ice-sheets-c
ollapse-triggers-sea-level-warning-n103221




Two teams of scientists say the long-feared collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has begun, kicking off what they say will be a centuries-long, "unstoppable" process that could raise sea levels by as much as 15 feet.

"There's been a lot of speculation about the stability of marine ice sheets, and many scientists suspected that this kind of behavior is under way," Ian Joughin, a glaciologist at the University of Washington in Seattle, said in a news release about one of the studies published Monday. "This study provides a more qualitative idea of the rates at which the collapse could take place."

The findings from Joughin and his colleagues, appearing in the journal Science, indicate that in some places, Antarctica's Thwaites Glacier is losing tens of feet, or several meters, of ice elevation every year.

They estimate that Thwaites Glacier would probably disappear entirely in somewhere between 200 and 1,000 years. That loss would raise global sea levels by nearly 2 feet (60 centimeters). The glacier serves as a linchpin for the rest of the West Antarctic Ice sheet, which has enough frozen mass to cause another 10 to 13 feet (3 to 4 meters) of sea level rise.

A second study, published in Geophysical Research Letters, reports the widespread retreat of Thwaites and other glaciers on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet — and says the retreat can't help but continue.

"It has passed the point of no return," the research team's leader, Eric Rignot of the University of California at Irvine, told reporters during a NASA teleconference on Monday. The second study projected that the glacial retreat in Antarctica's Amundsen Sea Embayment, which includes Thwaites Glacier, would result in 4 feet (1.2 meters) of sea level rise — and open the way to more widespread retreats.

Rignot's team based their findings on a detailed analysis of radar data from two European Earth Remote Sensing satelllites, ERS-1 and ERS-2. Joughin's team relied on radar maps primarily derived from an aerial NASA survey called Operation IceBridge.

Scientists have been warning for decades that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet was in peril due to climate change, and recent readings have shown that the region is warming more quickly than expected. The loss of ice that is floating on the seas surrounding the continent would not contribute significantly to sea level rise. However, losing the ice that's currently grounded on the continent would.

A moment of 'wow'

The two studies released on Monday document the glaciers' retreat and project what's likely to happen in the future. "We finally have hit this point where we have enough observations to put this all together, to say, 'Wow, we really are in this state.'" NASA scientist Tom Wagner told reporters.

The key findings in both studies relate to what's happening to the "grounding line" for Antarctica's glaciers. That's the subsurface boundary between ice that is floating on the sea and ice that is anchored to land.

"The grounding line is buried under a thousand or more meters of ice, so it is incredibly challenging for a human observer on the ice sheet surface to figure out exactly where the transition is," Rignot explained in a NASA news release. “This analysis is best done using satellite techniques."

The radar readings from both teams show that the grounding line for some areas of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has retreated by as much as 20 miles (37 kilometers) over the past couple of decades, apparently due to the interaction with warmer seas. The main worry is that there appears to be no submerged hill or mountain that could slow down further retreat.

Rignot said that means the glacial retreat has triggered a process of "positive feedback."

"We feel that this is at the point where even if the ocean is not providing additional heat, the system is in a chain reaction that is unstoppable," he told reporters.

Joughin said computer models produce a wide range of scenarios for the collapse of Thwaites Glacier. Some scenarios suggest that the glacier could last more than a millennium longer, but the most likely scenarios predict that rapid collapse would occur somewhere between 200 and 500 years from now.

What lies ahead

Higher greenhouse-gas emissions would lead to faster ice loss, and lower emissions could slow down the meltdown. But in any case, the loss of Thwaites Glacier appears inevitable, Joughin said: "All of our simulations show it will retreat at less than a millimeter of sea level rise per year for a couple of hundred years, and then, boom, it just starts to really go."

In its most recent assessment, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change estimated that global sea levels were likely to rise between 4 inches and 3 feet (10 to 90 centimeters) by the year 2100. Sridhar Anandakrishnan, a geoscientist at Penn State University who didn't play a role in either study, said future IPCC estimates "will almost certainly be revised, and revised upwards."

"The IPCC projections don't really include Antarctic contributions to any great measure," he told reporters. "The results are just now starting to come together."

Anandakrishnan said future middle-of-the-road estimates for 2100 may well zero in on the top end of the current IPCC projection, around 3 feet. Without mitigating measures, that amount of sea level rise would inundate significant areas of coastal cities including Miami Beach, New Orleans and New York.

David Shean / Univ. of Washington
A high-resolution radar map shows Thwaites Glacier’s thinning ice shelf. Warm circumpolar deep water is melting the underside of this floating shelf, leading to a speedup in the glacier's retreat. This glacier now appears to be in the early stages of collapse, with full collapse potentially occurring within a few centuries.

In addition to Rignot, the authors of the paper in Geophysical Research Letters, "Widespread, Rapid Grounding Line Retreat of Pine Island, Thwaites, Smith and Kohler Glaciers, West Antarctica From 1992 to 2011," include Jeremie Mouginot, Mathieu Morlighem, Helene Seroussi and Bernd Scheuchl.

In addition to Joughin, the authors of the paper in Science, "Marine Ice Sheet Collapse Potentially Underway for the Thwaites Glacier Basin, West Antarctica," include Benjamin Smith and Brooke Medley.
First published May 12th 2014, 9:02 am


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Monday, May 12, 2014 11:10 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
centuries-long



There are cave man dwellings well below the waves of the Caribbean. Macon Ga, near the centre of the state, use to be where the ancient shoreline reached.

The planet changes, my dear. Always.

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Monday, May 12, 2014 11:24 PM

MIKER

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Monday, May 12, 2014 11:29 PM

AURAPTOR

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Lotta nice real estate under all that ice.

Kinda looks a bit like Middle Earth, for some reason.

Good thing it's heading into WINTER down there, huh?

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Monday, May 12, 2014 11:36 PM

MIKER

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Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:38 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Saw this the other day. Scientists are saying it might be irreversible.


But-- they're saying the sea level might rise about 4 meters, or 16 feet, over the next 200 to 1000 YEARS.

I don't wanta sound like RAP, but that's a long time, a REALLY *L*O*N*G* time. My life expectancy is only about 20 more.

And I live in Long Beach, an ocean front town, but I live high enough up the hill, and back from the beachfront, and not in the flood zones. Downtown might be swimming in it, my daughter's job at the Aquarium might be in a tide pool, but I don't think it will directly affect me.

Lots of indirect economic effects, I'm sure, and I don't approve of global warming, but if it's irreversible, it's too late.

I've been a good boy all my life- during a drought about 10 years ago, they said to save water by turning the water off while you shave. Rather than make that simple little change of my habits, I made a different one: I stopped shaving, except about once a month. I'm not happier, just more hairy-faced. But look at all that water I'm saving.

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Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:53 PM

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Friday, May 16, 2014 12:22 AM

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Friday, May 16, 2014 1:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:
As for giving up change because it is too late, why not just start polluting more and make certain we destroy the only life sustaining planet in the Universe we know of. Why should I care because I will be gone before it affects me? That's a great philosophy and goes a long way in explaining why we are faced with this global warming problem.


Just like a child. Don't get your way, don't understand the issue, and you go all " just start polluting more ! " Whaah!

Good grief. Show some respect.

No one is claiming we pollute more. Sheer idiotic thing to say.

You could actually get most, if not everyone , on board for cleaning up our act some, but this gestapo crap of forcing carbon taxes and climate change mandates... unnecessary and liable to have the opposite effect as intended.

You warm-mongers just need to knock it the hell off.

Quote:


People like to include jobs in this argument. How many would be lost and the economics behind tighter controls on industry. I would say if sea levels rise a foot to a foot and a half the effects on the worlds cities would be disastrous and the costs beyond reach.


But what of the jobs created by moving and building new cities ? Don't the proggies just LOVE the econoics of the busted window ? Hey, it creates new work which otherwise wouldn't occur, right ?



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Friday, May 16, 2014 3:35 AM

OONJERAH


MIT Tech Review

How Much Will It Cost to Solve Climate Change?
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527196/how-much-will-it-cost-to-s
olve-climate-change/

"Although major reports conclude that avoiding climate change is
affordable, costs could skyrocket without smart, immediate action."


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Friday, May 16, 2014 8:02 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

But what of the jobs created by moving and building new cities ? Don't the proggies just LOVE the econoics of the busted window ? Hey, it creates new work which otherwise wouldn't occur, right ?
Actually, that's an extreme Righty thing...


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Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:16 AM

OONJERAH



Ok ... Not sure the math is correct in this article. But the figures
about the masses of ice remaining on the planet now that so much of
it has already melted, are awesome!

How salty won't the Oceans be after it all melts?

Glaciologist Richard Alley explains that losing West Antarctica would produce 10 feet of sea
level rise in coming centuries. That's comparable to the flooding from Sandy—but permanent.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/inquiring-minds-richard
-alley-antarctica-greenland-sandy

"The ice sheets covering Antarctica and Greenland are incredibly massive—Antarctica's ice is more than two miles thick in places and 5.4 million square miles in extent. These ice sheets are so large, in fact, that gravitational attraction pulls the surrounding ocean toward them. The sea level therefore rises upward at an angle as you approach an ice sheet, and slopes downward and away as you leave its presence."


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Sunday, May 25, 2014 7:35 PM

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Sunday, May 25, 2014 10:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Interesting. It's the same ... but different.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, May 26, 2014 12:38 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
]Originally posted by 1kiki:
Interesting. It's the same ... but different.

In some places the coastline only get moved in by a few kilometres, other lower areas like Florida disappear, and Australia & Brazil get inland seas...

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Monday, May 26, 2014 12:45 PM

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Monday, May 26, 2014 3:44 PM

OONJERAH



Can we close the borders on Florida as it's going under?


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Monday, May 26, 2014 3:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh interesting - not only is Florida gone, but so is a whole lot of the mouth of the Mississippi. Bye bye to big chunks of Alabama and Mississippi. Cuba though is still there. I wonder who god is punishing with that?

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:04 PM

WISHIMAY


I get beach front property! Yay!

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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:07 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I get beach front property! Yay!
Looks like I do too! Screw it, bring on the greenhouse gasses, baby!!


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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Bummer....

I can't afford Cable TV.

How does this affect me in the next 10-15 years Niki?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:17 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Bummer....

I can't afford Cable TV.

How does this affect me in the next 10-15 years
It means the flood will be televised, you just won't see it.

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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:36 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Actually, that's an extreme Righty thing...


Done a lot of thinking about that over the years. As loathsome as it is, it's correct. Couple years ago, we got hit by some massive storms, tornadoes, hail, you name it. Now, everyone in the county has a new roof, new siding, windows, landscaping, ect. Couple of these towns would have been ghost towns ten, twenty years from now. Falling apart...No one had the kind of money to do all those things. Our area is just going gangbusters now. New business and everything, paving bad roads, and rebuilding the town square.

Good and bad are all relative with time and perspective. They BOTH have positive and negative responses, most people ignore the good things that happen as an effect of the bad because of emotions. Villains can be just as motivating as a hero. I'm sure even villains would say what they were doing wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but things they did as a means to an end of their agenda. And we all have done that. Little things we rationalize out as ok. Maybe the only difference between you and a villain is they are capable of rationalizing that people and animals and the planet don't matter in the end. And maybe they don't matter in the end, maybe they only matter at the time, and only as much as they WANT to(with adult people)...

There's little we can do to stop this planet from flooding. I've been seeing that flood map since I was a kid. If you are really worried about it, DON'T LIVE IN A FLOOD ZONE. There never was any guarantees in this life or on this planet. Sad but true. It would be nice if we could see the future, but then again, it would take all the fun out wouldn't it???

Just call me Wishimay-be-evil-or-good, it's all relative anyway....


We don't even care whether or not we care. And, yes I am allergic to you.






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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:44 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Done a lot of thinking about that over the years. As loathsome as it is, it's correct.
"None of it means a Damn thing."

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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

But what of the jobs created by moving and building new cities ? Don't the proggies just LOVE the econoics of the busted window ? Hey, it creates new work which otherwise wouldn't occur, right ?
Actually, that's an extreme Righty thing...



Actually, you're way wrong. Yet again.

Parable of the broken window

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window#Criticisms


Which sadly follows this inane logic...

Pelosi: Food Stamps and Unemployment Give ‘Biggest Bang for Our Buck’

http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/10/pelosi-food-stamps-and-unemploym
ent-give-biggest-bang-for-our-buck/

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Monday, May 26, 2014 4:58 PM

MIKER

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Monday, May 26, 2014 5:13 PM

WISHIMAY


I read the whole wiki page. Thank you.




And as my husband says "Anything you do, including NOTHING, is probably the wrong thing"

He uses that as an excuse to do NOTHING.

I say we're going to deal with consequences anyway, might as well do what we want within reason...

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Monday, May 26, 2014 5:23 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
"None of it means a Damn thing."


You'd be surprised how much that runs through my head.

I know I've posted this before but not lately. I read an article once that says that the power of creation in the universe is only .01 percent greater than the power of destruction and THAT'S why there's so much universe and matter, over time.

That .01 percent is all that makes it matter(no pun intended), that keeps me running some days. I'm not sure WHAT it is, but it's THERE. Good enough for me...

We're ALL .01 percent greater. Every one of us.

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Monday, May 26, 2014 5:49 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:


Actually, you're way wrong. Yet again.

Parable of the broken window

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window#Criticisms


Which sadly follows this inane logic...

Pelosi: Food Stamps and Unemployment Give ‘Biggest Bang for Our Buck’

http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/10/pelosi-food-stamps-and-unemploym
ent-give-biggest-bang-for-our-buck/]



Dont think your parable proved anything one way or another, seeing as though the web page went on to provide a number of different interpretations which backed up Chris.

Including this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_capitalism

Food stamps I just dont get. Seems demeaning to me. You'd be better off paying unemployment benefits so that people can choose what they spend them on.

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Monday, May 26, 2014 6:11 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Food stamps I just dont get. Seems demeaning to me. You'd be better off paying unemployment benefits so that people can choose what they spend them on.
They're designed to be demeaning. The thinking is that you'll want to get off them ASAP. It's a mean-ness thing.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 9:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Food stamps I just dont get. Seems demeaning to me. You'd be better off paying unemployment benefits so that people can choose what they spend them on.
They're designed to be demeaning. The thinking is that you'll want to get off them ASAP. It's a mean-ness thing.


Yeah. Self sufficiency is mean as hell,huh ?

And they in no way backed up Chris's point. They debunked it, entirely.

And also ? There's this -

Posted at 06:18 PM ET, 09/28/2012
Antarctic sea ice reaches greatest extent so late in season, 2nd largest extent on record


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/antarcti
c-sea-ice-reaches-greatest-extent-so-late-in-season-2nd-largest-extent-on-record/2012/09/28/472625d8-098e-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:37 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

And also ? There's this -

Either you don't read what you post, or you read it but you don't understand it.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:57 PM

AURAPTOR

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Read it . No one understands it.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 3:50 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Read it . No one understands it.
Well, I understand it. I'm sure as Hell that Signy would. But you don't have enough clear & untainted info in your noggin to be able to make sense of it. No shame though, we're all inclined to be knowledgeable about what interests us, and let other folk tell us what to think about stuff we cant make sense of for ourselves...

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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From the linked aritcle...

Quote:
Even if the decrease in Arctic ice easily trumps the increase in Antarctic ice, we still haven’t resolved the paradox of why Antarctic sea ice is increasing if local and global temperatures are warming. Much has been written about this in recent weeks in different articles and blogs, so I’ll just excerpt the explanations most frequently mentioned:


Well by golly, there ya have it ! The explanation most frequently mentioned... how's THAT for scientific !

And sure, there's the mention of air temp, but what of wind and ocean currents, as it has more to do w/ melting ice in the Arctic, hmmm ?

Big ocean waves whipped up by storms hundreds or even thousands of miles away from Earth’s poles could play a bigger role in breaking up polar sea ice and thus contributing to its melt more than had been thought, a new study suggests.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/big-waves-sea-ice-climate-17490

Bollocks !


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Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:47 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The good news is that when the oceans rise and cover all the land I won't have to pay any more goddamn marina fees. Whooooopie!!

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 5:01 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The good news is that when the oceans rise and cover all the land I won't have to pay any more goddamn marina fees. Whooooopie!!


Well yeah, because we'll all be dead by the time that happens. Duh.


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Sunday, June 1, 2014 5:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"we still haven’t resolved the paradox of why Antarctic sea ice is increasing"

Sea ice. Extent. Not the only fact around and not particularly salient, but being presented over ... and over ... and over ... AND over ... again as if it was a meaningful point of discussion. No matter how many other contravening and important facts are posted in response.

Meanwhile Antarctic LAND ice VOLUME (the kind and amount that raises sea level) has been decreasing "at a rate of more than 100 cubic kilometers per year since 2002."

troll troll troll your note
slowly down the screen
nastily nastily nastily nastily
just to make 'em scream

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 6:17 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
troll troll troll your note
slowly down the screen
nastily nastily nastily nastily
just to make 'em scream
Hahahah, that was pretty gorram funny yo!

Yeah, Rap doesn't understand all the variables very well at all. More visible surface ice = volume to him.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 6:33 PM

OONJERAH



Arctic ice is decreasing.
Antarctic sea ice is decreasing.
Arctic ice is decreasing faster & may be gone in my lifetime.

I haven't gone there & looked at the ice melt with my own eyes. Never
lived on the coast to watch the ocean front property lose ground yearly.
I have to take someone's word for it.

But ... is the phrase "record high tides" now often repeated in our
coastline cities? That would be a Clue for me.


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Sunday, June 1, 2014 11:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"we still haven’t resolved the paradox of why Antarctic sea ice is increasing"

Sea ice. Extent. Not the only fact around and not particularly salient, but being presented over ... and over ... and over ... AND over ... again as if it was a meaningful point of discussion. No matter how many other contravening and important facts are posted in response.

Meanwhile Antarctic LAND ice VOLUME (the kind and amount that raises sea level) has been decreasing "at a rate of more than 100 cubic kilometers per year since 2002."




Most in how many decades ?

Relevant. No matter how much you want to dismiss.

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Monday, June 2, 2014 12:10 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Relevant. No matter how much you want to dismiss.
Ha ha ha, okay simple Rappy. Now go study your Algebra.

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Monday, June 2, 2014 4:33 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Relevant. No matter how much you want to dismiss."

"and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."

Whatever.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, June 2, 2014 5:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Thanks for the display of how much of an obsessive psycho stalker you are, 1kiki.

Seriously, do you have files with specific quotes from everyone ? Or just me ? Am I the only one who lives rent free in your brain ?

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Monday, June 2, 2014 8:22 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Seriously, do you have files with specific quotes from everyone ? Or just me ? Am I the only one who lives rent free in your brain ?
Not relevant. No matter how much you want to include.

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Monday, June 2, 2014 11:29 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity



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Monday, June 2, 2014 12:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Originally posted by AURaptor:
Thanks for the display of how much of an obsessive psycho stalker you are, 1kiki.

Seriously, do you have files with specific quotes from everyone ? Or just me ? Am I the only one who lives rent free in your brain ?
definition of a troll: "and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, June 2, 2014 2:44 PM

OONJERAH


10 Feet of Global Sea Level Rise Is Now Guaranteed
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/10-feet-of-global-sea-level-rise-now-
inevitable
[Has interactive map of "Surging Seas"]

"This is really happening,” said Thomas P. Wagner, who runs NASA’s programs
on polar ice, told the New York Times. “There’s nothing to stop it now."

But where will all of Florida's alligators and pythons go when FL sinks?
Georgia. ... No wonder some prefer denial.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Monday, June 2, 2014 2:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
10 Feet of Global Sea Level Rise Is Now Guaranteed
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/10-feet-of-global-sea-level-rise-now-
inevitable
[Has interactive map of "Surging Seas"]



YES !!!!

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Monday, June 2, 2014 2:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So you now agree global warming is a fact, since you treat its results as a given.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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