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...on myself indicated conclusively that SUGAR, not fat was the main culprit. And not just acne, sugar fuels fat weight gain, and diabetes. It's a tasty poison that in small amounts can be enjoyed & metabolised, but it's ubiquitous in foods today.

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And THIS is what I run into *facepalm*. Sugar is FINE for some people and NOT for others. Meat if FINE for some people and not for others. Fruit is Fine for some people and not for others. NUTS are FINE for some people and NOT for others. You seeing a pattern here??? There IS NO ABSOLUTES.

You are sensitive to the sugar problem because your kid is diabetic. It what you relate to, it's YOUR mission...I had a friend that GUZZLED sugar and she weighed HALF of my weight and still does and still guzzles sugar. I NEVER had ANY sweets in my house before hubby and I still weighed 220 lbs and worked TWO jobs and never ate lunch. I should have been a size two but I wasn't. I don't know why and neither does anyone else....

Believing biology is as simple as avoiding sugars IS THE PROBLEM.

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While I'm once again irritated by your slamming of my hobby when I'm a healthy weight, which I give you a pass on because you've mentioned that your mother basically let you be raised by video games (which I'm assuming based on your follow up comments did not cause your health issues), I think I have to agree with you here.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

Some of us don't get that choice and NEVER WILL

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While I'm once again irritated by your slamming of my hobby when I'm a healthy weight, which I give you a pass on because you've mentioned that your mother basically let you be raised by video games (which I'm assuming based on your follow up comments did not cause your health issues), I think I have to agree with you here.

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I'm not slamming YOUR hobby, you are an adult and of course may do what you wish. I am closer to the kids than you and I see it IS a problem FOR THEM. And I never said I played a lot of games, I said my mother wanted me too. I played Wolfenstein all the way through and two sega games that I never finished and that was it. Couldn't do all the sitting. Saw a T-shirt the other day that said "Let me tell you about all the video game awards I have" or something to that effect. Gaming don't accomplish much, is my problem, and it does mess with kids' brains it the other problem. People here already can't interact on a basic level, you put games and phones in the mix you drop the collective IQ quite a bit.

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Originally posted by whozit:
Food that tastes good is good for you, FACT!

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Sometimes. We never evolved with sugar cane available to us.
Sugar is like oxycontin; a little once in a while won't kill you but too much constantly turns you into Rush Limburger.

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Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

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You have No Idea what my health is.
Why'd you call me "a GUY" and in Caps?



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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

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It bettered my vocabulary, my motor skills, and my problem solving skills.

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You've got choices. But you've convinced yourself you don't.
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You've got choices. But you've convinced yourself you don't.

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I have seen no rhyme or reason in nutritional studies. I have seen incredible amounts of justifications and poor sample sizes and short time frames. Nutrition right now is an easy grant money pseudoscience that could be useful, but the food companies have their fingers so deep in the pie that no real information comes out of those studies. Maybe it's cholesterol. No. Maybe it's fats. No. Maybe it's salts. No. Maybe it's gluten. No. Maybe it's sugars. No.

I must agree that nutrition seems to be a strongly person by person case, and that any sensible approach to nutrition must be individualized. And that right now, that sort of individual approach that would actually be useful for people is too expensive for most people and their HMOs, so what we get instead is pop culture, bad science, urban myths, and fad diets.

And I also have to agree about fat shaming. My grandmother is very overweight, and she is an excellent person. Many of my friends are fat. And I've seen people who are overweight who can make themselves aesthetically pleasing through fashion and makeup - which I think is what that boils down to for everyone far more than body type.

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I'd pay real money if you could BE me for a week.

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( no thanks. I don't wanna be married to a 300lb dude who's addicted to Oreos )

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It bettered my vocabulary, my motor skills, and my problem solving skills.

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So would reading a dictionary, or going for a walk. How would you know the difference???

Byte, I really don't care what you do. It's not like I could affect anything even if I did...

Our society is stupid. Really really stupid. You are not ever going to convince me that video games are helping that, bottom line. If educational games were a top seller, I might be more inclined to agree, but they're not, and not likely ever to be so...

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Goodness knows I resent people trying to broaden my horizons too.

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( no thanks. I don't wanna be married to a 300lb dude who's addicted to Oreos )

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Is it fun to be mean to NICE people? I've only been mean to YOU....

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Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

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Transmission/reception problem, was talking to Rappy... You posted in the interim...

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You want mean? I'll give ya mean...

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You want mean? I'll give ya mean...

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When it comes to the need for a personal perception of righteousness or safety you nearly always do...

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I don't know what that's suppose to mean.

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It prolly took 12+ yrs , of gain some- lose a bit - gain some more for me to amass that much... mass. There was a short time, 18 months, where I did jump up a fair bit, towards the time of max density.

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So... at some point you stopped denying that you needed to address the issue. Good for you!
Now when will that point come for you with climate change-?

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When every year New Orleans and or New York get hit with at LEAST 3 Katrina / Sandy level storms, and Polar Bears are no more.

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Goodness knows I resent people trying to broaden my horizons too.

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You never took Tai-Chi like I recommended....
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I took Shaolin Chu'an Fa and my sifu also taught Tai Chi. That totally counts.

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It's great to see you back Byte, btw.

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I agree with a lot of what you say here. Nutritional studies are very poor and have been very compromised by interference from various food industries.

The doco "The Men Who Made Us Fat" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2337202/ is a must see for anyone interested in what the hell happened to our diet 20th/21st century.

Including how we've been conned by nutritianists calling for us to lower our fat intake, and the reaction from food companies, producing low fat food laden with sugar and other artifical susbstances that are terrible for our health.

Also the impact of corn syrup being added to food as a sweetener. Not happening here as much.

I think while somethings are compromised and unclear, what is clear that eating a diet that consists mainly of fast foods, sweetened carbonated drinks and processed foods will affect your health, including but not limited to weight related health problems, while including more fresh fruit and veg in your diet will improve your health.

The rest - how much sugar/fat/gluten/dairy/wheat/carbo/meat should you eat to be healthy is pretty unclear.

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When every year New Orleans and or New York get hit with at LEAST 3 Katrina / Sandy level storms, and Polar Bears are no more.

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Your wish will be granted sooner than you know, but then it STILL won't be true. Your tummy was RIGHT THERE, though...

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Agreed about the fresh foods. Living healthy might be a bit of a spectrum though.

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I'll support your efforts.

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I'll support your efforts.

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Oye. This is totally gonna sound flippant and I don't mean it to be.

I appreciate YOU think you are being supportive, but you aren't. Some girl on the internet says she "supports me" Oh, goody. That'll fix... nothing. Even the words you use are a bit insulting. It's a bit like telling someone who is crawling through the desert after running out of water yesterday that they really need to better their vocabulary or their sex life while you guzzle Evian water. You just can't even understand how ludicrous it is. Every minute of my life revolves around responsibility and symptom management. I can only do what I can do...

I really don't give a shit about my weight or hubbys or my kids. I know society does and will treat her like crap and that DOES bother me. She doesn't deserve any more than she's already got....


Wishimay gives 1kiki (and Frem and Byte and everyone else that posted a problem when we were all bitching in that one thread)
a commiserative "messed-up high five." Welcome to the club nobody else gets and nobody is happy to join, right?
I'd say I'm sorry for your luck and I wish things better for you, but I never feel like that does anything or really means much.

Ok. How about "Here's to trudging through one more *stellar day, may you find a moment that don't suck sometime during it."
Best I can do...

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Another few years after that, I found a partially successful treatment.


Since then, I've seen doctor flub a number of diagnoses in our family... the doctor who told hubby to eat less salt to solve his cardiac arrhythmia, without finding out first that hubby was eating only 800 mg/day and working out/sweating like a horse... turns out, hubby's a salt waster and needs MORE than average just to keep his heart pumping!

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The doco "The Men Who Made Us Fat" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2337202/ is a must see for anyone interested in what the hell happened to our diet 20th/21st century.

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Well, the one thing that was "too rare" was the one thing it was. But I was young and stupid, and I thought doctors knew better. Ultimately (after 8 years) I found her dx online. Another few years after that, I found a partially successful treatment.

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Weird.

It appears to me that the people who are the most supportive of the ACA are also the ones most skeptical of the medical profession.

"Doctors don't know shit but we wanna make sure everyone has access to one".

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And thanks for the sodium comment, I'll have to look into that, as my heart problems get worse in the spring when I start sweating- and even though my doc has accused me of eating too much salt(SEVEN TIMES) I know it's not possible because I only eat a max of twice a day. I literally CAN'T be getting too much salt...

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I watched it and thought especially the points made about snacking were insightful. Eating between meals, sugary junk in particular, is a recent phenomenon. And it has become so wide-spread. I know it is the number one factor in my range of weight fluctuation. Exercise has no impact one way or the other. Whether I bought that bag of gummy bears (because once I have it, it will be GONE) makes all the difference.

The problem is that modern life styles almost require you to snack, and the easiest food available will always be crap. If you're over-worked, have a long commute, too little sleep, not enough money... you're going to have irregular meals, cheap junk and you'll eat even more simply because you'll substitute sleep with sugar.

Will power is a lot to ask when you're exhausted but still have to get things done. (Hello, students and single parents!) And that just keeps warping the next generation's relationship with food.

I'm very grateful to have enough factors in my life that facilitate a healthy food intake. I wasn't raised that way, I lucked into roommates who insisted on shared home-cooked dinners. Best thing that very happened to me, health-wise.

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