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‘PHONY SCANDAL ALERT!’ Disbelief after IRS claims Lois Lerner emails have been ‘lost’

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Friday, June 13, 2014 8:04 PM

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Washington, DC – Today, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI) issued the following statement regarding the Internal Revenue Service informing the Committee that they have lost Lois Lerner emails from a period of January 2009 – April 2011. Due to a supposed computer crash, the agency only has Lerner emails to and from other IRS employees during this time frame. The IRS claims it cannot produce emails written only to or from Lerner and outside agencies or groups, such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or Democrat offices.

“The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response to Congressional inquiries. There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the Inspector General.

“Just a short time ago, Commissioner Koskinen promised to produce all Lerner documents. It appears now that was an empty promise. Frankly, these are the critical years of the targeting of conservative groups that could explain who knew what when, and what, if any, coordination there was between agencies. Instead, because of this loss of documents, we are conveniently left to believe that Lois Lerner acted alone. This failure of the IRS requires the White House, which promised to get to the bottom of this, to do an Administration-wide search and production of any emails to or from Lois Lerner. The Administration has repeatedly referred us back to the IRS for production of materials. It is clear that is wholly insufficient when it comes to determining the full scope of the violation of taxpayer rights.”

Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Charles Boustany Jr., M.D. (R-LA) added, "In the course of the Committee's investigation, the Administration repeatedly claimed we were getting access to all relevant IRS documents. Only now - thirteen months into the investigation - the IRS reveals that key emails from the time of the targeting have been lost. And they bury that fact deep in an unrelated letter on a Friday afternoon. In that same letter, they urge Congress to end the investigations into IRS wrongdoing. This is not the transparency promised to the American people. If there is no smidgeon of corruption what is the Administration hiding?"


http://waysandmeans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=3845
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Friday, June 13, 2014 8:19 PM

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Friday, June 13, 2014 8:27 PM

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Just another isolated, unrelated incident.

Boy, those branch office guys in Cincy...

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Friday, June 13, 2014 8:42 PM

JONGSSTRAW


I've been to Cincinnati .... not much else to do there except fuck with the Tea Party. In fact, Dairy Queen offers a free Strawberry Sundae for every tax-exempt application you deny or delay.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 8:54 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I've been to Cincinnati .... not much else to do there except fuck with the Tea Party. In fact, Dairy Queen offers a free Strawberry Sundae for every tax-exempt application you deny or delay.


As Berkshire Hathaway ( Warren Buffet ) is the parent company, that makes perfect sense.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 10:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The free sundaes were just a minor perk. They also got bonuses and promotions for committing their crimes.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 10:58 PM

THGRRI


I find that troubling. Don't emails travel both ways? Can't they check the emails of those in her charge?

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:49 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I find that troubling. Don't emails travel both ways? Can't they check the emails of those in her charge?

si shen


Miraculously, these were e-mails to those OUTSIDE ( read Justice Dept, White House ) her charge.

They needed the extra time to delete those.


Can anyone say , with a straight face, that this isn't the most corrupt admin in all of US history ?

Nixon was run out of office for 18 minutes of blank tape.

Louis has 2 YEARS of missing e-mails.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:32 AM

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They probbly identified all the Dems she was in contact with, maybe Nixon should have burned those tapes.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:34 AM

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This is no bullshit. I'm serious. All the proof of corruption anyone should need is right here.


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Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:07 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:
Originally posted by WHOZIT:
They probbly identified all the Dems she was in contact with, maybe Nixon should have burned those tapes.

Previous e-mails already identified Democrat Senators that demanded Lerner "do something" to stop the Tea Party. There's already enough evidence to send all the IRS and Democrat conspirators to prison. But the corrupt "Held In Contempt By Congress" Attorney General won't do anything. So we have to wait a few years before ALL their asses can be arrested, cuffed, and perp-walked.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:14 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
There's already enough evidence to send all the IRS and Democrat conspirators to prison.
There was enough evidence to send Reagan to prison, but like there, it ain't gonna happen. High paid lawyers + favours = Stay free of jail card.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:52 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

This is no bullshit. I'm serious. All the proof of corruption anyone should need is right here.


Of course you are right. However, that was all a Friday Night Dump, so you were supposed to ignore all of it, it was intended to never make any news cycle. Are you just not playing fair? Do you really expect a Black President to actually conform to the Law after a lifetime of violating it?

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:56 PM

CHRISISALL


Nice racism there.



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:39 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
There's already enough evidence to send all the IRS and Democrat conspirators to prison.
There was enough evidence to send Reagan to prison, but like there, it ain't gonna happen. High paid lawyers + favours = Stay free of jail card.


Reagan's 'crime' ? Stopping Communism.

Obama's crime ? Spying on and depriving Americans of their constitutional rights.

Pretty clear which is worse,and it's not even close. Obama fucking sucks.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:42 PM

THGRRI


Clapper reveals Bush-era docs showing NSA spying dragnet started 2001

http://rt.com/usa/bush-nsa-spying-clapper-632/

Hope the facts doesn't rain on anyone's parade.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:46 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Clapper reveals Bush-era docs showing NSA spying dragnet started 2001

http://rt.com/usa/bush-nsa-spying-clapper-632/

Hope the facts doesn't rain on anyone's parade.

si shen




This has exactly nothing to do w/ Obama using the IRS to target his political rivals and deprive Americans of actual rights.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:49 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Clapper reveals Bush-era docs showing NSA spying dragnet started 2001

http://rt.com/usa/bush-nsa-spying-clapper-632/

Hope the facts doesn't rain on anyone's parade.

si shen




This has exactly nothing to do w/ Obama using the IRS to target his political rivals and deprive Americans of actual rights.


It is in response to this statement by you.

Quote:

Obama's crime ? Spying on and depriving Americans of their constitutional rights.


You need to find a new crime.

si shen



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:55 PM

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Why ? Just because you tire of hearing about Obama trashing the Constitution, doesn't make it any less of a crime.


And your prior " response " was lame and unrelated to anything I have said.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:57 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why ? Just because you tire of hearing about Obama trashing the Constitution, doesn't make it any less of a crime.





I just think the guy who created the program should get equal billing.

si shen



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:00 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why ? Just because you tire of hearing about Obama trashing the Constitution, doesn't make it any less of a crime.





I just think the guy who created the program should get equal billing.

si shen




Bush created no program of using the IRS to target anyone.

And Obama expanded what Bush had done, which I believe had been ruled as legal. Might help the discussion if you kept your Obama crimes in line.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:03 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
There's already enough evidence to send all the IRS and Democrat conspirators to prison.
There was enough evidence to send Reagan to prison, but like there, it ain't gonna happen. High paid lawyers + favours = Stay free of jail card.


Reagan's 'crime' ? Stopping Communism.

Obama's crime ? Spying on and depriving Americans of their constitutional rights.

Pretty clear which is worse,and it's not even close. Obama fucking sucks.


I will show you again what I was responding to sir. Read your remarks about Obama spying. I took that to be his spying on Americans. Was I mistaken?

si shen



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:11 PM

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The THREAD is about the admin's targeting of TEA Party groups, and using the IRS to stifle political speech.

Obama's ' spying ' far exceeds Bush's, but was only a side note here, out of the long and growing list of Obama's crimes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/14/cbs-probe-finds-computer-le
ad-benghazi-reporter-was-hacked/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/busted-obama-administration-se
cretly-tapped-reporters-telephone-records-for-months/

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:18 PM

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Then I responded to the side note in that post and to the thread topic in my first post where I suggested I too have a problem with the claims of lost emails.

Are we good?

si shen



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:20 PM

CHRISISALL


IRS Targeted Liberals Under Bush

http://politix.topix.com/story/6072-irs-targeted-liberals-under-bush

I an I tink it's all bad, all de time.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:20 PM

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Quote:

Then I responded to the side note in that post and to the thread topic in my first post where I suggested I too have a problem with the claims of lost emails.

Are we good?


I believe we are.

Snippy insult rescinded

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:21 PM

THGRRI


Great, I have enough troubles here.

si shen



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:22 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

IRS Targeted Liberals Under Bush.

5 1/2 years removed and the old Blame Bush Card is still being swiped.




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Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:45 PM

CHRISISALL


Not Bush's fault, just showin' that they all play the same games.
But for some BUSH doing this was okay. If it's Obama it's so wrong...

I call bullshit on both of 'em.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:35 PM

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I'm sorry, but one op-ed claiming Bush did to Left wing groups EXACTLY THE SAME as Lois Lerner and Obama did to the TEA Party groups is go-se . Complete and total go-se

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:45 PM

CHRISISALL


Of ruttin' course.
Par for it, in fact.
Whatever.

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Monday, June 16, 2014 2:43 PM

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Perhaps one could ask the NSA to provide THEIR copies of those lost emails, hrmmm ?

Oh, wait, someone already did.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140615/12155027589/irs-claims-two-
years-emails-were-destroyed-computer-crash-congressman-asks-nsa-to-supply-missing-email-metadata.shtml
Quote:
But one Congressman thinks he has a solution to the missing email dilemma. Steve Stockman (last seen here threatening to bring a defamation lawsuit against someone who uttered true facts about his criminal past) knows some people who have a whole lot of email data just laying around.

“I have asked NSA Director Rogers to send me all metadata his agency has collected on Lois Lerner’s email accounts for the period which the House sought records,” said Stockman. “The metadata will establish who Lerner contacted and when, which helps investigators determine the extent of illegal activity by the IRS.”

Yeah, let me know how that works out for you, Steve. The NSA can't even confirm or deny its monthly water usage at its Utah data site, much less that it has metadata pertaining to Americans' communications.

I felt a great disturbance in The Farce, just now, as if millions of Trolls suddenly cried out with glee...


-Frem

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Monday, June 16, 2014 2:47 PM

THGRRI


looks like he wants to see the governments case. Chris Christy tried the same thing.

I do like the idea of finding the missing emails from the IRS this way. They are recorded somewhere.

si shen



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Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:41 AM

THGRRI


I am not sure but if this is true about the emails it must have been the process for many administrations?

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe--irs-missing-emails-is-nons
ense-283541571907

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Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:08 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Not Bush's fault, just showin' that they all play the same games.
But for some BUSH doing this was okay. If it's Obama it's so wrong...

I call bullshit on both of 'em.

And I remember how ya'll got your nickers in a twist if anyone dared mention Clinton during the Bush jr. years.
"Do as I say, not as I do", methinks.

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Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:
Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
And I remember how ya'll got your nickers in a twist if anyone dared mention Clinton during the Bush jr. years.
"Do as I say, not as I do", methinks.
Link(s)?
And mentioning Clinton in what way? I only remember getting totally impatient with his blow job scandal getting brought up over & over again like it was IMPORTANT or something...

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Monday, June 23, 2014 8:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This whole mess was known beforehand, when Johnny Boner decided to not have a Special Counsel, or have a Special Select Committee. Those measures would have precluded these events.
But Boner insisted that they must inform the miscreants of the data that would be requested, so that the miscreants would be able to destroy the needed evidence, and then claim "my dog ate my homework." So, after authorities informing them that they needed emails, Lois then cancelled the contract for web-based backup of email records, then mysteriously
"crashed" her hard drives.
Now that all that has come to pass, who really is surprised?

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Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:21 PM

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Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Live MSM News. Heh.

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Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:59 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Live MSM News. Heh.


Even got the accurate 'msm' logo!

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Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Get a room you two...

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Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:35 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Get a room you two...


Wanna join ?


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Friday, June 27, 2014 10:50 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Two House committees had their chance last week to yell at the arrogant cocksucker IRS guy for a few hours. Now it's time for steaks and drinks at the Capital Grille ... on the idiot taxpayers ....wheeeee!!

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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:27 AM

THGRRI


Quote:
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Ok that's funny. Love the bigfoot part.

Is it over yet? Can I go home?

si shen



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Thursday, July 3, 2014 6:58 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hang them by their thumbs until they confess!


SGG

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Monday, July 7, 2014 7:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
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Hang them by their thumbs until they confess!


SGG

It was not their fault, it was bigfoot. I saw it on the internet so I know it is true.

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Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:14 PM

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Friday, July 25, 2014 7:36 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
More missing emails, crashed hard drives, this time at EPA

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/26/more-missing-emails-crashed
-hard-drives-this-time-at-epa/



It's worse than you know... it usually is.

Mind you, this entire meme that the e-mails were either lost or not, because of Lois Lerner's hard drive " crashed ", is 100% horse hockey.

They're not lost. They never were. Every damn thing she and her 7 other buddies claim they lost was never lost. It's all - ALL - backed up, multiple times, on various servers. But don't let the MSM's ignoring of those facts spoil the story.

IRS official says Lois Lerner's missing emails may not be lost

The IRS may be able to recover a collection of missing emails that, Republicans have suggested, could shed light on the motivations behind the agency's past misconduct.

The IRS said last month that it cannot produce emails from Lois Lerner -- the former IRS official at the heart of the controversy -- from 2009 through April 2011 because of a computer crash that Lerner suffered in 2011. However, Thomas Kane, deputy associate chief counsel at the agency, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee last week that some of those emails could still be on backup tapes.

"There is an issue as to whether or not there is a - that all of the backup recovery tapes were destroyed on the six-month retention schedule," he said, according to the committee.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/irs-official-says-lois-lerners-missing-ema
ils-may-not-be-lost/

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Friday, July 25, 2014 7:42 AM

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New Testimony: IRS May Still Have Missing Lois Lerner E-mails Backed Up

During a transcribed interview with congressional investigators on Thursday, July 17, IRS Deputy Associate Chief Counsel Thomas Kane, who supervises the IRS’s targeting scandal document production to Congress, testified that new developments now make him uncertain whether e-mail back-up tapes containing lost e-mails from key IRS targeting official Lois Lerner exist or not. The new testimony is at odds with the June 13, 2014, memo sent to Sens. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) by the IRS which reported that the IRS, “Confirmed that back-up tapes from 2011 no longer exist because they have been recycled.” Kane had reviewed the June 13 memo but noted his current uncertainty with investigators.

Kane and a Committee investigator had the following exchange during Thursday’s transcribed interview:

Investigator: You stated at the time that document was produced to Congress, the document, the white paper in Exhibit 3[the June 13 memo], that it was accurate to the best of your knowledge. Is it still accurate?

Kane: There is an issue as to whether or not there is a -- that all of the backup recovery tapes were destroyed on the 6-month retention schedule.

Investigator: So some of those backup tapes may still exist?

Kane: I don’t know whether they are or they aren’t, but it’s an issue that’s being looked at.

Kane also testified that in addition to the IRS officials who had experienced hard drive crashes, as reported to the House Ways & Means Committee, a number of officials above and beyond these officials “have had computer problems over the course of the period covered by the investigations and the chairman’s subpoena” that could prevent the IRS from fully complying with the subpoenas. Kane characterized the number of such individuals as “less than 20” and named IRS officials Andy Megosh, Kimberly Kitchens, Justin Lowe, and David Fish as members of the new group.

Justin Lowe – Technical Advisor to the Commissioner of Tax-Exempt and Government Entities, before that he was a tax-law specialist in EO (Exempt Organizations) Technical and then EO Guidance. Advisor to Tax-Exempt and Government Entities Commissioner Joseph Grant.

David Fish – Manager of EO Guidance (which develops formal and informal guidance to the public on tax-exempt issues); Fish also served as Acting Director of Rulings and Agreements in late 2011/early 2012. Advisor to Lois Lerner.

Andy Megosh – Group manager in EO Guidance. Megosh was cited in the Ways and Means Committee’s referral of Lerner Lerner to the Justice Department.

Kimberly Kitchens – IRS revenue agent in Cincinnati who donated to President Obama’s reelection campaign.

Chairman Issa issued the following statement on the new revelations in Kane’s testimony:

“I’m struck by the fact that the IRS attempted to keep a key witness like Mr. Kane away from investigators and only agreed to his appearance after I issued a subpoena for his testimony. Finding out that IRS Commissioner Koskinen jumped the gun in reporting to Congress that the IRS ‘confirmed’ all back-up tapes had been destroyed makes me even more suspicious of why he waited months to inform Congress about lost Lois Lerner e-mails. Commissioner Koskinen has repeatedly blamed the reporting delay on an effort to be sure what he said was correct, we now know that wasn’t the case.”

An expanded transcript of Mr. Thomas Kane’s exchange about the possibility that e-mail back-up tapes may still exist falls below:

Q1- And the white paper that you identified, that you called a white paper in Exhibit 3, you said that you had an opportunity to review that before it was produced. Is that accurate?

A- Yes.

Q1- And to the best of your knowledge, was that document an accurate representation of the information within it?

A- At that time, that was certainly accurate.

Q1- And if you had had any concerns about the accuracy of that document, would you have raised them?

A- Yes.

Q1- And did you raise any concerns about the accuracy of that document?

A- As I indicated earlier, I had some issues that are suggested edits that I thought needed to be made, and there was a discussion about those, and there were some changes made. They weren’t major, but, you know, I was accommodated.

Q1- So the end product was accurate?

A- That was the state of knowledge and facts as we knew it when the document was set up.

Q1- Thank you very much. I really appreciate the many hours you’ve spent with us.

Q2- Sir, if I could just ask you one clarifying question based on your answers to those questions. You stated at the time that document was produced to Congress, the document, the white paper in Exhibit 3, that it was accurate to the best of your knowledge. Is it still accurate?

A- There is an issue as to whether or not there is a -- that all of the backup recovery tapes were destroyed on the 6-month retention schedule.

Q2- So some of those backup tapes may still exist?

A- I don’t know whether they are or they aren’t, but it’s an issue that’s being looked at.

Q2- By who?

A- It’s part of the TIGTA investigation.

Q2- So no one in the IRS, to your knowledge, outside of TIGTA, is looking at that issue?

A- The IRS is not looking at anything being investigated by TIGTA.

Q2- And when was that issue identified?

A- Sometime after the white paper was sent up.

Q2- And has there been any discussion about disclosing that issue to Congress, to the best of your knowledge?

A- I don’t know whether it has or it hasn’t been. I thought Chairman Issa asked a question about it at the last hearing, but I could be wrong about that.

Q2- The hearing with Commissioner Koskinen?

A- Yes.

Q2- And did the Commissioner give an accurate response to that question?

A- I forget how the question was framed, but I thought I had a recollection that Chairman Issa had asked the Commissioner about a backup tape issue looking -- being looked at by TIGTA. That’s the context of my recollection.

Q2- Anything else that you’re aware of that you can tell us about about the issue of the potential availability of a backup tape?

Kane’s Counsel – Objection to form.

A- Again, it’s all under investigation by TIGTA at this point in time. And I don’t know if there is a backup tape with information on it or there isn’t. I know that there’s an issue out there about it.

Q2- Okay. Thank you, sir.

(Q1= Committee investigator #1; Q2= Committee investigator #2; A= Kane)

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Friday, July 25, 2014 11:32 AM

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My thing is I don't want government agency's to overstep their bounds and I want things documented. I am with you on that. Where you and I part company is Obama and or his staff being behind everything bad that occurs.

You lose those in the middle who understand that these are old agency's that have their own cultures and each administration is subject to their screw-ups.

Sorry about the appellation trail joke.

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