So, when I hear Iraq is being taken over by I.S.I.S. ... by AURaptor

If I look at 1,000 sources about a topic and because I am biased I chose to believe the one source that is propaganda. Then it doesn’t matter how many more sources I looked at then you. Especially if you chose to believe the 5 or 10 sources you checked that were correct does it?

That is what Signym does and then gets pissed off because we don’t understand. Look how many sources I checked she says, as though the amount of sources a person checks determines the facts.

si shen

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Monday, June 23, 2014 4:07 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
The debate we had here was read by many. You forget that when you address me they are reading and vise versa. Let them decide.

Okay, you kinda failed here. There.

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Monday, June 23, 2014 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
The debate we had here was read by many. You forget that when you address me they are reading and vise versa. Let them decide.
Okay, you kinda failed here. There.

I was speaking to those who could actually understand what they were reading precious. Try this;

I win, you lose.

Did you get that precious or should I explain it again?

si shen

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Monday, June 23, 2014 4:28 PM

CHRISISALL

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Monday, June 23, 2014 11:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

One question answered:
http://rt.com/usa/167912-ica-mi6-isis-iraq/
'It fell on deaf ears': CIA and MI6 knew about ISIS assault in advance, failed to react

According to a report by the UK-based Telegraph, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10918607/How
-US-and-Britain-were-warned-of-Isis-advance-in-Iraq-but-turned-a-deaf-ear.html senior Kurdish intelligence officials said they tried to explain to their allies in the CIA, MI6, and the central Iraqi government that the members of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) could represent a great threat to Iraq's stability, but that those warnings failed to spark any action.

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I wonder - for all our spying and snooping into intl emails and telephony, did our intelligence agencies not see this coming?

And - hmmm. Very short-sighted to think that what happens in Iraq stays in Iraq. It's exactly that short-sighted thinking that had you shitting bricks on 9/11.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:57 AM

America loves a winner!

For what it's worth, Obama has now lately referred to the group as ISIS, instead of ISIL.

I know keeping up w/ groups and splinter groups and what they call themselves isn't always a clear cut matter. Minor detail, but Obama, more than any other , seems to excel in needlessly stepping out on his own, with nary an explanation.

He really does believe he's more extraordinary than virtually all other humans.

What a putz.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:21 AM

JONGSSTRAW

That's the only I-rack to care about.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:14 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I win. You lose

Sounds familiar, doesn't it? I was kinda wondering where MIKER and RAPPY went to.

G
I don't consider ANY source to be "reliable". Heck, have you looked at zerohedge??? Every headline they post claims it's the end of something... the end of the dollar, the end of Iraq, the end of the banking system, the end of the world. I recommend it, and it's at the top of my list, not because it's reliable but because they're a terrific aggregator- they relay items from RT and WSJ and Reuters and Al Jazeera, and they do it fast.

I guess when it comes to news, I follow the House principle: Everybody lies. Or at least shades the truth. I kind of knew that Russia wasn't going to send in the troops to Ukraine when I saw the outrage kind of fade away from RT - no use getting people all riled up for nothing, no? Because then you have a PR problem to deal with! If I want to know about American outrages, I go to Global Research. See how that works? Different sources are good for different things, including a window on what the administration in another nation is planning on doing. If I see the outrage factor building up on RT again, I'll start to worry.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:15 AM

It is my belief that what you read and by who signym matters little if it does not fit neatly into your preconceived truths. It has been my ascertain from the beginning that this is the case with you. What you post may make for interesting reading but it holds little value beyond that because it is tainted with biases and misrepresented facts.

si shen

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:55 AM

My concern with the press is them being a driving force behind decisions made by the President. Between the press and some Republicans constantly suggesting the President has been acting skittishly when it comes to the Middle East, I feel it may start to influence his decisions. (Perhaps it already has)

We need to make sure ISIS stays within the parameters of where it exists now and eventually the Sunnis will clean house. Iraq is a failed state created by the British I believe, and we need to let it divide itself up into what it resembled before. Let geography separate the religions.

si shen

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:42 PM

REAVERFAN

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
My concern with the press is them being a driving force behind decisions made by the President. Between the press and some Republicans constantly suggesting the President has been acting skittishly when it comes to the Middle East, I feel it may start to influence his decisions. (Perhaps it already has)

We need to make sure ISIS stays within the parameters of where it exists now and eventually the Sunnis will clean house. Iraq is a failed state created by the British I believe, and we need to let it divide itself up into what it resembled before. Let geography separate the religions.

si shen

And if a bunch of poor brown people die, who cares?

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Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:59 PM

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And if a bunch of poor brown people die, who cares?

That’s a ridiculous argument. This has nothing to do with skin color or religion. These are universal variables that exists within the Middle East. Their all brown, even those we assist.

si shen

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Friday, June 27, 2014 8:08 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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It is my belief that what you read and by who signym matters little if it does not fit neatly into your preconceived truths.

It seems you believe in a lot of things for which you have absolutely no evidence, and that's just one of those beliefs.

I've read many things which have fundamentally changed my thoughts and perceptions... I have a whole graveyard of beliefs which have died for lack of proof, or because of the existence of countervailing evidence, starting with my belief in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, quickly followed by my belief in god, capitalism, democracy (as currently practiced), the evolution and perfectibility of society, the intelligence of human beings, evolution (generally) as a positive force, "efficiency" as a positive force, and a crap-ton of other beliefs that haven't withstood the test of time and experience. I hope that I'll shed even more beliefs, since I intend to keep learning for the rest of my life.

YOU, OTOH-- well, you seem like you're full of beliefs, aren't you? Have you changed a single one since you were 12? If not, then perhaps it could be said much more of you than me that it doesn't matter what YOU read (assuming you read at all!) because you seem exceptionally resistant to new ideas, even when presented with blunt facts.

Beliefs are pointless and useless. Come back when you have something other than "belief" to discuss.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 8:15 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

And if a bunch of poor brown people die, who cares?

Absolutely. Especially if they're doing it to themselves.

Whether its in the M.E., or Africa.

Nothing that goes on over there should concern us in the least.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:25 AM

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It is my belief that what you read and by who signym matters little if it does not fit neatly into your preconceived truths.
It seems you believe in a lot of things for which you have absolutely no evidence, and that's just one of those beliefs.

I've read many things which have fundamentally changed my thoughts and perceptions... I have a whole graveyard of beliefs which have died for lack of proof, or because of the existence of countervailing evidence, starting with my belief in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, quickly followed by my belief in god, capitalism, democracy (as currently practiced), the evolution and perfectibility of society, the intelligence of human beings, evolution (generally) as a positive force, "efficiency" as a positive force, and a crap-ton of other beliefs that haven't withstood the test of time and experience. I hope that I'll shed even more beliefs, since I intend to keep learning for the rest of my life.

YOU, OTOH-- well, you seem like you're full of beliefs, aren't you? Have you changed a single one since you were 12? If not, then perhaps it could be said much more of you than me that it doesn't matter what YOU read (assuming you read at all!) because you seem exceptionally resistant to new ideas, even when presented with blunt facts.

Beliefs are pointless and useless. Come back when you have something other than "belief" to discuss.

Nice speech. It is bullshit of course, but nice speech.

si shen

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Friday, June 27, 2014 3:05 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Nice speech. It is bullshit of course, but nice speech.

In other words, you got nothing. Except more belief.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 3:31 PM

No as I said nice bit of bullshit which means nothing. Just more of a defense presented by you that you are diverse in thinking.

As I said, bullshit.

si shen

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Friday, June 27, 2014 4:57 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

What is the point of being pointlessly "diverse"? I try to understand reality, and there isn't a diversity of reality, there is only one.

Here's a lesson: Despite the common saying that you have your reality and I have mine, the universe doesn't really work that way: we live in the same reality. The only thing we differ on is our understanding of it, and whether my understanding is closer to actuality than yours or vice versa. There are a few ways to determine whose model is "better" (more congruent with reality), and since this isn't a laboratory situation where we can experiment endlessly to prove a point, we're limited to seeing whose explanations best (1) explain the greatest number of facts without being contradicted by other known facts or (2) predict future or (3) a combination.

Your "understanding" of the world, to use the term loosely, greatly depends on ignoring a vast number of facts. Since my understanding of the world explains not only the facts YOU understand, but also the facts you refuse to admit to, my understanding encompasses yours.

Also, so we don't get bolloxed up in the future, I use the word "truth" to mean "real", not "belief".

A lot of people seem to think that if they feel something deeply, it must be "true". Well, I know a lot of people who deeply feel that god is watching over them. It may be sincerely felt, but it's not necessarily referencing anything real.

When you can come to the board with something BESIDES your deeply felt opinions, you'll be a more interesting person to talk to.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 5:50 PM

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….signym
What is the point of being pointlessly "diverse"? I try to understand reality, and there isn't a diversity of reality, there is only one.

It depends on what you are looking at whether it is pointless or not. If these young ladies are heading to prom then the diversity of gowns makes all the sense in the world. If this is a photo of the bride’s maids in a wedding party the diversity of gowns makes little sense. At least to me.

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….signym
Your "understanding" of the world, to use the term loosely, greatly depends on ignoring a vast number of facts. Also, so we don't get bolloxed up in the future, I use the word "truth" to mean "real", not "belief".

Bullshit

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….signym
Here's a lesson: Despite the common saying that you have your reality and I have mine, the universe doesn't really work that way: we live in the same reality. The only thing we differ on is our understanding of it, and whether my understanding is closer to actuality than yours or vice versa. There are a few ways to determine whose model is "better" (more congruent with reality), and since this isn't a laboratory situation where we can experiment endlessly to prove a point, we're limited to seeing whose explanations best (1) explain the greatest number of facts without being contradicted by other known facts or (2) predict future or (3) a combination.

I’m confident what I post is received well by those who read my posts without biases and care not for the opinions of those who do not. I also feel what I post falls in line with what others here recognize as traits and biases you exhibit all the time. As far as my reality verse yours, I’ll take that challenge every time.

si shen

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Friday, June 27, 2014 6:06 PM

Hey signym, lets see what you great source The Tehran Times reports about this?

Iran resistance leader predicts regime change in exclusive Fox News interview

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/27/iran-resistance-leader-predict
s-regime-change-in-exclusive-fox-news-interview/

si shen

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Friday, June 27, 2014 6:48 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I’m confident what I post is received well by those who read my posts

In other words, you think that insightful analysis is a popularity contest?

Also, you failed to understand my point about diversity. The universe is diverse. Our thinking has to be diverse enough to accommodate it. But there's no reason to introduce "diversity" for diversity's sake... that's like saying that in addition to the math teacher who explains that 2+2=4, we need to include more "diverse" opinions, like 2+2=22 and 2+2=1. That's what I meant by "pointless" diversity.

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As far as my reality verse yours, I’ll take that challenge every time.

Idiot. Our reality is the same. We live in the same universe, on the same globe, subject to the same gravity and the same laws of cause and effect. Are you saying that if you think you're Peter Pan, and if you wish hard enough, you can fly??? Hmmm... if that's the case, can I lead you to the nearest garage roof to test "your" reality? [/snicker] Or do you perhaps not understand what the word "reality" means???

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Friday, June 27, 2014 7:22 PM

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…signym
In other words, you think that insightful analysis is a popularity contest?

If you believe what I said about people reading my posts implied something about popularity then your reality is warped beyond repair.

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...signym
Also, you failed to understand my point about diversity. The universe is diverse. Our thinking has to be diverse enough to accommodate it. But there's no reason to introduce "diversity" for diversity's sake... that's like saying that in addition to the math teacher who explains that 2+2=4, we need to include more "diverse" opinions, like 2+2=22 and 2+2=1. That's what I meant by "pointless" diversity.

I understood what you said, and if you place a 2 on paper + or add another one 22, it does equal twenty two. If you write 2+2 = 4, it also equals the adding of two 2’s, 1 time. It all depends what it is you are trying to convey what the reality is.

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...signym
Despite the common saying that you have your reality and I have mine, the universe doesn't really work that way: we live in the same reality.

It appears Steven Hawking’s disagrees with you about there being one reality and that any of us understands what that is.

“A few years ago the city council of Monza, Italy, barred pet owners from keeping goldfish in curved bowls. The measure's sponsor explained the measure in part by saying that it is cruel to keep a fish in a bowl with curved sides because, gazing out, the fish would have a distorted view of reality. But how do we know we have the true, undistorted picture of reality”?

http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2017262,00.html

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….signym
Aside from that, all you can manage as a retort is "bullshit"? Hmmm... so not worth my time here!

I agree, your bullshit is not worth my time.

si shen

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Friday, June 27, 2014 7:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

wow, trawling backwards through this thread.

It's about a whole lot of nothing.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 7:43 PM

One persons nothing is maybe someone else's everything. The biggest deception pulled off by Seinfeld is that his show was about nothing when in fact it was about the lives of four people. If you did not pick up on that, then you may also be missing the point here?

si shen

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Friday, June 27, 2014 9:52 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
No as I said nice bit of bullshit which means nothing. Just more of a defense presented by you that you are diverse in thinking.

As I said, bullshit.

si shen

Cites and length of bloviation are what determines who is 'right ' here, THGRRI.

Those who have the most, win.

" Period "

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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:16 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
One persons nothing is maybe someone else's everything. The biggest deception pulled off by Seinfeld is that his show was about nothing when in fact it was about the lives of four people. If you did not pick up on that, then you may also be missing the point here?

si shen

Still got nothing

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Friday, June 27, 2014 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
One persons nothing is maybe someone else's everything. The biggest deception pulled off by Seinfeld is that his show was about nothing when in fact it was about the lives of four people. If you did not pick up on that, then you may also be missing the point here?

si shen

Still got nothing

Then why are you still here?

si shen

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Saturday, June 28, 2014 12:04 AM

CHRISISALL

Question is, why are you sockie?

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Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:38 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Still got nothing

Then why are you still here?

si shen

Just popping in to see the discussion. Trawled through most of a page of posts which were basically just nitpicking sources, I think, and nothing else about Iraq, so I gave up.

Basically having a lazy Saturday....

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Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:11 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Question is, why are you sockie?

You created me precious, so why am I a sockie precious why am I a sockie? Arguhhhhh....Arguhhhhh

si shen

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Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:12 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Then why are you still here?

si shen

Magonsdaughter:

Just popping in to see the discussion. Trawled through most of a page of posts which were basically just nitpicking sources, I think, and nothing else about Iraq, so I gave up.

Basically having a lazy Saturday....

Cool....

si shen

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Monday, June 30, 2014 3:03 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What a strange way to talk to yourself.

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Thursday, July 3, 2014 6:47 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like we're gonna do some airstrikes, but I really think the cows are out of the barn now. Too late.

Obama was more busy w/ airlifing illegal children to red states in the SW to concern himself w/ Iraq.

Remember, al qaeda is 'decimated', and its core leadership is on the run.

( But fret not! Obama will release more soon ! )

Really? Airlifting kids into the US? You're kidding, right?

;-)

SGG

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Thursday, July 3, 2014 6:53 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Seriously, let them do each other in. We should butt out and use only drones. Truth be told, they've been going at it for thousands of years, long before America came into existence.

What about terror plots against us? When they finish killing each other off, drop a bomb and be done with it. That will send a message to the rest of the Jihadists. Problem solved!

Amen (except for the drones part - those things are expensive!)

"Thousands of years" is a very large sample size. I think it's safe to draw conclusions from that history, like: "stay the eff away."

Millions of years!?

Like I know what I'm talking about, ha ha!

SGG

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Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:44 PM

America loves a winner!

Colorado woman accused of trying to help ISIS

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/justice/colorado-woman-arrested-isis/ind
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Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:48 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like we're gonna do some airstrikes, but I really think the cows are out of the barn now. Too late.

Obama was more busy w/ airlifing illegal children to red states in the SW to concern himself w/ Iraq.

Remember, al qaeda is 'decimated', and its core leadership is on the run.

( But fret not! Obama will release more soon ! )

Really? Airlifting kids into the US? You're kidding, right?

;-)

SGG

Well, I may be mistaken on the airlifting part.

But sure as hell, they came w/ help from this WH. And no, I don't mean by a general misunderstanding, or even lax border work done, but w/ the full intent and design by the Obama admin.

This is fully manufactured, much like the Fast and Furious program, to force the issue onto the American public,and to do so in a manner which was wholly beneficial to Obama and the progressive movement.

Cloward and Piven, all frelling day long here, folks.

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Saturday, July 5, 2014 12:21 PM

si shen

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Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:42 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
My concern with the press is them being a driving force behind decisions made by the President. Between the press and some Republicans constantly suggesting the President has been acting skittishly when it comes to the Middle East, I feel it may start to influence his decisions. (Perhaps it already has)

We need to make sure ISIS stays within the parameters of where it exists now and eventually the Sunnis will clean house.

Iraq is a failed state created by the British I believe, and we need to let it divide itself up into what it resembled before. Let geography separate the religions.

si shen

It was easy to see this coming. It happened before.

Destruction of Mosul’s shrines sparks first signs of resistance against Islamic State

BAGHDAD – As al-Qaeda-inspired militants have reduced Mosul’s ancient religious shrines to rubble in recent weeks, their support has also crumbled, with popular outrage producing the first signs of resistance in the Iraqi city.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/destruction-of-mosuls-shrines-spar
ks-first-signs-of-resistance-against-islamic-state/2014/07/30/86c29ab1-9cdd-4037-8757-f62af28dca54_story.html

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Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:52 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I thought these were freedom fighters in the process of establishing a nation, which, as you so clearly said, takes a long time is is a difficult process. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58394

I mean, give 'em a break, man. This is what comes as a result of freedom/the overthrow of tyranny!

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Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:28 PM

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I thought these were freedom fighters in the process of establishing a nation, which, as you so clearly said, takes a long time is is a difficult process. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58394

I mean, give 'em a break, man. This is what comes as a result of freedom/the overthrow of tyranny!

What I said before about this group is posted right above. I answered an earlier post by myself predicting this.

It's really sad you can't distinguish between those who wish for a better life and completely off the wall terrorists. Besides this is the sonnies fighting the sonnies.

You are starting to remind me of this Bergdahl character who bashed America in letters home, left his post in Afghanistan and sought out the Taliban who kept him in a cage. He then made videos pleading for us to bring him home. Just someone else who can not see things for what they are.

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