*BLEEP* Russia by Wishimay

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http://news.yahoo.com/russia-launches-swearing-ban-books-films-plays-r
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I'm all for a few less cusswords in movies, but to ban and fine
and for them???

Dumb FUCKERS

In America, Wish is fine. *accent* In Putin Russia, she gets fined.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 6:57 PM

There's a great system. Let's be more like Russia. I say we turn everything over to government to run so we can be like Russia. Yeah...

si shen

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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There a great system. Let's be more like Russia.

si shen

There does seem to be a hastening slide towards moral decay here in the USofA. When the mayor of the 2nd largest city ( LA ) openly and unapologetically drops the F bomb at a public ceremony to celebrate the King's Stanley Cup victory, that's not good.

Might be, because I was raised in the South, that good manners are more socially stressed and expected than in other parts of the nation, that it seems worse as of late.

I don't know.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:08 PM

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Might be, because I was raised in the South, that good manners are more socially stressed and expected than in other parts of the nation, that it seems worse as of late.

Deliverance was set in and filmed in Georgia. :D

Manners are nonsense anyways, it's about time we started embracing our feral animal natures and cut out all the bullshit.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Might be, because I was raised in the South, that good manners are more socially stressed and expected than in other parts of the nation, that it seems worse as of late.

Deliverance was set in and filmed in Georgia. :D

Manners are nonsense anyways, it's about time we started embracing our feral animal natures and cut out all the bullshit.

I'm a bit like Simon on this one. It matters more. It's a show of respect.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:27 PM

Respect is meaningless unless you actually feel it. As such the words we say don't really matter, only the actions. Everything else is just garnish and social niceties that have outlived their time. People don't want to have chit chat on the bus, they want to go their own way and not be trapped by social expectations.

Politeness is just another way of restricting your freedom and controlling you - why else would you find political correctness (stems from politeness) so objectionable?

Also, if you saw me in real life and tried to tell me to act like a lady I would knee you in the kidneys. So politeness is also increasingly dangerous.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I think you just want an excuse to knee strangers in the kidneys.

Not very lady like at all.

( runs for cover )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:39 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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I'm a bit like Simon on this one. It matters more. It's a show of respect.

"We're living in a society!" ... George Costanza

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:50 PM

Morals and manners is what allows society's to function. The lower on the scale of manners and morals the less functional the society. Historians will tell you language had a lot to do with the development of community, but without a willingness to work together, forget it.

I cringe when I hear adults swearing their heads off in front of children. It shows a person to be trashy in my opinion.

si shen

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:46 PM

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I think you just want an excuse to knee strangers in the kidneys.

Not very lady like at all.

( runs for cover)

True. Something to be proud of really.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:49 PM

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Morals and manners is what allows society's to function. The lower on the scale of manners and morals the less functional the society. Historians will tell you language had a lot to do with the development of community, but without a willingness to work together, forget it.

I cringe when I hear adults swearing their heads off in front of children. It shows a person to be trashy in my opinion.

si shen

Then I am trashy, and was trashy from the time I was five.

Children swear themselves when adults can't hear, and then think expressing themselves somehow makes them bad.

You do no favours treating anyone like they innocent and have to be protected from knowledge of all things.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 9:06 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Morals and manners is what allows society's to function. The lower on the scale of manners and morals the less functional the society. Historians will tell you language had a lot to do with the development of community, but without a willingness to work together, forget it.

I cringe when I hear adults swearing their heads off in front of children. It shows a person to be trashy in my opinion.

si shen

Then I am trashy, and was trashy from the time I was five.

Children swear themselves when adults can't hear, and then think expressing themselves somehow makes them bad.

You do no favours treating anyone like they innocent and have to be protected from knowledge of all things.

Yes, you do. Children are not ready to process life and all its challenges. Most of us forget I guess what it was like to always be looking up in a world full of giants. People who put effort into being polite are showing others respect. It's obvious in the way you always put yourself down that you show yourself very little respect. Yet I could not help but notice you are very polite and studied in your posts. I am not sure I buy into all the bad you claim to represent.

si shen

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 9:40 PM

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Yes, you do. Children are not ready to process life and all its challenges.

I'd argue the point, except at that age I knew both what suicide and rape was.

9_9 Not like that. But I don't ever remember a time I wasn't aware of the dark side of the world. It's not exactly hard to figure out. Kids are smarter and more aware than you realize. And I was better off for it despite what all you think.

Fact is, no one is ever ready to process life and all its challenges. You just hurt a little less each time until you learn how to ignore it.

And try to defend me as a kid, and I'd bite you for your efforts. Where do you think my name comes from?

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 9:57 PM

Do you have any relatives that play soccer? Kidding aside you would have to admit that not finding out about rape and suicide at 9 would make for a much healthier and happier childhood.

si shen

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:33 PM

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Kidding aside you would have to admit that not finding out about rape and suicide at 9 would make for a much healthier and happier childhood.

I can remember earlier than nine, thanks.

What is hilarious about this is my childhood was normal. I think people just don't realize how when they were kids they'd look up dirty words in the dictionary and joke about it with their friends and flip through those national geographics with the naked girls.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:42 PM

Children have a natural inquisitiveness. The thing is to be engaged with your children. Find what interests them and pursue it with them.

That said understanding the world as you school your children in it is just as important. Case in point is in the disadvantages we place on women.

"No explanation needed."

"In fifth grade, I won the school courtesy prize. In other words, I won an award for being polite. My brother, on the other hand, was considered the class comedian. We were very typically socialized as a "young lady" and a "boy being a boy." Globally, childhood politeness lessons are gender asymmetrical. We socialize girls to take turns, listen more carefully, not curse and resist interrupting in ways we do not expect boys to. Put another way, we generally teach girls subservient habits and boys to exercise dominance.

I routinely find myself in mixed-gender environments (life) where men interrupt me. Now that I've decided to try and keep track, just out of curiosity, it's quite amazing how often it happens. It's particularly pronounced when other men are around".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/10-words-every-girl-shoul
d-learn_b_5544203.html

si shen

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:20 PM

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The thing is to be engaged with your children. Find what interests them and pursue it with them.

What a disturbing concept. As if they need to control what your interests are and how passionate you get.

I resisted every lesson about "being a lady" that I could. Turned out well for me.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:33 PM

I mean to guide your children not follow them. That's funny shit. Pretty tired tonight. Gonna call it quits. Have a good one.

si shen

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:12 AM

Probably a good choice, I was getting irrational and contrary.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:12 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Manners are nonsense anyways, it's about time we started embracing our feral animal natures and cut out all the bullshit.

I'm more in line with Miss Manners. The social rituals of "good manners" are ideally an expression of basic respect for your fellow humans. Consideration for other's feelings or needs is a very helpful thing and closely related to cooperation and compassion: the things that helped us naked, puny apes survive.

As for swearing, I think it all depends on the context.

If swearing is accepted and harmless, it is that. If it's not, it becomes a signal of an extreme or uncontrolled situation. When casual swearing meets the more restrained group, you have culture clash. It's less about the words and more about the perceived context.

One isn't better than the other. It's a matter of adjusting to clashing expectations.

That said: Russia. *facepalm* For a country whose average folk are pragmatic to the point of artistry (not to be confused with practical), they sure love their ham-fisted, sweeping measures doomed to result in painful oppression.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 8:21 AM

Gonna hafta disagree there AR. There's pretty much no way that humans developed linguistic terms for please and thank you before they developed the capacity to recognize others in need of help and help them. Otherwise as a species we would've been somewhat sucktacular as parents and died out.

'S like arguing religion was how we developed enough morality to stand each other long enough to build towns and civilizations. Simpler stuff tends to come first. Just don't parse, y'see?

As such politeness, respect, and decency seem to me to be three very different things.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 8:56 AM

AGENTROUKA

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Gonna hafta disagree there AR. There's pretty much no way that humans developed linguistic terms for please and thank you before they developed the capacity to recognize others in need of help and help them. Otherwise as a species we would've been somewhat sucktacular as parents and died out.

'S like arguing religion was how we developed enough morality to stand each other long enough to build towns and civilizations. Simpler stuff tends to come first. Just don't parse, y'see?

As such politeness, respect, and decency seem to me to be three very different things.

I didn't say certain very specific words came first. I am saying good manners are in direct relation to those other qualities and developed based on them when they were needed.

Good manners is just that: basic respect and consideration for your fellow human beings, expressed in certain ritualized signals or considerate behavior. The opposite of good manners is being an oblivious shithead. There are instances where it's slightly more complex, but that's what it boils down to.

Recognizable forms of expressing goodwill and a readiness for basic respect to your social environment is beneficial, so I'm pretty sure an equivalent of that can be found in even the non-verbal world of animals.

Also, I used the word "ideally". If politeness is empty it's not really politeness, if manners are causing more rather than less friction, they aren't good manners.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:14 AM

Fuck Russia for a lot of different reasons. This one makes me laugh though because I think of Sylvester Stallone swearing his ass off for toilet paper while Rob Sneider makes fun of him for not knowing how to use the 3 seashells.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:40 AM

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The opposite of good manners is being an oblivious shithead.

Hahaha! Can't argue that!

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:42 AM

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I cringe when I hear adults swearing their heads off in front of children. It shows a person to be trashy in my opinion.

I cringe when I hear my bro and sis-in-law swearing at family parties Constantly. The same words that got me kicked out of my parents house when I was visiting as a 21 year old, they probably say 5-10 times during dinner alone. Even my parents have been so desensitized to it that they don't even flinch. Until I made it a point to say something to them, they didn't even tone it down when my Grams was around.

I think Simon was right about that. My Grams never once said a cuss word in front of any of her grandchildren. I sometimes wonder if she's ever said one at all that wasn't under her breath. She will never complain about it, but it actually pisses me off when they drop F-Bombs in front of her like it's nothing.

To their credit, they have toned it down a hell of a lot if she's there, and even when she's not there, at least around me.

Do I swear? You all here know that I do. Half the guys I work with have tattoos up their necks and a few of them have tats you can see under their peach fuzz. There's no shortage of women who like to cuss too. Hell... I probably wouldn't trust a guy who was under 65 years old that didn't swear around "the guys".

My point is.... KNOW YOUR FUCKING AUDIENCE, PEOPLE. PERIOD.

I swear all night at the store I work in, when I'm locked in, and customers are locked out, and there's no more than 15 other people in the giant building.....

If I go there to shop and I'm standing in line, I'm not swearing my ass off over the phone so everyone else in line can hear it.

You know me. I'm ALL about freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech should never be used as an excuse of License to be an Asshole in Public.

I was standing in line a few months back at a competing chain to my store, since I refuse to support my company financially at all anymore than I already am by even being there......

Behind me was a guy with two girls who looked to be about 2 and 6 years old.

In front of me was a little 20-something shit swearing to his buddy on the phone while they were both laughing about and degrading some woman who for whatever mistaken reason thought it was a good idea to sleep with this d-bag.

I looked back and I knew the guy behind me didn't like it but it was one of those "what are ya gonna do" moments....

Hey buddy..... you mind taking that conversation outside?

Nah bro, it's cool *smiles* *turns*....

This fucking guy behind m.....

Grab a phone, throw a phone.....

What the fuck, old man. Are you crazy? Are you looking to get your ass beat?

Yes. Yes I am. I deserve getting my ass beat far more often than I do.

Please..... Indulge me.

Stare... 1.... 2.... 3.... 4.... and.... he's gone....

If I was more personable, I'd probably be that guys new best friend. We never caught each other's names, but when that kid left we all had a moment, the guy, the girl at the register and I. I'm sure his daughters didn't really understand it, but the older one would surely be asking Daddy about what happened at the store later.

We agree on an awful lot at least to a degree Byte, but manners I think I have to disagree on, at least partially.

There is a time and place for everything.

Swearing is good. It can even be cathartic at times.

Just don't do it in front of my 83 year old Grams or risk that the first word my Niece is going to speak is going to be something my stepdad kicked me out of the house for saying when I was 21.

I DO feel guilty for using the C word about a member here....

I know you can't be down with me calling her that...... even if we might wink-wink-nudge-nug... uh..... nevermind....

Time and place Byte....

I wouldn't be the 2nd or 3rd most hated person here had I never used that word.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:01 AM

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I know you can't be down with me calling her that......

It's just a word. We all get way too hung up on them. I used to get upset if someone even breathed that I might be stupid or I might be crazy or I might be a liar, and then I even had a meltdown because someone told me once that I enable rapes. Then I realized I was just being defensive about it because I'm all those things. So now I live up to my full stupid crazy liar asshole shithead potential. It's allowed me to see that everything is funny, even the tragedies, especially my tragedies which are insignificant and irrelevant.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:36 AM

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I know you can't be down with me calling her that......

It's just a word. We all get way too hung up on them. I used to get upset if someone even breathed that I might be stupid or I might be crazy or I might be a liar, and then I even had a meltdown because someone told me once that I enable rapes. Then I realized I was just being defensive about it because I'm all those things. So now I live up to my full stupid crazy liar asshole shithead potential. It's allowed me to see that everything is funny, even the tragedies, especially my tragedies which are insignificant and irrelevant.

It wasn't just a word when I used it. I meant it when I said it, and I said it with the full force of somebody with a passion. In fact, I'm not any more doubtful today that the word doesn't wrap her up in the nice little ball of malice and hate that she is, but I'm the one who will forever be the bad guy here because I called a C a C.....

I lost contact with a good friend because of how much offense he took to me saying it. He's never answered me even personally to let me know if he agreed with my assessment. The fact that I called her that word was the deal breaker in our relationship....

One man's trash is another man's treasure.....

Chevy Rules Ford/Ford Rules Chevy...

I guess I'm happy with learning to navigate the HR TREE if it means that my niece won't grow up to have a dirty mouth.

I don't give 8 flippin shits if she swears around the dumb-ass peers she works with. I just want to know that she's Lady-like enough to play the game and cleans up well for a Real Party and doesn't embarass herself with an overreiliance on cuss words because of a lack of real words.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:41 AM

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I don't give 8 flippin shits if she swears around the dumb-ass peers she works with. I just want to know that she's Lady-like enough to play the game and cleans up well for a Real Party and doesn't embarass herself with an overreiliance on cuss words because of a lack of real words.

Fuck this. Fuck the "game." Fuck shame and embarrassment and double standards. Fuck those stupid ass parties you have to "clean up" for, since the real you isn't good enough for them. It's all bullshit anyway.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:46 AM