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Just gimme a bandage!!!

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Friday, July 18, 2014 1:33 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2697428/The-injectable-
foam-stop-soldiers-bleeding-death-battlefield.html

Serenity inspired???

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Friday, July 18, 2014 2:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Was that in the verse ?

Oh wait... Zoe's injury?

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Friday, July 18, 2014 2:35 PM

CHRISISALL

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Serenity inspired???

It was precisely what we saw!! Holy moley!

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Friday, July 18, 2014 4:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Hasn't the battlefield coagulant and sealant been used by Special Forces and medics for a few decades now?

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Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:04 AM

WISHIMAY

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Hasn't the battlefield coagulant and sealant been used by Special Forces and medics for a few decades now?

With todays Vet care, they prolly still give 'em tampons...which I've heard actually DO work pretty well, but...

Be nice if it was because of Serenity. Yanno, like Star Trek inspired stuff...

http://www.massgeneral.org/about/newsarticle.aspx?id=1870

This is one I read about a few years ago that I think is interesting, but I have concerns about insta-sealing in bacteria and what-not. I mean we have anti-biotics and I would totally go for it if I had the option, but it's something to consider anyhoo.

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Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:17 AM

WISHIMAY

P.S.

Out of curiosity, and to see if anyone can answer it correctly-
Do any of you know why dogs can smell cancer?

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Monday, July 21, 2014 10:48 AM

BYTEMITE

Pretty sure it's in the exact way that dogs can actually smell bombs or drugs - meaning, they can't.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014
/05/cancer_sniffing_dogs_can_dogs_detect_and_screen_for_disease.html

Scientists tend to get tripped up a lot about correlations and their own biases and anecdotal evidence in an experiment without actually asking themselves if it's even meaningful. That's why the state of medicine right now is such a goddamn wreckage.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 4:12 PM

WISHIMAY

Actually, I believe they can. Have you ever smelled anyone immanently dying of cancer? It's acid. Cancer grows best in an acidic environment, and by the time it's spread they smell like a corroded car battery. It's a smell I'll never forget as long as I live.... I'm sure to something with a much more sensitive nose it's very clear.

It's kinda like smelling a coke and a diet coke. When I was a waitress, and we got drinks mixed up we used to smell them, because a regular coke and a diet smell vastly different... as do acidic strawberries and sweet strawberries...

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Monday, July 21, 2014 4:52 PM

BYTEMITE

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Have you ever smelled anyone immanently dying of cancer? It's acid. Cancer grows best in an acidic environment, and by the time it's spread they smell like a corroded car battery.

Yes. I've been around them. It's not so much the cancer that kills, but complications arising from it. Toxicity from liver damage, blood clotting from out of control angiogenesis, infection as the immune system becomes overburdened, damage to surrounding braincells interrupting signaling pathways. I have seen all of those happen personally. None of them smelled particularly acidic, except perhaps the liver cancer one smelled a bit fermented.

Blood pH is tightly regulated - tumors do well in the same pH that your other cells do. However, some research suggests that in isolated lab environments, some tumor cells may do well in more acidic environment, and there are some indications that the internal parts of the cancer cells do become more acidic. There's speculation that adapted response of our cells to those conditions may be demethylation to go back to a much earlier evolutionary state. Hence, the out of control replication. But you wouldn't be able to smell that through the cell membrane. Now, people who are very sick may lose the ability to control their body pH, but that is an indication of being very ill, not of cancer in specific.

http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=13914
&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=pr_

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_cancer_center/news_events/featur
ed/cancer_update_email_it_is_a_hoax.html

As for dogs smelling zero stage cancer? All the studies about dogs smelling cancer in any stage are pretty seriously flawed, and early stages are even more doubtful.

The bomb and drug sniffing dogs are a joke.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 5:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Actually, I believe they can. Have you ever smelled anyone immanently dying of cancer? It's acid. Cancer grows best in an acidic environment,

is that correct? I had thought I heard it was the opposite, cancer cannot grow in acidic environs. Which is it?

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Monday, July 21, 2014 11:52 PM

WISHIMAY

I think you are confusing Alkaline and Acidic. I've done that...

"Many people become confused in regards to alkaline and acid diets because they think that it refers to the actual pH level of the food itself. This is not the case, as some foods which are highly acidic in their natural form, such as lemons and limes, actually have an alkaline effect on the body. An alkaline diet usually involves eating minimal amounts of meats, dairy products, white flour and white sugar, because these foods have a very acidic reaction on the body’s pH level. Instead, the diet usually focuses heavily on fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts such as almonds, and soy products, because they leave an alkaline ash within the body.
How Does an Alkaline Diet Affect Cancer Cells?
Studies have shown that in the test tube, cancer cells and tumors thrive and grow in a more acidic environment. When the level of acid is lowered, tumors grow much more slowly. If this behavior occurs in the test tube, it stands to reason that cancer cells in the body would also be detrimentally affected by an overall alkaline environment. It would also make sense that if the body’s pH is acidic, then the growth of cancer cells and tumors would be encouraged."

From the interwebs

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:07 AM

WISHIMAY

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Now, people who are very sick may lose the ability to control their body pH, but that is an indication of being very ill, not of cancer in specific.

As for dogs smelling zero stage cancer? All the studies about dogs smelling cancer in any stage are pretty seriously flawed, and early stages are even more doubtful.

The bomb and drug sniffing dogs are a joke.

And yet, like Roswell and aliens people have been having personal experiences for decades and we dismiss them because it didn't personally happen to us...

BTW, it DID actually happen to my uncle. His neighbors dog did the whole "shove the muzzle up the bum thing" every time it came over that according to his owner he only ever did with other dogs. Yep, prostate cancer. On a mostly vegetarian who still exercised every day, might I add...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2700561/Daisy-dog-whos-sniff
ed-500-cases-cancer-She-saved-woman-research-revealed-uncanny-skill.html

Also from the interwebs. Second paragraph.

There are two factors that are ALWAYS present with Cancer no matter what else may be present. Those two factors are Acid pH and Lack of Oxygen. Can we manipulate those two factors that always have to be present for Cancer to develop and by doing so will that help reverse the Cancer? If so, we need to learn how to manipulate pH and Oxygen.

Remember that the pH number is an exponent number of 10; therefore, a small difference in pH translates to a BIG difference in the number of oxygen or OH-ions. In other words, blood with a pH value of 7.45 contains 64.9% more oxygen than blood with a pH value of 7.3. Cancer needs an acid / low oxygen environment to survive and flourish. Terminal Cancer patients are about 1000 times more acidic than they should be. This equates to dangerously low amounts of oxygen at the cellular level.

In the absence of oxygen, glucose undergoes fermentation to lactic acid. This causes the pH of the cell to drop even lower. Urine and saliva pH of Terminal Cancer patients almost always runs between 4.0 and 5.5. When the cancer goes into metastases the pH drops even lower. Our bodies simply cannot fight disease if our body pH is not properly balanced.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:19 AM

WISHIMAY

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The bomb and drug sniffing dogs are a joke.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "joke"

Maybe slightly misrepresented for authoritarian purposes...

Can they smell explosive materials? Sure
Can they smell just about ANY chemical you train them to? Sure.

What I have a hard time with is the amounts they claim to be able to detect, and the conditions they do it in. They'd have to be friggin' Sherlock Holmes with a nose and the same amount of concentration.

I give 'em a one in maybe 6 of getting it. The important thing here is that the baddies THINK they can do better then that. I'd rather have a few dogs around and provide a small deterrent, and hell, maybe it'll even teach some of these asshole cops not to shoot at anything furry that moves their way...

Well, I can hope. Useless though that is most days... I know, I know. Call me Eeyore. You wouldn't be the first...

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:12 AM

BYTEMITE

>I think you are confusing Alkaline and Acidic. I've done that...

I am not. Alkalines are bases. Acidic is positive hydrogen ions. They are the determining factors in the pH scale, so you can't talk about one without talking about the other.

And you can't believe everything you read on the internet. You should confirm that your source is a credited and respected source. Mine were from Johns Hopkins Institute and the American Institute of Cancer Research.

The diet and acidity thing is mostly a myth. As is the alkaline and diet thing. And so is the oxygen thing. My links go into details why.

The daily fail isn't really a good scientific counter source.

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There are two factors that are ALWAYS present with Cancer no matter what else may be present. Those two factors are Acid pH and Lack of Oxygen. Can we manipulate those two factors that always have to be present for Cancer to develop and by doing so will that help reverse the Cancer? If so, we need to learn how to manipulate pH and Oxygen.

No. If cancer cells required low oxygen, they would not release angiogenesis promoting hormones. There would not be reason to have blood supply to cancer cells. Cancer cells are normal cells except for their resistance to apoptosis and their replication rates, they thrive under the same conditions as your other cells.

If curing cancer were as simple as DIET and oxygen we would have solved the problem a thousand years ago.

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Remember that the pH number is an exponent number of 10; therefore, a small difference in pH translates to a BIG difference in the number of oxygen or OH-ions.

H+ to OH- is on the pH scale, but your blood is pH regulated. If it wasn't all your other cells would die and so would your cancer cells.

Lactic acid isn't particularly associated with tumor cell metabolism. dehemoglobin'd blood oxygen is related to decreases in blood pH, but this is again more of an issue with being sick in general than with tumors in specific.

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And yet, like Roswell and aliens people have been having personal experiences for decades and we dismiss them because it didn't personally happen to us...

Y'know why anecdotal evidence isn't considered scientific evidence? And how I was complaining about that and the state of medicine nowadays?

I don't really even have to finish that.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:14 AM

BYTEMITE

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
The bomb and drug sniffing dogs are a joke.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "joke"

Maybe slightly misrepresented for authoritarian purposes...

I would. Most of the time they just go off trainer cues, and are commonly known for trainers directing them to give deliberate false positives and ringers.

That's a little beyond just misrepresented for authoritarian purposes, that's complete incompetence at the job being given credence as viable evidence.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:37 AM

BYTEMITE

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Actually, I believe they can. Have you ever smelled anyone immanently dying of cancer? It's acid. Cancer grows best in an acidic environment,

is that correct? I had thought I heard it was the opposite, cancer cannot grow in acidic environs. Which is it?

It's the opposite except for certain cancers in isolated lab conditions.

EVERYTHING in your body requires a very strict pH level between 7.35 and 7.45. Outside of that range your proteins denature and your cells up and disintegrate, they don't go cancerous.

7.35 is not an acidic environment. It's very slightly basic. 7.45 is slightly more basic.

The balance between H+ and OH- ions change on a logarithmic level even at slight pH changes, but even then that is not likely to pose a major difference to cancer cell growth beyond that both are in normal human range and optimal for cell growth.

And you really don't change your blood pH or blood oxygen through diet and attempting to change it with medicine or other therapy is more dangerous than the cancer. So I'm giving this a gigantic "no."

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:52 AM

WISHIMAY

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>I think you are confusing Alkaline and Acidic. I've done that...

Do you really think everything is about YOU?

Most people would realize I was talking to JSF. I really didn't think I even needed to post the name, it was that obvious

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:21 AM

BYTEMITE

Considering I didn't see JSF's post until later because it was a smaller post tucked in larger posts, and considering that it was still unclear even after because it was continuing the conversation we were having and neither me nor JSF said anything in particular about alkalinity...

Yeah whatever, sure, it's ALL about me. I'm arrogant, and who gives a shit one way or the other.

And you're still wrong about cancer growth factors.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:00 PM

THGRRI

Cancer cells dividing.

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