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US Appeals Court Finds Obamacare Insurance Subsidies Invalid In Most States

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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It may be back to square 1 for Obamacare.

Moments ago, in what NBC classified as a "potentially lethal blow to Obamacare" a federal appeals court has ruled that the federal government may not subsidize health insurance plans bought by people in states that decided not to set up their own marketplaces under Obamacare. The law clearly says that states are to set up the exchanges. But 34 states opted not to, and the federal government took over in those states. The court ruled that federal government may not pay subsidies for insurance plans in those states.

As the Hill reports further, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals said the Affordable Care Act does not permit the IRS to distribute premium subsidies in the federal ObamaCare exchange, meaning those consumers must bear the full cost of their insurance.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/potentially-lethal-blow-obama
care-us-appeals-court-finds-insurance-subsidies-invalid


From that site you love to hate.

On to the Supreme Court!

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:49 PM

GEEZER

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A little more research would have shown that there were two decisions by two appeals courts that went different ways.

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Two federal appellate courts handed down contradictory rulings Tuesday on the legality of a central part of the Affordable Care Act that provides insurance subsidies to millions of Americans in three dozen states.

The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the subsidies available under the 2010 health-care law may be provided only to residents of states that set up their own health insurance marketplaces. Less than two hours later, the Richmond-based 4th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the subsidies, ruling in a separate case that the law’s language was ambiguous, giving the Obama administration the authority to allow the subsidies nationwide.

The divergent rulings increase the likelihood that the question will be decided by the Supreme Court. If the subsidies ultimately are struck down for states that did not set up their own marketplaces, it would be a crippling blow to the federal program, dramatically reducing the ability of low- and middle-income Americans to pay for health insurance, which is now mandatory for most people.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-appeals-
court-panel-deals-major-blow-to-health-law/2014/07/22/c86dd2ce-06a5-11e4-bbf1-cc51275e7f8f_story.html?hpid=z1


Looks like another trip to the Supremes for the ACA.




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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:07 PM

AURAPTOR

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Will CJ Roberts get a chance to make amends, or does the Obama regime continue to hold a 'metaphorical' gun to his or his family's head ?

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:03 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Will CJ Roberts get a chance to make amends, or does the Obama regime continue to hold a 'metaphorical' gun to his or his family's head ?



Give me a break, it's not a constitutional question. It is a poorly worded section in the bill that leaves it open to interpretation. Now it is a gamble to send it back to congress to fix or for the Republicans to look like they are taking away millions of peoples ins. out of spite. All the drafters of the bill said this was a mistake.


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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:54 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Give me a break, it's not a constitutional question. It is a poorly worded section in the bill that leaves it open to interpretation. Now it is a gamble to send it back to congress to fix or for the Republicans to look like they are taking away millions of peoples ins. out of spite. All the drafters of the bill said this was a mistake.




It's the law, as it was written, and should not stand. The law itself is a mistake.

The GOP aren't taking anything away from anyone. Those who still have $ can pay for ins. There's just no justification for there to be a govt pay out for it.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:15 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Give me a break, it's not a constitutional question. It is a poorly worded section in the bill that leaves it open to interpretation. Now it is a gamble to send it back to congress to fix or for the Republicans to look like they are taking away millions of peoples ins. out of spite. All the drafters of the bill said this was a mistake.




It's the law, as it was written, and should not stand. The law itself is a mistake.

The GOP aren't taking anything away from anyone. Those who still have $ can pay for ins. There's just no justification for there to be a govt pay out for it.



3 yes 3 no, there are 11 when the full circuit court is in session. 7 of which were appointed by the democrats. It shouldn't matter but it does. All those who wrote the bill have sad what their intent was so we'll see.

Normally it would go back to the congress but with the way this congress is I doubt that will happen. Democrats are pushing word out to the streets that even though the Republicans in congress may not get a chance to vote to kill this, it is still their doings that caused this court challenge.


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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:17 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The GOP aren't taking anything away from anyone. Those who still have $ can pay for ins. There's just no justification for there to be a govt pay out for it.

Oh, but govt can pay for roads or defence or corporate welfare, but not THIS? We are forced to get CAR insurance (which I feel is totally Left wing bullshit, btw), but suddenly being forced to get health insurance is BAD???
FUCK all this nonsense.
Let our taxes cover it all, or let us pay individually. No mix. Either way we PAY, dumass.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:10 AM

AURAPTOR

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Oh please, the lame 'auto insurance' comparison?

:yawn:

You decide if you want to buy a car or not. You don't need to pay for insurance if you buy a car and drive it on your own property. "COMMON" roads, paid for by tax payers for tax payers to use, makes perfect sense.

But tax $ for healthcare ? Sorry, that's just insane. Your life, your choices, not mine. Right ? You smoke, you drink, you eat fast food 7 days a week, YOU should pay for the consequences of your choices. Don't make others pay. Pretty simple.

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3 yes 3 no, there are 11 when the full circuit court is in session. 7 of which were appointed by the democrats. It shouldn't matter but it does. All those who wrote the bill have sad what their intent was so we'll see.


Because the law doesn't mean what the law says, but what the politically appointed judges SAY it means ?

That's totally effed up, man.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


pssst... hey Rap, are you aware of what happened to Alisyn Camerota?

I was flipping channels earlier tonite and saw her. I almost puked. She's gone the Kiran Chetry route. The whole world has gone mad.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Suits at FOX dropped the ball. I honestly don't get the appeal of Gretchen Carlson, but she some how edged Alisyn out in Fox and Friends. She was the main reason I even bothered watching F&F. I was under the impression that Alisyn made the move off of F&F because of life style choices, meaning that she wanted a better schedule that synced w/ her home life.

I guess that wasn't the reason.

Sad to see Alisyn have to jump ship and slum it over to CNN. Their gain, though.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:56 AM

JONGSSTRAW


After 16 years, it's just WRONG to see her anywhere else. I can't imagine that someone with her smarts, sense of humor, and traditional values will be too happy there.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
After 16 years, it's just WRONG to see her anywhere else. I can't imagine that someone with her smarts, sense of humor, and traditional values will be too happy there.



Ha-ha. You remind me of Linus Van Pelt, when he first learned that favorite teacher, Miss Othmar, actually accepts MONEY.



It's a business. She just followed the $.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:53 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
After 16 years, it's just WRONG to see her anywhere else. I can't imagine that someone with her smarts, sense of humor, and traditional values will be too happy there.



Ha-ha. You remind me of Linus Van Pelt, when he first learned that favorite teacher, Miss Othmar, actually accepts MONEY.



It's a business. She just followed the $.


Perhaps, but sooner or later the MONEY won't be enough to satisfy her, and the day-in day-out libtard b.s. there will make her quit. We'll never know what really happened but I suspect it was rooted in the sweeping line-up changes that occurred after the hiring of Elisabeth Hasselbeck.

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Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I honestly never knew ( or if I did, I blocked it from memory ) that Gretchen was Miss America or some such.

Sure, she's got nice gams, but she's got a bit of a monkey face. Not literally, but something about it doesn't sit well w/ me. Or maybe I just don't care for her personality.

Alisyn is cuter, imo.

FOX chose... poorly, between those 2.

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Friday, July 25, 2014 2:26 PM

THGRRI


These are transcripts from the Supreme Courts dissenting opinion by Justices Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, and Alito on a previous challenge to the ACA. The last sentence about what congresses' intent was is what I wish you to focus on most. It strongly implies the Supreme Court understood what congresses' intent was, and that is a good heads up as to how they will vote if this new challenge to the affordable Care Act makes it to them. This new challenge is based on congress not stating what it's intent was about funding all forms of exchanges.

...because Congress thought that some States might decline federal funding for the operation of "health benefit exchange," Congress provided a backup scheme; if a State declines to participate in the operation of an exchange, the federal Government will step in and operate an exchange in that State.

In the absence of federal subsidies to purchasers, insurance companies will have little incentive to sell insurance on the exchanges....That system of incentives collapses if the federal subsidies are invalidated. ...the exchanges would not operate as Congress intended and may not operate at all.

Sorry Rappy, your fearless leaders are about to lose another one.


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