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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:23 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That quote that you didn't recognize? It was from your post. Saturday, December 1, 2012 6:09 PM

"... I jenerally spell wut I think uv az the proper pronunciation for each word az the best speaker woud say it individuly ..."

WHOSE best speaker? You still haven't answered that.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:33 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Language is not about efficiency, because humans are not machines. Language is about communicating all the varied traits and feelings and thoughts and cultural experiences of human beings.

The spoken languaj iz manifestation uv a natural ability. Riting iz an invention. Inventionz can be improved, replased, or even bekum obsolete.

Nooalf iz an improvement over traditional spelling, wich iz a very poorly constructed invention.

Nooalf iz able to communicate "all the varied traits and feelings and thoughts and cultural experiences" more efficiently & effectively than traditional spelling and can convey thingz that simply cannot be conveyed with traditional spelling.

Why do you believe a collection uv semi-random letter stringz dictated and enforsed by tradition haz sum special power to express your thots?

Sumthing you shoud spend more time thinking about.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Nooalf iz able to ... convey thingz that simply cannot be conveyed with traditional spelling ..."

I'm sure you have data to back that up. BTW, you owe some data for other claims you made. You seem to be really long on opinion, and short on facts. Plus you need to answer the question WHOSE pronunciation.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:46 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
That quote that you didn't recognize? It was from your post. Saturday, December 1, 2012 6:09 PM

In this topic? I'm not denying I rote it. Why do you think I'm contradicting it?

Quote:

"... I jenerally spell wut I think uv az the proper pronunciation for each word az the best speaker woud say it individuly ..."

WHOSE best speaker? You still haven't answered that.

You didnt read the post very carefully. I did mention Dan Rather. Pick any American network primetime newz ankor. They arent all equal, but given a single word to pronounce 'perfectly' they will all be pretty darn close.

And there duznt haf to be a single standard for the whole world. You mentioned British vs American dictionary pronunciation keyz earlier. Same deal.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:01 AM

JO753

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Nooalf iz able to ... convey thingz that simply cannot be conveyed with traditional spelling ..."

I'm sure you have data to back that up. BTW, you owe some data for other claims you made. You seem to be really long on opinion, and short on facts. Plus you need to answer the question WHOSE pronunciation.

You type faster than me! (not saying I'm fast) But you appear to be skimming rather than reading my responsez.

oM ToPN EUN U SUXUN DRoL RoT CAU. STRAT oDU XU HoT U TeKSUS!
(I'm typing in u southern drawl rite here. strate out uv the heart uv Texas)

Anybody proficient in Nooalf would be able to 'hear' that dialect even if theyd never really heard it. Completely impossible with traditional Engish spelling.

Wut other claimz, spesificly? In a previous post I explained that much uv wut I rote wuz frum jeneral knowlej, and coud be checked out with Wiki. The only thing that wuznt condusiv to that wuz the Chineze cheating thing, so I linked to a newz article.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:05 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:

Not that simple. Therez a great book on the history uv English you shoud read.
http://www.amazon.com/Story-English-Third-Revised/dp/0142002313/ref=sr
_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390255293&sr=1-1&keywords=the+story+of+english

I've read the Story of English. I own a copy. I've seen the series. I've studied linguistics.

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I read sumthing about a court advizor segjesting to the emporor that a fonetic system woud boost literacy in China - this wuz in sum middle age dynasty. The advizor wuz executed. The emporor realized that literacy iz power and that hiz power relied on the weakness uv the general population.

Anecdotal story that contributes nothing. Modern China is a literate country, despite its nonphonetic alphabet.

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But you are making the same lojik error 1KIKI made above. The number symbolz can reprezent both the spoken word and the consept. Spelling = consept = pronunciation. Wut you are segjesting iz that if spelling = pronunciation, it cant = consept.

er, no I'm not.

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You have an inkling uv how the rest uv the world feelz about English.

What does this mean? I don't understand your posts and that has little to do with how you spell things.

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I don't think you hav anything to worry about. The BBC iz available everywhere and your musicianz, moviez and TV showz are doing a brisk international bizness.

So how does that relate to my question about how those who do not speak standard american or british english communicate in Noalf?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:40 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

You are worried that American English will wipe out British English. So you can relate to people in non-english speaking countryz whoz native languaj iz being displased.

Quote:
from the Rosetta Project:
As a linguistic collection, The Rosetta Project also serves to draw attention to the drastic and accelerated loss of the world’s languages. Just as globalization threatens human cultural diversity, the languages of small, unique, localized human societies are at serious risk. In fact, linguists predict that we may lose as much as 90% of the world’s linguistic diversity within the next century.

[url] http://rosettaproject.org/about/]

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:29 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

I'm worried that American phonetically spelt english will be the linga franca and that not only will I have to put up with saturation in audible media of the american accent, I'm going to have to endure it with the written word.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"In this topic? I'm not denying I "

Yes, IN THIS TOPIC. Page 3. Yanno, I can't help you if despite all directions you can't find YOUR OWN POSTS.

"And there duznt haf to be a single standard for the whole world."

Then that's a problem. The purpose of language is to communicate. If you choose to create a non-uniform system, then there will be fewer people who understand each other. Why do you advocate a system where fewer people can communicate with each other? And why do you call it an improvement?

"Wut other claimz, spesificly?"

The other claims where I asked you for supporting data. You complain that I'm "skimming rather than reading" your posts. But you appear to be ignoring all the posts you can't answer. Go back and read my posts. You'll find all those claims I pointed out where I asked for supporting data. They're there. I promise.

So, still no answers, no data to back up your claims, no nothing except your own personal prejudices. Whatever. Just to let you know - if you can't engage in a dialogue, this is what you'll get -

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:16 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

I hav read and asnrd all your posts, 1KIKI. Several timez on most points, actually, since you usually dont understand the ansr. (or pretend not to understand)

Asking for soursez or data or referensez on points uv lojik iz a standard evasion tactic for peeps who know they hav alredy lost the argument.

I understand why everybody who can alredy read english iz agenst this. But in spite uv the rezistens, I like to believ that not all people are dronez who cant uze lojik to fix their own mental flawz.

MAGON, you dont need to worry about that for at least 50 yirz. And considering that idealistic foolz like me hav been trying and failing to introduce a real spelling system for English for 800 yirz, you can relax and forget about it.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

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Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:50 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Maybe my blog paje will work for you guyz.

I really like it kuz it gets the mesij across with very litl text.

http://www.nooalf.com/JOBLoG.html

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:01 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

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Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:13 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:

MAGON, you dont need to worry about that for at least 50 yirz. And considering that idealistic foolz like me hav been trying and failing to introduce a real spelling system for English for 800 yirz, you can relax and forget about it.

Okay. Done.

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Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:41 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Tryd to put Sideshow Bobz victory laff here, but it came up 'an error haz occured'. Then the next vid I tryd had the same error. Both worked fine in the Skeptics Society forum, so the problem iz here.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:43 AM

DAVEJE49

My Name is Dave E and I have known Mr. JO753 since we were both age 9 - 1969.
And YES...JO753 is in fact his real legal name too! He went through a lot of court trouble in getting it changed...
Knowing this man - my best friend - for some 45 years; I feel I can add to this conversation.

Joseph is very intellectual and presents good arguments. None can deny his logic...in fact, it reminds me of (the late) Johnny Carson; and why? Carson was a master of logic and studied so in college (JO has never been to college, btw) and Carson would say: "Pick a topic and a point of view..." about anything... and Carson would pick up the opposing point of view and conversationally argue that point...

My point here is that Joseph - or Mr. 753 - has good things to say yet he is quite arrogant in that his demeanor is "my way or the highway"; he is quite closed-minded. His arrogance led to the harm of our friendship when he in fact wrote on my mother's kitchen wall why he could not wait a day or two for the $1000 I was giving/repaying him. A loan from 1989, he forgave me that loan in 1993 but in 2006 I wanted to repay - and wanted to repay last year too! His arrogance has prevented me from doing so...and btw, I remain close friends with his younger brother....

JO 'demanded' of me that I am some how 'obliged' to 'sell' his nooalf...in fact said he would no longer talk to me if I did not sell his nooalf...he has this delusion that Im some sort of salesman, which I am not by any means... I've been forced into sales positions, never liked it at all; not my forte....

I will present his qualifications...again, from 45 yrs, I know JO753. He is a Master machinist and inventor.
www.zolkorp,com

My friend's business card:

"ZOL - Mechanical Design & Prototype"
Services include:
Design, development and construction of industrial and consumer product prototypes.
Fixtures and Special Tools for production.
General machining.
Slogans, Logos and Artwork."

I will not deny my friend. His younger brother a rather gifted cartoonist. I myself am a writer; I've written a Sci-Fi trilogy and some short stories based on that thesis...JO has never been to college while I have a degree and certifications. Meaning I think JO's overall education is lacking.

Some here have mentioned Shakespeare - I love the Bard and have taken classes in regards.
Reading Shakespeare is easy; and I also can read Middle English ; i.e, Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales", etc.

But back to "NOOALF"... I think it could be very helpful for disadvantaged children, say dyslexic, and for teachers to aid in the dyslexic thought process.
JO753 thinks he can - and should - completely take over the entire english-speaking world - and that arrogance is his weakness.

My old and dear friend should be more open and not so anti-social...

-Dave

(PS - my trilogy is the only known direct sequel to the 1976 Film "Logan's Run" by Saul David. If interested, feel free to email me at daveje49@hotmail.com)

-D.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:44 AM

DAVEJE49

whats up with the caricature? Im a 54 yo man, not a girl...

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:19 PM