Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed by SHINYGOODGUY

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Your police sound like arseholes

That's the difference between American cops and British, and I presume, Australian, ones.

I saw an episode of Cops once, the reality/docu-drama about, well, cops, where they followed the London Metropolitan Police around for a week. The bobbies encountered a crazy drunk waving a knife and threatening to kill anyone who bothered him. Bobbie says, "Now, sir, I don't think you really mean that," and talked the drunk into putting down the knife and surrendering. Here in America, it woulda been out with the Glocks and shoot him. Several times.

That is such crap and shows how thousands of community, officer contacts can happen and the few negative ones you hear about determines your overall opinions. It seems like the theme of this thread. Very sad.

Larry DePrimo, NYPD Cop, Buys Homeless Man Boots (PHOTO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/larry-deprimo-nypd-cop-gives-
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Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:49 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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This is what the left always does. Suggest that if you are always nice, if you only did this, nothing bad will happen. Tell that to the store clerk who just got robbed. It must have been because he was mean to the guys who robbed him right? Yes you have to police in a way that is community friendly but the left always assumes that the community will be friendly back. Wake up....these in many cases are very angry people. Just ask them, they will tell you they have been getting screwed all their lives. Result, anger....I'm a victim.

And they are. So stop victimizing people.

This is like our approach to the world: we bomb the snot out of everybody, and then we wonder why so many people hate us!

FIRST, DO NO HARM.

The statistic that blew JSF's cookies was the the one about the highest crime rate AND the highest incarceration rate. (The qualifier to that is: "In the developed world.")
A punitive approach only generates blowback, either in your neighborhood or in the rest of the world. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP A SOCIETY ON THE BASIS OF A GUN. Everybody has to buy into what you're selling; most have to get enough out of it to agree to abide by the rules.

Start with JOBS. If there was a decent-paying JOB for everyone who wanted to/ could work, you wouldn't have so many idle young men filling their time with mischief, and looking for alternative ways to make money. If capitalism can't do it, then don't use a capitalistic approach.

ALSO, I fail to see the difference between these young men and the gun-toting white folk who defy the law. If violence is your answer, get out the APCs for them too.

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the few negative ones you hear about determines your overall opinions.

Is your head up there for the warmth? For all of the negative ones we hear about, there are THOUSANDS of negative events that we DON'T hear about. In a previous post, I brought up NYPD's "stop and frisk" policy- a policy of frisking and bringing in a quota of young black men, and then slapping some ridiculous charge on them ("resisting arrest" was a favorite, as was "jaywalking") so it wouldn't LOOK LIKE the NYPD was doing exactly what it was doing: targeting young black men just because they were male, young, and black.

According to residents in Ferguson, the police were doing the same thing there. The reason for arrest, according to people who've experienced it, is called "walking while black".

Treating EVERY SINGLE PERSON LIKE A CRIMINAL* is not going to win friends and influence people, and it's not going to reduce the crime rate. All it will do is make sure that everybody hates the PD's guts and that no one will cooperate with the PD, even when it comes to dealing with crime.

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*Also, if you noticed this is the NSA's approach: because somebody somewhere might be a terrorist, we'll rip up the Constitution and investigate EVERYONE. The authorities have really gone off the deep end. They see everyone as potential enemies. Maybe it's because they have a guilty conscience? Or maybe they're just drunk on power, and fucking paranoid.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:09 AM

Sig

A black reporter, Eugene Robinson who won a noble prize was concerned about stop and frisk going away. He actually looked distraught while it was being discussed. His plea was that the program stay but they needed to start stopping more white folk. You see he knows what it means to eliminate the program. More black (not white) kids will start dying in the streets. Stop and frisk keeps many kids from carrying. Once they know they will not be stopped it starts all over again.

I was criticized for calling black communities war zones. A year does not go by that we do not lose more black teens to shooting that we did at the height of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined. They are war zones and the sooner more of you realize that the better positioned we will be to help. It's such an outrage when a white officer kills a black kid but not so much a problem that they kill each other by the thousands each year. How would you like to be a cop in those neighborhoods? How do you like paying all those taxes each year to clean it up? Maybe if they did not destroy the building they occupy and would stop wasting our resource within the court and health system we could build new schools there.

Thousands of Young Black Men Die in Gun Crimes Every Year
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/03/thousands_of_young_black_men_di
e_in_gun_crimes_every_year.html

$52,000 to treat a gunshot victim? And doctors and nurses at Stroger Hospital in Chicago, a taxpayer funded county hospital, mend up black and brown victims of black and brown gun crime to the tune of 7-out-of-10 of these citizens not having health insurance?

The unit treats about 1,500 gunshots and stabbings a year.

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2012/10/shot-through-hear
t-and-youre-to-blame.html

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yes, they are war zones, by WHY are they war zones???

We need start with nation-building, right here in our own borders.

But it's just so much easier to destroy than to build. And what we do best is destroy- just look at all of the neighborhoods we've destroyed everywhere throughout the world, including here in the USA. Great smoking clusterfucks everywhere we go, no matter if it's Aleppo or Detroit or Tegucigalpa.

Nation-building. Time to learn how.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:56 AM

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Yes, they are war zones, by WHY are they war zones???

We need start with nation-building, right here in our own borders.

But it's just so much easier to destroy than to build. And what we do best is destroy- just look at all of the neighborhoods we've destroyed everywhere throughout the world, including here in the USA.

Nation-building. Time to start.

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Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here. I agree with you but how it needs to be done is by those who live there. Once they make the move we really can help a lot. It is like stopping drinking though. You really have to want it to make the necessary changes. It very hard for them to take this on. A Marshal plan could be in order but remember with that plan the Japanese had very little say. Many of the people who live in these neighborhoods would buck against that. They have no idea how screwed up they are because they have spent most if not all of their lives blaming everyone else.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:12 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here.

It's a little hard to just focus on "here", because so much of what we do "there" comes home to roost. The militarization of the police, for example, is a result of 9-11 and the "GWOT" ("global war on terror"). The intrusion of the NSA into everyone's life, and the view of EVERYONE as a potential terrorist is because of blowback from the rest of the world. And then, there is the (completely failed) "war on drugs". All we've managed to do is metastasize our gangs into central and south America, and now they're coming here to roost... again. You can't have a paranoid authoritarian alphabet agency/ military goon culture without it filtering down to the local PDs.

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I agree with you but how it needs to be done is by those who live there.

Bullshit. A neighborhood can't create it's own jobs. As long as the larger commercial economy in which they're embedded exists only to suck money out of poverty, nothing will ever happen. EVEN IF they band together and become hard-working, crime-intolerant neighborhoods, what are these people going to DO for jobs and honestly-earned money???

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Once they make the move we really can help a lot. It is like stopping drinking though. You really have to want it to make the necessary changes. It very hard for them to take this on.

These neighborhoods are created because of the predatory culture in which we all live. What is the difference between a bankster and a drug dealer, except the size of the crime? What "move" are they supposed to make that's going to make their neighborhoods thrive, economically?

You're speaking from an individual standpoint. Yes, AN individual can beat the odds. But the problem is, in THIS culture, your gain is someone else's loss. You get a job, someone loses one. You get a student loan, someone else has not gotten one. You get a home loan, someone else has failed.

If you can't apply your solution to EVERYBODY all at once, then it's not the solution these neighborhoods need.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:14 PM

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What is it you people believe? Do you think all the cops get out of bed each day and head out to try and disrupt the lives of others. All they want to do is make it through the day in one piece.

Well, speaking for myself, I believe in Joseph Wambaugh. I've read most of his novels. He's an ex-LAPD street cop and detective, in case you've never heard of him. You may not have: he writes long books, with big words in them and no pictures on the pages.

He presents street cops as a mix, some good, some bad, some smart, some dumb, some idealistic and some prejudiced. That's in L.A. IN Missouri, the mix is the same, but the percentages are different, probably. In a town with 85 % black population, run by a white government, where of the 53 officers in the Police force, 3 ( or maybe 6, I've seen that number lately, kinda like an update.) of 'em are black, in a border state, with a history of organized racism, what would YOU expect the percentages to be? What kind of guys would the (white) city council and chief hire? What are THEIR priorities?

But Wambaugh makes the point that all cops are intrusive, and aggressive. That's what they're trained to be, what their superiors want. That they feel that they MUST control EVERY situation. That force is their tool, and that no matter how much they use, they'll probably get away with it, because anybody that objects is a liberal pinko faggot, and that no matter what the official policy is, the organizations aren't gonna punish them unless they REALLY fuck up BAD. So bad that the whole world notices. Rodney King Bad. And that was LONG before the present concern about militarization of police forces, considering them as occupying armies oppressing the local animals, keeping them down and holding them back.

There. That's a chunk of what I believe.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:15 PM

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And when a group votes damn near uniformly ( 90% + ) the same way, and have problems which seemingly never go away, one might come to the conclusion that they could do more to help themselves.

See "NRA".

How does racial make up have anything remotely to do with a group which anyone can join?

And what ' problems ' do the NRA have , other than standing up for the 2nd Amendment ?

WOW. Complete and total comparison fail.

I quoted your words exactly.

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... when a group votes damn near uniformly ( 90% + ) the same way, and have problems which seemingly never go away, one might come to the conclusion that they could do more to help themselves.

Why are you trying to bring race into it now? Always playing the race card, aren't you, you miserable piece of human excrement?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:25 PM

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Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here.

Like you are? The way you keep wanting to focus on "here" by calling out all the problems you see with "them" and "their" neighborhoods.

"They" are *US*. "Their" neighborhoods are *OUR* neighborhoods. "Their" problems are *OUR* problems.

If we're a people, a race of human beings, a nation, a world, then we're all in this together.

You seem to keep wanting it to be "us" versus "them."

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:26 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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But Wambaugh makes the point that all cops are intrusive, and aggressive. That's what they're trained to be, what their superiors want. That they feel that they MUST control EVERY situation. That force is their tool, and that no matter how much they use, they'll probably get away with it, because anybody that objects is a liberal pinko faggot, and that no matter what the official policy is, the organizations aren't gonna punish them unless they REALLY fuck up BAD.

It's like the old saying "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". So now, our PDs have BIGGER hammers. YIPPEE!

All you have to do is look at our budgets to see where our priorities are: hammers. And prisons. Fuck of a lot more expensive and intrusive than jobs, education, and drug treatment, but there's our problem right there: We have a hammer-centric view of problem-solving.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:58 PM

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Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here.

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It's a little hard to just focus on "here", because so much of what we do "there" comes home to roost. The militarization of the police, for example, is a result of 9-11 and the "GWOT" ("global war on terror"). The intrusion of the NSA into everyone's life, and the view of EVERYONE as a potential terrorist is because of blowback from the rest of the world. And then, there is the (completely failed) "war on drugs". All we've managed to do is metastasize our gangs into central and south America, and now they're coming here to roost... again. You can't have a paranoid authoritarian alphabet agency/ military goon culture without it filtering down to the local PDs.

Subjective and not relevant to the topic. Gloom and doom because you are about bitching and pointing fingers not fixing.

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I agree with you but how it needs to be done is by those who live there.

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Bullshit. A neighborhood can't create it's own jobs. As long as the larger commercial economy in which they're embedded exists only to suck money out of poverty, nothing will ever happen. EVEN IF they band together and become hard-working, crime-intolerant neighborhoods, what are these people going to DO for jobs and honestly-earned money???

Well there’s a good business model. Keep everyone poor which will help minimize our profits. You may think the cost of bread is higher but property values drop by the billions. Yes these communities can create jobs but that was not what I was speaking about. I was talking about them deciding they were going to effect change without waiting for society to bail them out. Then we could step in and help.

You have a typical leftie attitude. They can’t, which may pacify your need to lash out at those who have, but does little to effect change for those who don’t. (By the way, I am not someone who has much). Well, I say yes they can create jobs. Black leaders can court business to come to their neighborhoods. That’s how all leaders at all levels bring jobs to states and communities. The problem is the violence and undependable work force. That can only be addressed by the community itself. Some of what would be done people are trying to do, like getting local entrepreneurs up and going with loans.

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Once they make the move we really can help a lot. It is like stopping drinking though. You really have to want it to make the necessary changes. It very hard for them to take this on.

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These neighborhoods are created because of the predatory culture in which we all live. What is the difference between a bankster and a drug dealer, except the size of the crime? What "move" are they supposed to make that's going to make their neighborhoods thrive, economically?

These neighborhoods continue to exist as predatory neighborhoods even though things in this country have changed dramatically. You keep wanting to bring the outside world into this. You preach of gloom and doom. You make it sound impossible. They can change it if they wish. Have you ever seen a so called ghetto movie? One that shows what living in one of these neighborhoods is like. Did you see the kids in the schools with graffiti all over the walls and how they act? Would you want to hire most of these kids? Did you feel the undercurrent of violence that was always a wrong word away? Many of these movies made were accurate depictions of life in these neighborhoods (remember I lived there). You can blame whomever you wish for creating the situation but that won’t fix it. You look at a movie like that and all you see is victims. I look at a movie like that and think this shit won’t cut it in the world outside this neighborhood and if they do not change things will never get better for them.

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You're speaking from an individual standpoint. Yes, AN individual can beat the odds. But the problem is, in THIS culture, your gain is someone else's loss. You get a job, someone loses one. You get a student loan, someone else has not gotten one. You get a home loan, someone else has failed.
If you can't apply your solution to EVERYBODY all at once, then it's not the solution these neighborhoods need.

Culture sig, culture. You said it. If they do not change the prevalent culture within their communities’ things will not change or get better for them. It’s up to them sig not up to the left. You or I certainly can't fix it for them from out here.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:55 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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These neighborhoods continue to exist as predatory neighborhoods even though things in this country have changed dramatically.

WHAT has changed dramatically? Can people live reasonably well even if they work 40 hours a week? Are decent-paying jobs available for everyone who wants to work? Are loans available for supportable rates? Has the wealth gap narrowed even a fraction? The "predatory culture" that I'm writing about isn't the predatory culture of the gangs, it's the predatory culture of the banks and corporations which- at least as far as I can tell- has not changed one whit. THAT is the predatory culture that these neighborhoods are embedded in- the one that makes fraudulent home loans and then repos entire neighborhoods, the one that pays next to nothing for next to nothing jobs, the one that charges 1000% for a payday loan.

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You said it. If they do not change the prevalent culture within their communities’ things will not change or get better for them.

What I'm saying.... which you failed to catch on to... is that EVEN IF they change "the culture" of their neighborhoods, it still won't create jobs. Poverty and lack of employment will STILL be the #1 issue.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:11 PM

You just don't get it Sig. No one wants to do business there. As I just said in another thread, companies do not want to open businesses there. Why, because of the attitudes of those who live their. Why, because of the unreliability of the work force. Why, because of the violence. Why, because of the education level of the work force(or lack of). Why, because 50% of the work force has no experience working. I could go on and on but all you want to do is point out what should be, who did what to who and what is going on that resembles this globally and how too that is our fault.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:13 PM

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Frem,

once again, examples from your experience that lead to a sensible conclusion.
And thanks for the link to NoNonsenseSelfDefense. The Not-To-Do list from the guy (Peyton, I guess his name is.) boils it down to less than a Miranda Rights card. Cops should post it in their cars and have it just as available, to remind themselves to watch their behavior. It's worth quoting :

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1) Don't Insult Him
2) Don't Challenge Him
3) Don't Threaten Him
4) Don't Deny It's Happening
5) Give Him A Face Saving Exit (1)

If the cop in Ferguson had just rolled up beside those 2 blacks and said, "Hey, guys, for your own safety, I don't think you should walk down the middle of the street. Why don'tcha just go over there and walk on the sidewalk?"; maybe nothing would have happened.

This is what the left always does. Suggest that if you are always nice, if you only did this, nothing bad will happen. Tell that to the store clerk who just got robbed. It must have been because he was mean to the guys who robbed him right? Yes you have to police in a way that is community friendly but the left always assumes that the community will be friendly back. Wake up....these in many cases are very angry people. Just ask them, they will tell you they have been getting screwed all their lives. Result, anger....I'm a victim.

You DO argue just like Rap. It's not what I always do. I did not suggest that "you " should always be nice. I suggested that a police officer always should. And if you read my post, or the quote you quoted or that I quoted again here, I did not say that " nothing bad will happen."
I typed very clearly 5 letters "m-a-y-b-e". That's an important word.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:16 PM

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Your police sound like arseholes

That's the difference between American cops and British, and I presume, Australian, ones.

I saw an episode of Cops once, the reality/docu-drama about, well, cops, where they followed the London Metropolitan Police around for a week. The bobbies encountered a crazy drunk waving a knife and threatening to kill anyone who bothered him. Bobbie says, "Now, sir, I don't think you really mean that," and talked the drunk into putting down the knife and surrendering. Here in America, it woulda been out with the Glocks and shoot him. Several times.

That is such crap

You disagree that I saw such a video clip? Or you disagree that that is how most American cops would handle a drunk with a knife threatening to kill people?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:17 PM

BC

I stand corrected. However, we have had sensitivity training in place for many years and it is constantly being updated. The problem is, that the good behavior is mostly one sided. That is not to say there are not many great black people. It is just that they are not the ones the cops are always dealing with. They are dealing with those who have rap sheets as long or longer than your arm or even your leg. Hell, both legs.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:24 PM

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You disagree that I saw such a video clip? Or you disagree that that is how most American cops would handle a drunk with a knife threatening to kill people?

I am suggesting one incident does not an accurate picture make. If you think the Brit cops don't get aggressive with hooligans you are very uninformed. They also have about 240 million less people to deal with. Our poor neighborhoods are much larger than theirs.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:38 PM

Look, it may sound like I blame poor folks for everything that is wrong in their lives; not so. What I am trying to say is the way out is through hard work and school. I am not arguing they have not gotten and do not continue to receive a raw deal. All I am trying to say is it is not going to change and instead of banding together to complain they should band together to effect change within their own communities. Then our assistance will really make a difference. These communities have to learn to compete for what is out there and how to sell themselves as a viable commodity.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:47 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Look, it may sound like I blame poor folks for everything that is wrong in their lives; not so. What I am trying to say is the way out is through hard work and school. I am not arguing they have not gotten and do not continue to receive a raw deal. All I am trying to say is it is not going to change and instead of banding together to complain they should band together to effect change within their own communities. Then our assistance will really make a difference. These communities have to learn to compete for what is out there and how to sell themselves as a viable commodity.

"The appropriate emotion is shame — shame at our own dependency, in this case, on the underpaid labor of others. When someone works for less pay than she can live on — when, for example, she goes hungry so that you can eat more cheaply and conveniently — then she has made a great sacrifice for you, she has made you a gift of some part of her abilities, her health, and her life. The "working poor," as they are approvingly termed, are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. They neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for; they live in substandard housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect; they endure privation so that inflation will be low and stock prices high. To be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else." -- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barbara_Ehrenreich

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:24 PM

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"The appropriate emotion is shame — shame at our own dependency, in this case, on the underpaid labor of others. When someone works for less pay than she can live on — when, for example, she goes hungry so that you can eat more cheaply and conveniently — then she has made a great sacrifice for you, she has made you a gift of some part of her abilities, her health, and her life. The "working poor," as they are approvingly termed, are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. They neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for; they live in substandard housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect; they endure privation so that inflation will be low and stock prices high. To be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else." -- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barbara_Ehrenreich

Yes two all correct. This does not only pertain to inner cities though. More and more it speeds itself throughout society at large. More and more local municipalities scramble to find new and inventive ways of dealing with it. New ways to compete. Something lacking in minority communities. It is also a global free trade assisted truth. What you suggest is as old as time itself as far as the human race goes. That is why there is strength in numbers. That is why protests have broken out against wages in the fast food industry. That is why minimum wage has been taken up in Washington. It is why unions are so necessary. Union’s local workers vote against while they complain about their low incomes. My point throughout has been we know all this and have been citing it for decades. Has it fixed anything, not much I think? We have had decades of hearings in Washington, has it fixed anything, not much I think? Time and time again the leaders in these communities have marched too…..no avail.

The thing that has been missing is the corporation of far too many in the communities effected the worst. Their parents and grandparents were severely mistreated and they pass those emotions and world views to their children. Has that helped much, I think not? One reason the anonymous donor continues to exist is because he/ she stands alone. It is how the powers to be prevail. My point, they need to start the fix within themselves by taking back their communities from those who would kept it the way it exists today, those who bring trouble to the community that live there. Then they need to bring us in as partners not just donors.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:30 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The whole paradigm of "competition" for the lowest wage is wrong. The only people who "win" in that competition are the "takers" (as opposed to the "makers"). I know you won't understand this, but I have no time to educate you right now. I just want to say you're an idiot, shooting yourself in the foot.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:33 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

THUGR

I swear, you must really like the smell in there.

So - let's say the blacks do what you think they should do. They get quieter. Nicer. More 'respectful' of whites. They end every sentence with a Yas SUH! or No massah!

Do you really think it will make the slumlords invest more money in their oh so profitable slum housing - and cut their profits? Do you really think businesses will magically raise the employment rate and wages just to get blacks out of poverty? Do you really think more property tax money will appear and fill the coffers for better schools?

You have not ever answered this.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:35 PM

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The whole paradigm of "competition" for the lowest wage is wrong. The only people who "win" in that competition are the "takers" (as opposed to the "makers"). I know you won't understand this, but I have no time to educate you right now. I just want to say you're an idiot, shooting yourself in the foot.

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How about we concern ourselves with getting some jobs to come to the community before we complain about wages? You always what to put the cart before the horse. I could see you now negotiating for a company to come to a poor neighborhood. First you would say how much are you going to pay us. Conversation over.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:40 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's like when he said that he TOO understood what it was like to be hated JUST BECAUSE of the color of his skin - and never really grasped the fact that that's what was going on with blacks.

The guy's a frelling idiot.

I think he was raised to believe that punishment came from doing wrong and reward came from doing right and if you could just figure out what to do you could control your environment. It's the thinking of a three year old, but he will never learn different. I'm sure his amygdala is now too large, his threat pathways have a hair-trigger, and his frontal lobes are diminished. It's wired into his neurological structure at this point.

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The whole paradigm of "competition" for the lowest wage is wrong. The only people who "win" in that competition are the "takers" (as opposed to the "makers"). I know you won't understand this, but I have no time to educate you right now. I just want to say you're an idiot, shooting yourself in the foot.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:44 PM

1kiki

Look stupid. I am one of the only ones here being honest. All you and Sig know how to do is rile against the masses. The whole world is a fucked up place to you except Russia and it's America's fault. Wonderful, I wish you a lot of luck. When you leavin?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:48 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"First you would say how much are you going to pay us."

What's wrong with that? Only a slave can't ask the question: what's in it for me?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:50 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Still can't answer even one simple question? We figured. ;>

Originally posted by THGRRI:
1kiki

Look stupid. I am one of the only ones here being honest. All you and Sig know how to do is rile against the masses. The whole world is a fucked up place to you except Russia and it's America's fault. Wonderful, I wish you a lot of luck. When you leavin?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:28 PM

Click on this video to watch on YouTube and it will bring you to Morgan Freeman about wealth inequality.

Click on Morgan Freeman - The Roll Race & Gentics Plays In Wealth - CNN

For some reason every time now when I try to paste a video from say YouTube it won't work. It is as though it played and will not rewind?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:46 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
BC

I stand corrected. However, we have had sensitivity training in place for many years and it is constantly being updated. The problem is, that the good behavior is mostly one sided. That is not to say there are not many great black people. It is just that they are not the ones the cops are always dealing with. They are dealing with those who have rap sheets as long or longer than your arm or even your leg. Hell, both legs.

Who is this "we " in your second sentence? Are you, in fact, a police officer? Or do you mean the " community" that you keep referring to? The black one? or the other, bigger one, the one made of everybody but the black folks?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:51 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Yanno, not really all that relevant to the conversation, but I think THGRRI missed a vital point about those kind of bad neighborhoods.
Maybe the attitude you got wasn't cause you were white, maybe it's because you're an asshole.
Guess that never occurred to you, huh ?

Me, I don't give a damn about race, most folks around here don't thankfully, and when asked about it by a resident some time ago, I pointed out that my ancestors and the IWW were pro-integration long before anyone else, they didn't care if you were a black rail car porter, chinese rail line worker, korean washerwoman, irish cop, if you were a working stiff, that was good enough for them - apparently word of that conversation went wider than expected, cause I still have occasional folks come up and ask me about the IWW now and then.

As for "being nice", there's a difference between being civil and starting a fight/escalating - you do shit you KNOW (or ought to know) is going to start a fracas, you got no right to bitch when it does.
And you plan for things to go south, even so - you just don't MAKE them.

Back to my Case One - detailed above, that wasn't bravado, cause while it might have LOOKED like one guy, alone and unarmed out in the darkness (which does wonders for street cred, sure) the reality is much different.
See, what woulda happened had they chosen to engage instead of leaving ?

Well, firstoff I picked that spot for a reason, it's in the angle of two cameras, one with active recording capability I switched on just before stepping out and the other being monitored by Stacey in the office, and since it was me out there any rumble was gonna clear the benches, which means in thirty-five seconds there'd be seven more guys out there with a significant edge in training and equipment, not to mention that one of my "flashlights" is in fact an extendable coilspring strike baton - so, hard lines for the bad guys there, HOWEVER...

Just cause you have force at hand ain't no cause to go waving it at people willy nilly just cause you can, and in fact "threat displays" like that tend to escalate a situation instead of shutting it down - had I, sayyy, whipped out that baton and stormed up to them getting all verbally aggressive, getting in their personal space and threatening them, they probably would have reacted with violence which would be in their mind *defensive*, in part cause of known biases of the system, racial and otherwise - Zimmerman walked despite it being obvious he was a murderous punk who initiated that confrontation without cause, yes ?

Which is again, where the officer who shot Brown fucked it up, firstoff he used aggressive language when it was not necessary, secondly he got too damn close (See Also: Tueller Drill), and third, he pulled his gun ON A JAYWALKER... seriously ?
And by virtue of the second screwup, did it close enough for things to go rodeo at close range, cause he was a fucking dumbass.
Fourth and finally, he fired TEN shots, and at an unarmed person - the autopsy on that is gonna be pretty damning anyways cause that means he shot Brown after he was on the ground and neutralized as a potential threat simply by virtue of how many shots were fired, logical conclusion there.

Even if no shots had been fired, even if nothing had come of it but harsh words and hurt feelings, the officer *STILL* inexcuseably fucked up in multiple ways which indicate bad attitudes and piss poor training.
THOSE are widespread isssues needing to be rectified, and one of the reasons I think body cameras are a good idea - shit, *I* wouldn't mind one, cause it would be more efficient than having to whip out and boot up my Vivitar DVR410 when something needs documenting, and I train all my people to behave as if they were on-camera the whole time they're on duty, which is only sensible in that we have a couple of our own and you never know when someone with a cellphone or webcam is going to point it at you, so the simple solution is DON'T DO SHIT YOU DON'T WANT ON TAPE... of course, there's a pretty hilarious clip on the office PC of me freaking out when a big spider got on me... everybody has their moments.
Said cameras protect the damn cop too, if they're not a complete git, because at THAT point it's no longer he-said-she-said, but documented and verifiable, therefore the ONLY reason for the cops to resist the notion is that they KNOW they're corrupt and abusive, which makes all this crap premeditated - and THAT tells you all you need to know, right there.

-Frem

*Tuller Drill.
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Tueller/How.Close.htm

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:51 PM

BC

Society is we. Check out the Morgan Freeman video. Best bet is to do a YouTube search using the title above the video. For some reason the short cut does not bring you to the clip.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:04 PM

Nope Fern not the reason. Stop pretending you understand the street. Mental Health plays a major role here. Since you do not understand that you are not a reliable source for how to go about making things right.

Do you really believe the Black community could be traumatized for generations and still function normally? There is a kind of institutionalization that engulfs these communities along with what effects soldiers after combat. Post Dramatic Stress Disorder. You people are so consumed with the problems that exist outside these communities you forget to look inside. Put down the self-righteous signs. They don't mean shit to me. I try and keep it real. I may be off the mark a bit but some of you here are clueless as to how these communities function.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
BC

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BC

You disagree that I saw such a video clip? Or you disagree that that is how most American cops would handle a drunk with a knife threatening to kill people?

I am suggesting one incident does not an accurate picture make. If you think the Brit cops don't get aggressive with hooligans you are very uninformed. They also have about 240 million less people to deal with. Our poor neighborhoods are much larger than theirs.

I was not discussing British police interacting with hooligans. I WAS discussing a documented episode of a British policeman interacting with a drunken, possibly homicidal, person waving a knife, and how he did handle it;vs how an American cop would have handled it. YOU evaded that part of the question. How do YOU think an American cop would have handled it? Am I wrong in suggesting that he would have considered it a lethal threat, and outed his firearm and opened up?

Considering how 2 armed cops here in L A were confronted by a 90 pound 80 year old black woman armed with a sharpened screwdriver, and were, officially, "in fear of their lives", so they killed her?

Or the white BART cop in San Francisco (from South Africa , he was, a place with a great record on racial equality.) who had a suspect on the ground, handcuffed, and reached for his Tazer to stun him, but mistook his own gun for the Tazer, even though the handle is deliberately a different shape, and shot and killed the guy.

Or the NYC cops who thought a black man was reaching for a gun, so they shot him, and what was in his hands was his Wallet?

Or maybe this in Ferguson, where a suspect was fleeing, then had his hands up to surrender, and the officer reportedly continued to fire, shooting him in the back, and killing him? ( OH, yeah, where the local cops won't release the autopsy report, because it probably will tell where the bullet holes were, and how many.)

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:08 PM

BC

Yea ok I give up. Your talking about anecdotal bullshit that means nothing. This country is 19% black and you want to discuss a few different incidents. 19% out of 310 million. That is a lot of black folk and you think what you just posted shows a pattern?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:23 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Yeah ok, show the arrest record of anyone under 18. It's illegal. As far as the courts are concerned once you are 18 your juvenile record is sealed.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:24 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Nope Fern not the reason. Stop pretending you understand the street. Mental Health plays a major role here. Since you do not understand that you are not a reliable source for how to go about making things right.

Oh put a sock in it, tomato farmer.

You *DO* realize that I run night security for an apartment complex directly across the street from the roughest neighborhood in the county, and happen to reside at said apartment complex, yes ?

That said, three factors have caused the crime rate around here to swan-dive since 2008.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsilanti/statistics-show-drastic-drop-in
-west-willow-crime/

One, after being investigated, sued for nearly eight million and having their chops busted six ways to sunday, the local Law Enforcement took all the nasty old bastards who had a habit of beating up minorities for fun and assigned them to guarding the courthouse, replacing them with a more idealistic crowd of younger cops - they're still greedy and corrupt, but a little more inclined to be humane, and that counts for a lot, special props to Roy and Krings, who checked out a couple bicycles and went riding around the neighborhood talking to people like people, instead of acting like an invading army, and they got some pretty good mileage of out that.

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The approach helps the deputies regularly meet and interact with residents and improve what some say was a formerly strained relationship between the neighborhood and Sheriff's Department. Those improved relationships, police officials say, will help deputies fight crime.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/sheriffs-department-ypsilanti-township-se
e-early-signs-of-success-in-summer-crime-plan/

Two was the budget issue, we wound up cutting their budget in response to some misbehavior, and they threw a total hissyfit including a couple of vaguely threatening editorials and started "enforcing" traffic (i.e. revenue generation via tickets and forfeiture) so viciously it bordered on downright harrassment, and topped it off with busting a charity poker game and seizing all the money, so we cut their budget AGAIN and sharpened the axe some more - at which point they decided maybe behaving in a more professional manner was the better course of action.

Relative to that, they now want the police, fire and EMT budgets rolled into a single "public safety" one like most places have, thinking that might make us more reluctant to swing the budget axe, but said initiative was cut to ribbons at the polls.
We also on that same ballot made possession of cannabis "Officially the lowest priority of law enforcement" - by a margin of around 90%... Sheriff Clayton, who's a bit of a dick about this, then had his boys go all out busting anyone with weed, to which the community made him well aware that we could also RECALL his ass with that 90% margin and he sat down and shut up for now...
Amazing how much real work cops can get done when they're not caught up in that "War on (some) Drugs" bullshit - the average burglar around here generally gets caught in less than 14 days now.
And without all the fancy war toys, it handily eliminates the everything-looks-like-a-nail problem, too.

And third - a lot of these neighborhoods, even some really poor ones, went and invested in private and contract security.
We're not cops, we do not enforce the law, just protect the turf we're paid to, but it's a surprisingly inexpensive option, one neighborhood around here finances theirs by taking up a collection at the local church, of all things.
But what it does do, is frees up police resources which'd otherwise be bogged down in the petty stuff we handle ourselves, bonus that they can skip patrols of those areas and if something does happen they have a slightly-more-professional witness with a smidge more credibility than joe sixpack.
While there's no love lost in either direction (I've caught the local prosecutor in some chicanery regarding some burglars I rounded up) we do strive to be professional about it, and what cooperation does occur is hard lines for the local yahoos.

In this specific case, because I reside at the complex I protect, this makes it a "Turf" issue as well - the local hoodlums leave us well alone because there's really nothing here worth stealing since our residents are poor as anyone else around here, and trying means stepping into the dragons lair, in the dark... nah, not worth it.
(Which is the POINT, you cannot totally prevent it, you just raise the stakes and consequences to where it's not worth it to em)
And they warn off other crooks too, which converts them from a threat to a second line of defense - and in return, so long as they stay out of here, I am deaf, dumb and blind to whatever they get up to elsewhere, not my business, not my problem.

So really, long as I am out there every once in a while to wave the flag and remind everyone I ain't dead yet, this place is pretty safe, other than occasional teenagers looking to loot toll change or an unsecured GPS from somebodys car, really.

About the only concern I have in regards to racial tension/civil unrest is spillover from Detroit, since that bastard Snyder and his buddy Orr seem hellbent on provoking an already brutalized, traumatized populace, the water shutoffs being only the latest in a long series of attempts at slash-n-burn looting by him and his cronies - and yes it's still looting when you do it with a pen and a briefcase instead of a brick and a backpack.

Oh, and just as an aside, unlike most places we *DID* take action on the mental health issue, huge props to Yousef Rabhi for that one, managing to obtain some really substantial funding by way of a chain of deals that somehow managed to avoid stepping on any toes politically.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/washtenaw-county-moves-to-hire-39-mental-
health-workers-to-accommodate-growing-demand/

Anyways, contrary to your assertion, I am not an outside observer of these kinds of events, I happen to live and work right dead center in the middle of em, and regardless of the improvement of the situation over the past few years, this is still the kinda place you're better off avoiding after sundown.

-Frem

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
BC

I stand corrected. However, we have had sensitivity training in place for many years and it is constantly being updated. The problem is, that the good behavior is mostly one sided. That is not to say there are not many great black people. It is just that they are not the ones the cops are always dealing with. They are dealing with those who have rap sheets as long or longer than your arm or even your leg. Hell, both legs.

I heard about one several years ago, here in LA, at a time of interracial police abuse. A black journalist bet a media coverage team that he could cause police misconduct. He got 3 black friends, they dressed up in business suits, took his respectable car downtown and parked it illegally. They had a hidden camera watching, taping. They stayed in the car. Cop drove by, came back, red lights. The driver got out of the car. Cop demanded his ID. That's legal: a cop has the right to request that of the driver, to prove he's licensed, not suspended, registered owner, etc. Cop then demanded ID's of the passengers. Courts have ruled that a cop does not have a right to do that without probable cause. They refused , cop got pissed. He was gonna arrest and handcuff them all. They demanded that he call a sergeant. He did, Sgt. showed up, chewed his ass for exceeding his authority. Over a matter than at most would have been a parking ticket.

The Sergeant knew the law and the regs, the patrol cop either did not, in spite of training, or violated them. No discipline was given to the patrol officer. When the videos got broadcast, the big Chief responded that it was unfair, the officer was entrapped. But at that point, the patrol officer was disciplined. Letter of reprimand in his file or some such.

In spite of the fact that he tried to violate the Constitutional rights of 3 respectable appearing free citizens, on a matter of settled legal precedent. That law has been changed since, after the Patriot Act. Cop can demand the ID of anybody anywhere-- they might be TERRORISTS !

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:41 PM

Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video

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The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.

In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.

The owners claim that this is a claim the police have come up with on their own. For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store. But for now, that has not been corroborated by the store owner, employees or eye witnesses. As well, we are not hearing this from Johnson himself, so a number of questions remain.

Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.

As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.

They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone. So the real question is why the media has been taking the word of the police on this matter, even over the word of the eye witnesses and the store owner?

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doe
snt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/

But the raptard has already verified the video, so the store owner's account of things is moot, right?

Right?

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The whole paradigm of "competition" for the lowest wage is wrong. The only people who "win" in that competition are the "takers" (as opposed to the "makers"). I know you won't understand this, but I have no time to educate you right now. I just want to say you're an idiot, shooting yourself in the foot.

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Yep , Sig, That's why companies export jobs. Has nothing to do with reliability of workers, crime rate, anything else. If they can get their stuff made in China while paying their workers a bowl of rice a day, vs. any minimum hourly wage anywhere in America, they'll go THERE EVERY TIME.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
1kiki

Look stupid. I am one of the only ones here being honest. All you and Sig know how to do is rile against the masses. The whole world is a fucked up place to you except Russia and it's America's fault. Wonderful, I wish you a lot of luck. When you leavin?

Yep, ya better watch out Kiki, ya Commie bitch. And Siggy too. and probably NOBC too, only 'cept he's a Commie faggot.

Maybe y'all oughtta love it or leave it. . 'Merica, right or wrong, only 'cept ALL you wanta do is talk about what's wrong.

Ad hominem argument very much?

More and more like Rappy every post.

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:51 PM

I'm just going to leave this over here where it will be out of the way and unnoticed...

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Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
1kiki

Look stupid. I am one of the only ones here being honest. All you and Sig know how to do is rile against the masses. The whole world is a fucked up place to you except Russia and it's America's fault. Wonderful, I wish you a lot of luck. When you leavin?

Yep, ya better watch out Kiki, ya Commie bitch. And Siggy too. and probably NOBC too, only 'cept he's a Commie faggot.

Maybe y'all oughtta love it or leave it. . 'Merica, right or wrong, only 'cept ALL you wanta do is talk about what's wrong.

Ad hominem argument very much?

More and more like Rappy every post.

Yessir.

And if you've been paying attention, *ALL* of the problems in "their" neighborhoods - you know, the *black* neighborhoods - are their own fault for not changing what's wrong with them.

However, if you should ever try to point out what's wrong with America as a whole, why then, mister, you'd better dust off your knuckles and get ready for some chin music, cause them's fightin' words, and in Ronald Reagan's America, you better say we're the best or get the hell out!

He seems to be even more mentally fucked than the raptard, if that's at all possible.

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Monday, August 18, 2014 12:03 AM

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Nope Fern not the reason. Stop pretending you understand the street

First off, maybe you oughtta stop calling him FERN. Give him some respect, asshole. He goes by the screen name FREM. And don't pull some crap about being dislexic or some shit like that. Either quit being malicious or learn to read and type.

And as for him understanding the street, haven't you read anything he's written? He runs security in a Housing Project, in Detroit, if I remember right. He gets PAID to work for the residents there, to protect them, to help deal with their dangers. Sounds like, from everything he's written over YEARS, he gets along with them, and they get along with/ like/ respect HIM.

Sorry, Frem, I don't wanta piss in your pool, and I know you don't need anybody to stick up for you, but I'm tired of listening to him diss you.

E-T-A: Frem, also hadn't seen your response. I just mostly repeated what you wrote. You don't need me to stick up for ya.

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Monday, August 18, 2014 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video

Quote:
The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.

In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.

The owners claim that this is a claim the police have come up with on their own. For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store. But for now, that has not been corroborated by the store owner, employees or eye witnesses. As well, we are not hearing this from Johnson himself, so a number of questions remain.

Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.

As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.

They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone. So the real question is why the media has been taking the word of the police on this matter, even over the word of the eye witnesses and the store owner?

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doe
snt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/

But the raptard has already verified the video, so the store owner's account of things is moot, right?

Right?

Also I saw here where The Raptard claimed that the dead kid, Mike Brown , had the cigars on his person-- well, body-- well, corpse. Haven't seen that one in print anywhere. But if The Raptard says it's true, it absolutely must be accurate and correct. Like so many other things he's been absolutely correct about.

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Monday, August 18, 2014 12:46 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

REALLY THUGR ? Morgan Freeman? You found ONE PERSON who agrees with you so you claim it's THE TRUTH? That's really sad.

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Monday, August 18, 2014 3:56 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

An interesting article, I wont post it and clog up the thread but there to read if you are interested.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/16/ferguson-michael-brown-un
rest-reality-segregated-society

I guess that was my question, given some of the arguments here about 'the black community' is why is there segregation even now?

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Monday, August 18, 2014 4:11 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

That's the difference between American cops and British, and I presume, Australian, ones.

I saw an episode of Cops once, the reality/docu-drama about, well, cops, where they followed the London Metropolitan Police around for a week. The bobbies encountered a crazy drunk waving a knife and threatening to kill anyone who bothered him. Bobbie says, "Now, sir, I don't think you really mean that," and talked the drunk into putting down the knife and surrendering. Here in America, it woulda been out with the Glocks and shoot him. Several times.

British cops are not armed, except with the baton thingee. Australian cops are armed, but dont tend to have the same aggression as Americans. But then we dont have a heavily armed population.

You know who is over represented in our prison population - men - they account for 98 % of all prisoners, which lead me to believe that men as a community are not interested in bettering themselves, and are destructive as a gender and they clearly want easy fixes to improve their lot in life.

Nothing will change so long as the men think it is someone else's job to provide for them. Right or wrong that mule they keep speaking about is not coming. It is just what the reality is. Even if they are right nothing is going to change unless they step up to the plate.

In case they haven't noticed it is their lives that are being destroyed, not women's. It's their lives that are disrupted not women. Right or wrong wherever they are they are contained and that is not going to change until they expand their horizons. The world is a hard place.

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Monday, August 18, 2014 9:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Autopsey out. Brown not shot in the back.

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Monday, August 18, 2014 9:21 AM