Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Autopsy hired by the Brown family themselves shows no gun wounds in the back ...

---

Quote:

---

Otherwise you have marshall law.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Why are there so few black police officers working in predominantly black communities across the country? Most here think it is because whites refuse them the opportunity. I think it has more to do with the job requiring two years of college. Why are there are so few blacks in Ferguson holding public office representing their communitie since blacks represent 67 percent of Fergusons population? Well if no one runs or only 6% of eligible black voters show up at the polls, of course the white guy is going to win.

Most of the bullshit posted here is nothing but a typical distraction. That this is all about whites hating blacks. Then there are those who push back with the same rhetoric of the past. None of which helps to move the discussion to where it needs to go.

Come on Frem, you need to up your game since you understand the streets so well. Why Frem does this always happen and what can be done about it? Please don't just say the politically correct thing like jobs. The ones who need the most help are not capable of showing up each day and taking direction from authority figures. No jobs does not get to the root of the problem and business owners certainly do not want to invest there. These people are raising the next generation of victims as we speak.

---

Quote:

---

The department also endured a corruption scandal. In 2011, city council members voted 6-1 to shut down the force and start over, bringing in a new set of officers. Everyone was let go, including Wilson, but he soon found a job at the Ferguson police department, where he has been since.

---

Quote:

---

In law enforcement, the phrase gypsy cop is law enforcement slang for a nomadic or itinerant lawman, a peace officer who floats from department to department regardless of, or because of, misconduct or poor job performance.

---

Quote:

---

Shortly after 2 A.M. that Sunday, they pulled into the parking lot of so-called “University McDonald's” and beheld a scene unlike anything portrayed in all those wholesome McDonald's television commercials. Before them, hundreds of young black males were loitering about, some without shirts.

Other local residents -- the more cynical and world-weary, both whites and most blacks -- would have taken one look at the crowd and driven off, dismissing many of the young and posturing black males as thugs. But not them: innocent white kids from the suburbs. They presumed this was post-racial America -- and that they were in an easy-going college town.

Twenty minutes later, two of them were dead.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/beaten_to_death_at_mcdonalds.ht
ml

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
My answer to your post is the one word I have used over and over again to suggest what has to happen to change things here for the black community. The word you used to describe how it was done in your country that I have repeatedly used is, THEY. THEY need to build what THEY want just as THEY did it in your country. There is a lot of public assistance to help and much more would be forth coming if THEY did some simple things.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact: Witnesses can get it wrong, or worse, lie.

Fact: * Fifty-one officers were killed when their department-issued firearms or another officer’s gun were turned against them. So all this banter about cops shooting " unarmed teenagers " is a bit misleading. If Officer Wilson had been injured from a blow by Brown, and Brown was coming back again towards the officer, it may be a legitimate use of force the officer used for self defense.

Fact: Autopsy hired by the Brown family themselves shows no gun wounds in the back.

We'll find out soon enough what, if any injuries Officer Wilson sustained.

Yes, that's something I would like to see. A doctor's report and x-rays of his eye socket. Various reports by news outlets indicate that Wilson, our hero, was treated with a swollen face, but that the x-rays came back negative for any serious injury.


Where's ANY evidence that Brown was in the fetal position?

4 witnesses, although it is hearsay. Much like your eye socket stories, since there's no proof of any serious injury to our HERO cop.



* http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/11/robert-farago/washington-post
-more-cops-killed-by-their-own-gun-than-straw-purchases/

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Why are there so few black police officers working in predominantly black communities across the country? Most here think it is because whites refuse them the opportunity. I think it has more to do with the job requiring two years of college. Why are there are so few blacks in Ferguson holding public office representing their communitie since blacks represent 67 percent of Fergusons population? Well if no one runs or only 6% of eligible black voters show up at the polls, of course the white guy is going to win.

Most of the bullshit posted here is nothing but a typical distraction. That this is all about whites hating blacks. Then there are those who push back with the same rhetoric of the past. None of which helps to move the discussion to where it needs to go.

Come on Frem, you need to up your game since you understand the streets so well. Why Frem does this always happen and what can be done about it? Please don't just say the politically correct thing like jobs. The ones who need the most help are not capable of showing up each day and taking direction from authority figures. No jobs does not get to the root of the problem and business owners certainly do not want to invest there. These people are raising the next generation of victims as we speak.

---

Surprised no one else has made the connection.
It's already been posted in this thread, statistical evidence that the police and courts of the region engage in en-masse shakedown and harrassment of the black community, which means by the time they hit their late teens most of em have a record, not cause of anything they do different but because you throw ENOUGH shit at someone over time some is gonna stick - hell the average american commits three felonies a day.

Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229/

And of course, BECAUSE of that record they're then blocked from a lot of jobs, AND from the kinds of assistance which could make up the lack, leaving them but one option to survive, which almost inevitably results in an eventual Felony conviction, with me so far ?

Well yanno what that means - IT MEANS THEY CAN NOT VOTE.
Duh.
Which is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of this lameass bullshit, to disenfranchise them (also depriving them of the right to bear arms, further crushing potential resistance) so that the fuckers in power around there REMAIN in power.

But of course such inconvenient facts are ignored in the rush to blame the victims of such policies lest we be forced to admit culpability in a broken system which feeds on those helpless against it.
Nobody wants to talk about how those petty bullshit arrests for loitering or whatnot balloon when some poor bastard can't pay the fines, how that cripples their employment prospects even if anybody WAS hiring, leaving many with quite literally no choice BUT to play the cards they been dealt and turn to crime, a self-fulfilling prophecy often as not started by nothing more than some cop wanting to fuck with a teenager for no better reason than what color they are.

Awful hard for people to better themselves when so many of em get slapped with the forever mark of doom before they ever have a chance to.

-Frem

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Horse shit, you are denying the obvious, the statistics have been presented, the facts have been laid out, and you ignore every goddamn bit of it to go on blaming the victims, this so-called-culture which is just a lameass excuse to turn a blind eye.

Tell me, how many cops have so far been suspended for the nasty shit they're willing to do in public, on camera, just in this mess alone, four, five ?
Just imagine the crap they pull when no ones looking.
Not to mention that every single measure that's been brought to the table which would improve accountability they've fought tooth and nail, that smacks of premeditation, and you wanna talk "culture", how bout the thin blue line and resultant culture of corruption ?
And here's a handy little fact for you.

Darren Wilson’s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/darren_wilsons_former_police_force_was
_disbanded_for_excessive_force_and_corruption/

Quote:

---

The department also endured a corruption scandal. In 2011, city council members voted 6-1 to shut down the force and start over, bringing in a new set of officers. Everyone was let go, including Wilson, but he soon found a job at the Ferguson police department, where he has been since.

---

This is a known phenomenon, one also remaining unaddressed by any potential reforms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_cop

Quote:

---

In law enforcement, the phrase gypsy cop is law enforcement slang for a nomadic or itinerant lawman, a peace officer who floats from department to department regardless of, or because of, misconduct or poor job performance.

---

So even firing the bastards, hard as it is to do, and rare that it happens, still accomplishes little cause they just move on to the next department over and lather, rinse, repeat.

As to "why it is the way it is", the answer to that is simple.
Fuckheads like YOU cockblocking any useful discussion or implementation of the reforms necessary to reign in these badge bearing psychopaths, because they're so fucking intent to blame people of color for being harrassed that it escapes them completely that the harrassment *IS* the problem.

Oh, and in regards to your ridiculous assertion that the whole three-felonies-a-day is bunk ?
Tell me, are you on a broadband connection right now, hrm ?
Are you perhaps, connecting to the internet at ANY speed in excess of 28,800bps ?
Bang, one Felony.

Can your phone speed dial ?
(As example, and yes people can and have been prosecuted for this, See Also: Bernie S)
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM
&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=9&sctn=10&subsctn=0
Bang, two Felonies.

And in reference to the above statue, or related one in your state...
Do you own a Television or PC ?
Bang, three Felonies.

Just cause they don't PROSECUTE em unless they wanna fuck with you, don't mean that they ain't there.

-Frem

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
My answer to your post is the one word I have used over and over again to suggest what has to happen to change things here for the black community. The word you used to describe how it was done in your country that I have repeatedly used is, THEY. THEY need to build what THEY want just as THEY did it in your country. There is a lot of public assistance to help and much more would be forth coming if THEY did some simple things.

---

well done with the not understanding anything I wrote and in fact taking the exact opposite meaning

THEY were powerless to create change in one country under one kind of class/social structure yet the same THEY managed to do well in another place with a different social structure.

Systems matter. They can promote opportunity for all people of different social standing or they can entrench class structures and division.

I know in the US its more common to talk about race than class, but in this instance the two are pretty much the same. The difference is that with 'race' people such as yourself can identify characteristics of a group and make judgements about that group. ie Black people are lazy, they dont help themselves, they take government handouts. As if these features were to do with skin colour???? Weird. Your logic is deeply, deeply filled with prejudice.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
It is not our government or our society that is holding them down, it is there behavior, anger and antisocial tendencies. Why would someone wish to open a business within a neighborhood that functions at this level?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Yes two they have been screaming for this for a long time, then what?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:



I see what you are saying but I have a question. What is the difference between your style government and England's?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Has everybody been celebrating the glorious funeral presided over by Alby Sharpieton, who was able to fit this in before his next big fundraiser for ISIS (errr, I mean the American translation for ISIS, AKA CAIR, which funds ISIS)?

Praise Glory be!!
No instigator here, nossirree!

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Yes two they have been screaming for this for a long time, then what?

---

Didn't read the article about reparations, did you? If you got to part X: “There Will Be No ‘Reparations’ From Germany” you are provided a road map for how a great civilization might make itself worthy of the adjective great. Or, looked at another way, how to solve a problem in this century that the USA had for centuries. Whichever you prefer.

But some problems aren't problems at all worth solving unless they're your personal problem.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Has everybody been celebrating the glorious funeral presided over by Alby Sharpieton, who was able to fit this in before his next big fundraiser for ISIS (errr, I mean the American translation for ISIS, AKA CAIR, which funds ISIS)?

Praise Glory be!!
No instigator here, nossirree!

---

Are you being sarcastic? Or just ordinary slanderous? Right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham does says CAIR equals ISIS but she don't care what bull she says when she gets rolling on the radio. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/11/laura-ingraham-defies-reality-
suggests-muslim-l/200384

(WASHINGTON, DC, 7/7/2104) -- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today condemned as "un-Islamic and morally repugnant" violence and hostilities perpetrated by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and repudiated those who encourage Americans to join that and other extremist groups. -- www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases/12551-cair-condemns-isis-viol
ence-and-rejects-calls-to-join-extremists-fighting-abroad.html

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Magonsdaugther

I am talking about what needs to be done today. You seem to think you can do what you point out to a population with little consequence to the mental health of the population.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, witnesses can and do get it wrong, or worse, lie.
But in this case 4 witnesses lying is highly unlikely, all did not know each other and all four witnessed pretty much the same thing, with very few differences.

One woman who was driving directly behind the officer's cruiser, saw the whole thing. She witnessed the struggle between Brown and Wilson at the beginning of the incident. Her story was generally the same as others saying Brown ran away from the officer, who got out and immediately began shooting.

Kind of hard to attack when you're running away, unless you know of some new fangled strategy whereby you dazzle your "victim" by running into him backwards. I know, the element of surprise, you run into him with your butt.

Fact: Brown's body was found some 35 feet away from the vehicle.

---

Quote:

---

Yes sir! It is a bit misleading, everyone knows that unarmed black teens is a misnomer. They always walk around with their "gats" at the ready, and are always in search of white folks to shoot, stab and maim. Don't be fooled, they always are packing, even when the evidence determines they weren't. It's time people knew the truth, they have magical powers that makes the weapon disappear. Cops knew about this little-known fact, but were withholding the truth so as not to cause a panic. But, you heard it here first!

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/26/anatomy_of_a_fox_news_smear_ann_coulte
r_matt_drudge_and_the_dumbest_person_on_the_internet/?source=newsletter


Virtually every "fact" that the raptard has posted has been roundly debunked.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, witnesses can and do get it wrong, or worse, lie.
But in this case 4 witnesses lying is highly unlikely, all did not know each other and all four witnessed pretty much the same thing, with very few differences.

One woman who was driving directly behind the officer's cruiser, saw the whole thing. She witnessed the struggle between Brown and Wilson at the beginning of the incident. Her story was generally the same as others saying Brown ran away from the officer, who got out and immediately began shooting.

Kind of hard to attack when you're running away, unless you know of some new fangled strategy whereby you dazzle your "victim" by running into him backwards. I know, the element of surprise, you run into him with your butt.

Fact: Brown's body was found some 35 feet away from the vehicle.

---

Cop pulls up next to suspect, words are exchanged, struggle ensues, suspect reaches in to assault the officer ( possibly reach for his gun) , gun goes off, suspect runs, officer gets out of the car to pursue, suspect turns at him and rushes at officer. Very likely to have happened in that manner.

Quote:

---

By the way, the eye socket, you think that a human being could fracture someone's eye socket with his hands? Look who I'm asking.......of course, you do. Then where is the doctor's report? What hospital did he report to for medical assistance? Let me guess, it wasn't so bad, so he went home to heal.

---

You're interjecting views I never suggested on this matter now. First of all, there are several ways a person could give another person a broken eye socket. Yes, it would take a severe blow, at the right point, by a large individual, to cause such a injury. The suspect was 6'4", and over 300lbs , and likely striking down on the officer, who was still in his car. OR, it could be that the officer was attempting to get out, and the suspect grabbed the door, and tried to shove it closed, there by striking the officer in the temple, around the eye socket.

The news reports were that the eye socket was broken. Whether true or not, the officer was still struck in the head. That can't be dismissed. That's assaulting an officer.

Quote:

---

Can you believe a hero cop, such as our true American Darren Wilson, so afraid to show his face in public, even though he saved the world from a savage like Mike Brown. What is this country coming to when a hero cop, who braved a facial pummeling from a desperate criminal who jaywalked and pilfered a box of cigarillos, can't go on the morning show circuit because he's so afraid of................exactly what is he afraid of? He's a hero!

---

When have I once suggested anyone here was a hero ? More fictional view points out of thin air.

Quote:

---

Yes sir! It is a bit misleading, everyone knows that unarmed black teens is a misnomer. They always walk around with their "gats" at the ready, and are always in search of white folks to shoot, stab and maim. Don't be fooled, they always are packing, even when the evidence determines they weren't. It's time people knew the truth, they have magical powers that makes the weapon disappear. Cops knew about this little-known fact, but were withholding the truth so as not to cause a panic. But, you heard it here first!

---

Why even bother trying to converse w/ you when you're having such a fine time making up shit all on your own?

---

Quote:

---

Please I don't want to hear about death threats; personally, I think it's all bullshit.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Of course, your theory is that Brown was charging at Wilson. I remember that. But what would possess a young teen to charge at an armed police officer?

Don't know the answer to that one, but it makes you think, doesn't it?

SGG

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact: Witnesses can get it wrong, or worse, lie.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Hey Rappy, this guy is talking directly to you;


https://www.upworthy.com/this-might-be-jon-stewarts-best-rant-ever-bec
ause-ferguson?c=ufb2

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Hey Rappy, this guy is talking directly to you;


https://www.upworthy.com/this-might-be-jon-stewarts-best-rant-ever-bec
ause-ferguson?c=ufb2

---

Really?

Let's see... the over use of " unarmed teen " which automatically implies that he's harmless and was doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Highly edited video, followed by biased and well crafted ' comedy ' which is posing as serious editorializing of a news story doesn't make Jon's point anywhere near valid.

" The actual facts of the case " Hey Jon, we DON'T HAVE all the facts, and you KNOW it ! And yet, you prattle on, raised voice and well rehearsed inflections suggest otherwise.

He then tries to paint over the fact that while some token gestures have been made w/ regards to black on black crime, nothing's been effective. So instead of actually TRYING to do more, why, just stir up some racial animosity in Ferguson, and put out the donation cup , while you're at it !!

Despicable

Oh, and the world isn't getting hotter.

The heavily edited attack on Hannity , taking his remarks completely out of context, are a fine example of Jon Stewart's idiocy.

Michael Brown never raised his hands over his head. That's a lovely urban legend, being repeated as if it were Holy canon.

We have no idea whether this had 1 iota to do w/ race, what so ever.

And then Jon goes on to show completely irrelevant clips, out of context, so he can draw some phony parallel between what WHITE Americans bitch about, while BLACK Americans are being gunned down in the streets by over militarized cops.

Only, it's not actually happening. Save for the occasional maybe once a decade occurrence, most of the time, cops are doing a pretty good job at protecting the innocent from the truly criminal.

Jon paints a wholly false picture of this discussion.

If blacks can't get a cab, guess what ? It's not because of their skin color, it's because so many of them COMMIT CRIMES !!! Way out of proportion to the % of blacks who live in this country.

Yes, Jon. I AM tired of hearing about race and how it's the fault of WHITES in this country for how BLACKS are treated.


Sorry, oed, but your attempt to use a silly, inane Jon Stewart rant failed to some how shame me or wake me up to some eureka moment has failed.

BIG TIME.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:

It's beyond me why a 6'4" 300 lb " kid " would shove a store clerk if the " kid " had indeed paid for the cigars in the first place.

---

because they were thrown on the floor rather than politely handed over.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Let's see... the over use of " unarmed teen " which automatically implies that he's harmless and was doing absolutely nothing wrong.

---