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Study: Number-crunching could lead to unethical choices

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:17 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://www.rdmag.com/news/2014/09/study-number-crunching-could-lead-un
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Study: Number-crunching could lead to unethical choices

Calculating the pros and cons of a potential decision is a way of decision-making. But repeated engagement with numbers-focused calculations, especially those involving money, can have unintended negative consequences, including social and moral transgressions, says new study co-authored by a professor at the University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management.

Based on several experiments, researchers concluded that people in a "calculative mindset" as a result of number-crunching are more likely to analyze non-numerical problems mathematically and not take into account social, moral or interpersonal factors.

"Performing calculations, whether related to money or not, seemed to encourage people to engage in unethical behaviours to better themselves," says Chen-Bo Zhong, an associate professor of organizational behavior and human resource management at the Rotman School, who co-authored the study with Long Wang of City University of Hong Kong and J. Keith Murnighan from Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management.

Participants in a set of experiments displayed significantly more selfish behaviour in games where they could opt to promote their self-interest over a stranger's after exposure to a lesson on a calculative economics concept. Participants who were instead given a history lesson on the industrial revolution were less likely to behave selfishly in the subsequent games. A similar but lesser effect was found when participants were first asked to solve math problems instead of verbal problems before playing the games. Furthermore, the effect could potentially be reduced by making non-numerical values more prominent. The study showed less self-interested behaviour when participants were shown pictures of families after calculations.

The results may provide further insight into why economics students have shown more self-interested behaviour in previous studies examining whether business or economics education contributes to unethical corporate activity, the researchers wrote.

The study was published in Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes.

Source: Univ. of Toronto

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:09 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

This made me think of John Ralston Saul, author of a book about ethics being trampled by numbers. He is interviewed:

The book is at www.american-buddha.com/lit.voltairebastard.toc.htm

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

You are getting close, but maybe jumping to conclusions.

Numbers are used to attempt to portray real-world activities, events, phenomena, and represent them in an objective fashion.
If used properly, and interpreted correctly, these numbers, reports, calculations, figures, charts and graphs can actually be very useful.
Unfortunately, much of today's graduates use junk models, junk numerical representations, and put much stress on nonsensical figures, calculations, and such which do not have any real world application or correlation.
In olden times, much of this was called (and warned as) Garbage In, Garbage Out. However, these warning have gone unheeded, and now Any Garbage is selected as Input, and the Resulting Garbage Out is hailed as breakthrough and of unprecedented importance, when it is still just Garbage.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA

It's called humanity, Rappy, something you have no experience with, given that you've sold your soul to talking points of the Fascist wannabes like a good little brownshirt, and you don't even have the guts to admit it even online because you feel the need to hide behind a sockpuppet even so.

As gutless as such a course may seem, you multiply its cowardice by refusing to even attach your own name to such scumbaggery even when it costs you nothing, which tells the truth of you to all and sundry, you cretin.

-Frem

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA

And, of course, the fact that if you get what you "want", in the end, the fact that you will be first under the bus, the very first thrown into the machine, while all the while you scream and whine and cry about how "loyal" you are, cause you're so fucking STUPID, so fucking GULLIBLE, that the powers that be cannot afford to allow your dumb, stupid, gullible ass to even EXIST lest someone like me turn you upon them as a direct result of your pissant STUPIDITY, is also lost on you.

You know, they invented the word "quisling" just for shits like you.
Just so you know.

-Frem

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

RapKnight: some dipstick seems to be yakking in your direction. His delusions on so many levels sometimes pass for entertainment. But when you get a chance to respond to him, perhaps you can let him know that unlike his libtard biased "facts" reporting quisling as a made-up word, invented of whole cloth, it is actually (meaning factually, or having a conservative, reasonable bias to it's definition) alliteration to Norway's fascist collaborator named Quisling during WWII. I don't think Quisling "invented" his own name, tho.

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
You know, they invented the word "quisling" just for shits like you.
Just so you know.

-Frem

Be easy on him, tho - he might not take exposure to reality in a peaceful way.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:53 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh it's a real term, Rappy and Sockpuppet.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheQuisling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

And it's accurate besides you brownshirt/blackshirt motherfucking Jackals.
Alas that you should so desire, no few of FF Fans happen to know me in person, at range or even less, and you're fully welcome to ask thier opinon, unlike your gutless self, who needs to hide behind sockpuppets even in regards to his actual opinions, lest someone realise the true scumbag, quisiling, milquetoast, collaborator motherfucker that he truly is... which will in the end not save him cause like all such enabling slime he will be first under the bus and into the maw of the machine for the gullible dumbfuck liability that he truly is should people ever be stupid enough to fall for that bullshit, all the while screaming and crying and whining about how "loyal" he is, when in truth he'd roll just as quick to anyone else willing to feed his dumbass ridiculous, bullshit prejudices, and the powers that be are so well aware of this that they HAVE to eliminate his stupid fucking gullible ass before someone like me turns him against them.

And so, yeah verily, there goes you, and all your sockpuppets, Auraptor, because if even we mostly-uncaring message board yahoos can figure it out, you can bet those in power wary of your blatant dumbassery would make SURE to eliminate that problem at the source.

Frankly you should THANK me for saving your ass from the fate you so richly deserve, and are all but begging for, but honestly I'd settle for you having the decency to shut the fuck up...
Which I know isn't gonna happen, given you worship an ideology based on a prick who raped and murdered children for fun... but I can wish, sure.

http://www.alternet.org/story/145819/ayn_rand%2C_hugely_popular_author
_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders%2C_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killer?paging=off

Oh gee, what a "hero" you slobber at the feet of.... scumbag.

-Frem

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Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh it's a real term, Rappy and Sockpuppet.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheQuisling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

-Frem

So, ummmmm.....
You reply with 2 linkys to sources which confirm what I just posted, and support what I just pointed out.

The name was not "invented" by anybody, including Quisling himself.

Brilliant? Sarcastic? Illogical? Hard to tell with you.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Be easy on him, tho - he might not take exposure to reality in a peaceful way.

Gee whiz, I seem to have nailed that one.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Discuss things with yourself much?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So anyway, there's a problem with this reverence for numbers you seem to have rapp ... oh ... JSF. It doesn't tell you if your measuring the right things.

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

It's called humanity, Rappy, something you have no experience with, given that you've sold your soul to talking points of the Fascist wannabes like a good little brownshirt, and you don't even have the guts to admit it even online because you feel the need to hide behind a sockpuppet even so.

As gutless as such a course may seem, you multiply its cowardice by refusing to even attach your own name to such scumbaggery even when it costs you nothing, which tells the truth of you to all and sundry, you cretin.

-Frem

Why are you addressing me when I've not even posted in this thread ?

( Oh, that's right. You're not all there in the head. I remember now. )

The fascists are those on the Left, your idols, who are in power NOW.

Everything negative you direct towards others in reality describes yourself.

Frem - you're as wrong about this as you could possibly be. If you've missed so wildly on something so basic, what else are you wrong about ? Take an honest moment & really think about it before you knee jerk react .

And JSF - RapKnight ? You're gonna have to remind me the significance of that one , when ya get a chance.

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And JSF - RapKnight ? You're gonna have to remind me the significance of that one , when ya get a chance.

I posted it in one thread, although it applied to many other threads, any one of which you were valiantly battling verbiage with the hordes of libtard ankle-biting drones who seemingly were attacking you from all quarters, and you seemed the only one available from the side of Right and Truth (reason) while the rest of us were busy working or puttering in other threads. Your chivalrous actions defeating the libtards and providing leadership and facts for those unwashed others wishing to learn from an unbiased source were akin to a lone Knight defending the Realm, amid attacks from all quarters, incessantly poking at you, taking wild stabs in the darkness of their delusions, and all we could do is read the results afterward when we stumbled upon the remnant of the battle (the postings of the thread). So often you stand for those who preach reason and facts, either when we are away, or otherwise occupied, or at a loss for readily handy supporting facts.
I often find that you, like Rush, have already spoken or posted a viewpoint or argument that I would have had I been timely enough, that there is no point in me adding to it, or rephrasing it - but I do sometimes pick it up as if it was mine when others challenge your facts, by refuting their claims, lies, delusions, fabrications.
I do forget which thread it was in that I first pointed that out. Did you see it and have just forgotten, or did you not see the original mention?

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Wow. That's some explanation.

Thanks!

I guess I must have missed the initial explanation. I've seen you use it a few times, but just let it slide.

I wasn't sure if it was a reference to Bob Knight ( who I don't care for ) , Wayne Knight ( Hello, Newman ) the The Black Knight ( Christian Bale, I'm guessin' ) , or Knight Rider ( Lame 80's show ).

I'm pleased it was none of those.

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Wow. That's some explanation.

Thanks!

I guess I must have missed the initial explanation. I've seen you use it a few times, but just let it slide.

I wasn't sure if it was a reference to Bob Knight ( who I don't care for ) , Wayne Knight ( Hello, Newman ) the The Black Knight ( Christian Bale, I'm guessin' ) , or Knight Rider ( Lame 80's show ).

I'm pleased it was none of those.

Of those possibilities, Black Knight would have been the closest - not Keaton, West, Clooney, or Affleck version tho.

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Ha ha... I think we both meant the DARK knight, aka Batman.

Not this guy...

As I'm sure the local wing nuts would prefer to see me.

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Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

definition of a troll: "and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add."

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Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:01 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

It's a sad day when PN no longer comes here because it's too full of trolls.

Or he's in jail.

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Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Do we care ?

Are we caring about this now ?

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Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ha ha... I think we both meant the DARK knight, aka Batman.

I KNEW there was something not right about that.
Yes, Dark Knight.

I could add that often, when perusing one of those thread in which I mentioned, I envision that you are surrounded by the libtard minions, evil dervishes of the moronic left, yet valiantly holding forth with truth, facts, justice for any passerby wishing to be enlightened. Sometimes I heard French Horns.

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Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's a sad day when PN no longer comes here because it's too full of trolls.

Or he's in jail.

Has he been here lately?

Trolls have been here for a long time, doesn't seem to have any effect.

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