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Originally posted by JO753:
I dont know, man. That duznt seem to be working out too well in the middle east.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just to get back to the thread topic....

Language, like money and technology, has become our master. just as we can transmit abstract ideas like "electron" and "evolution", we can also transmit pointless ideas like "purple dragons", and even inimical ideas like "god" and "efficiency".

That is where humans ARE foolish: the tools that we use- use us. We should be wise enough to manipulate our tools for the desired outcome, not to be propelled willy-nilly into the future according to THEIR logical outcomes.

So I agree with you JO753, not only with the specifics of making English a phonetic language, but also with the general idea that we should be consciously reflecting our needs and goals into our language and our other tools (including money), and not just being unconscious carriers of a foreign logic.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

If sense were common, everyone would have it.
Mob mentality & greed vs Wisdom. Conquest vs Cooperation.
If Future reflects our History ... looks like it will,

I think we are @#*& hopeless.

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Are you requiring the acceptance of the "money is a required evil" part to support your claims, or are you intending your statements to stand without that foundation?
I cannot agree with the portions of the OP regarding the currency, so I'm wondering if you are leaving me out in left field, or are you trying to make sense without that given prerequisite?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Are you requiring the acceptance of the "money is a required evil" part to support your claims, or are you intending your statements to stand without that foundation?
I cannot agree with the portions of the OP regarding the currency, so I'm wondering if you are leaving me out in left field, or are you trying to make sense without that given prerequisite?

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I'm not sure I understand your question, if that is a question.

"Money" has a logic to it. It's not immediately useful like food or water or mobile phones. Rather, it's an abstraction of "value" that allows people to engage in complex exchanges of goods without engaging in something as clumsy as multi-party barter.

However, once people accept that money has "value" although it isn't immediately useful, then people can start doing things with "money" besides the exchange of goods: they can save it, lend and borrow it, even print it, and those who save (or print) more of this stuff called "money" can acquire more and more goods than their production justifies, in the case of printing or borrowing can obtain immediate goods in exchange for future (often non-existant) production. Entire cultures are wrapped around "money".

For me, the difference was made clear when I was thinking about "profit" as a form of "savings" ... not an entirely bad concept, not consuming everything you produce. The problem is, there is a difference between unspent money (called "savings") and unconsumed goods (called "surplus"). Surplus.... more water, more wheat, more cotton than you can use today, set aside in consideration of possible lean years tomorrow ... is far more useful than setting aside paper or electronic bits or even gold.

But the physical presence and concept of "money" has decoupled our notion of wealth from the act of production. Like I said, it has its own logic, and it has wrapped THIS society around it.

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If you are claiming that the rate of earning money is not connected to the amount of productivity or work, then are you disregarding the value and judgement of the consumer

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Are you suggesting that no other society has hoarded gold?

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If you are claiming that the rate of earning money is not connected to the amount of productivity or work, then are you disregarding the value and judgement of the consumer, who is the ultimate arbiter of how much products and services are worth, not the producer? The producer merely finds which products or services can be provided to the consumer without going broke, and discards the rest (being non-profitable).

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Woud you be interested in helping with the Nooalf project?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If I had a crap-ton of time, sure.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Youre rite. I gess it duznt hav much to do with relijun, or any opinionz on 'rite to life'. Its just gonad gided misslez doing their thing without thinking about the consequensez.

Most uv the idiots on Springer and the other day time trash TV showz hav kidz. We are about haf way to Idiocracy bekuming reality.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Absolutely.

Hubby has taken to comparing human intelligence to termites. When I see a cluster of skyscrapers, I can't help but agree.

However, the REAL driver of our success is our ability to teach and learn, via complex language. That allows a chain of thought to continue and develop through generations.

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Originally posted by JO753:
No pets allowed = kidz. Interesting theory.

That maternal instinct needz to be satisfied. Makes sens.

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Herez the prof who sez sumthing about riting being the foundaation uv civilization: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~jsearle/

And sumthing he sed about it: http://www.childrenofthecode.org/library/refs/effectwritinglanguage.ht
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Originally posted by JO753:
Without riting, whoever iz in charj now gets to tell everybody wut he wants them to believ. Complex stuff gets oversimplified. Teknolojy can be forgotten.

With riting, it can all potentially be recovered.

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Originally posted by JO753:
No. Never heard uv Atlantis maps az a real thing.

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Flat earth wuz not a global delusion in the dark ajez.

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Atlantis (Ancient Greek: ?t?a?t?? ??s??, "island of Atlas") is the name of a fictional island mentioned within an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, where it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state (see The Republic). In the story, Athens was able to repel the Atlantean attack, unlike any other nation of the (western) known world,[1] supposedly giving testament to the superiority of Plato's concept of a state.[2][3] At the end of the story, Atlantis eventually falls out of favor with the gods and famously submerges into the Atlantic Ocean.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Thats very interesting! Giv us sum links!

If I hav my history reazonably clear, in the middle ajez, the European countriez including England under the influens uv the Catholic Church 'forgot' wut had been common knowlej for thouzandz uv yirz. The ancient Greeks had even determined the diameter uv the Earth with great accuracy. China, and I think the American civilizationz didnt forget.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Teen pregnancy. A mix of possible causes.

Ignorence about sexual activity and contraception and/or lack of access to contraception.

A semse of powerlessness in the world. Reproduction is still free and available to anyone of basic functioning parts. "Look I created a human"

A lack of care about oneself and ones future.

Risk taking and sexual behavioour that is quite normal in adolescents.

A cultural dependance upon welfare.

Sometimes it's just an accident. Not any particular meaning need to be attributed to it.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Thats very interesting!

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Originally posted by JO753:
Thats very interesting! Giv us sum links!

If I hav my history reazonably clear, in the middle ajez, the European countriez including England under the influens uv the Catholic Church 'forgot' wut had been common knowlej for thouzandz uv yirz. The ancient Greeks had even determined the diameter uv the Earth with great accuracy. China, and I think the American civilizationz didnt forget.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
See if you can figure something out. Answer any or all of the following questions.

1. Name the second Ocean discovered/named.

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2. What was the name of the water surrounding the Earth when it was known to be flat?

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3. What is the name of the water which was surrounding Atlantis, according to all maps?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
See if you can figure something out. Answer any or all of the following questions.

1. Name the second Ocean discovered/named.

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Indian Ocean? I dont know. I'v never taken the time to really study history in general.

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You coud spend a yir trying to verify/debunk everything in it. Any golden nuggets uv fact get lost in the noize.

2. Recordz get progressively worse the further back you go. Even real historianz can only get so far back befor they are taking gessez.

3. Cover ups. History iz ritten by the victor, or at least the survivor. {s}Coud there be sumthing that thoze in power at various periodz in history needed to keep hidden?{/s} Why haznt anybody invented the sarcazm text modifier to go along with bold, italic and underline? You may know wut wuz dun about UFOz over the 2nd haf uv the last century. A. Imajin the same fundamental motivationz extended over thouzandz uv yirz. B. Amplify that by the isolated nature uv info prior to printing. C. The sheeple being fooled really were closer to sheep than we are today.

Wun uv the best thingz you can do to keep your brain in order iz to realize that we are very dependent on specialists for our information. Unless you want to dedicate your life to a subject, you will need to trust sumwun who haz. That meanz if you hav a serious interest in knowing 'the truth' you hav to properly vet your expert soursez.

Too many people dont do that. They just believ wut they WANT to believ and lissen to anybody who iz supporting that.

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