A new kind of Ebola? by SIGNYM

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A new kind of Ebola?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 16:42
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Sunday, October 12, 2014 4:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy - without sounding too cold, I think one could tell if it's become more transmissible via the environment by seeing if cleaning staff come down with it - housekeeping and laundry for example.

Also, I remember reading this a long time ago but it's still true - because per-patient reimbursements through medicare and medicaid have been squeezed down to below costs, hospitals have been trying to make up the difference through quickly cycling lower-effort insurance-paid patients. That is a primo consumer group. That's how it ended up that women and newborns were being discharge from hospitals within 6 hours of delivery. But anyway, what was mentioned specifically was that in order to attract that demographic, hospitals were going with homier materials and decor which are far harder to decontaminate.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, October 12, 2014 4:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Magons

As I think about Duncan's death, what it looks like to me is that the reason why he was sent home from the hospital the first time, and the reason why he wasn't given first-line experimental drugs immediately is because - as his family put it - the hospital saw a poor black man without insurance.

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Monday, October 13, 2014 4:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Some stories from health professionals working with Ebola patients in Africa.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/ebola-nurses-describe-lif
e-death-on-frontline-liberia-sierra-leone

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Monday, October 13, 2014 5:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy

I understand Ebola is on your list of things to worry about. My opinion is that you don't have to personally worry - yet.

The first world international experience with Ebola is that health care workers can get it - to date a nurse in Spain and a nurse in the US have gotten it.

Now, Spanish nurses have been protesting about inadequate - facilities? equipment? supplies? It's very unclear. (And let me digress just a little about the inadequacy of commercial news. It's very hard to come by details. It's not that the news services don't have them - they have at least a cursory checklist. But time is money. And they aren't going to spend it. And since the pressure is on to get the bullet points out in within 5 seconds - 10 at most - everyone is shortening up their message to the grossest oversimplifications possible.)

Both nurses were exposed to a patient who died. Dying patients may have exponentially greater infectivity. AFAIK neither nurse used full protective gear.

I definitely don't believe the statement of any politico. Certainly not those of news hacks. And I'm equivocal about the statements of the head of the CDC. After all he owes his job to the president. (from WIKI: the President of the United States appoints the director of the CDC) IMO the CDC head makes statements that may be just as much an extension of presidential policy as they are of scientific knowledge. (Just another comment - the CDC seems to have bet the farm that this Ebola is like past Ebola. It's an axiom that they publicly refuse to digress from even in the slightest.)

But healthcare workers aren't being felled in droves. People who are exposed to a patient early in the course of disease seem fairly safe. SO FAR it doesn't seem like it's deviated significantly from historical Ebola.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:17 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

bump for signy

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Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

So this happened to me today...

I'm at the gym, finishing up a work out, and a guy I suppose I've seen before but am not on even a first name basis, starts out of the clear blue a conversation about Ebola. Says the CDC are a bunch of buffoons, and they're incompetent and or lying to us. He's clearly annoyed at the whole thing.

I have no idea what this guy does for a living. Seems like he's educated, more than most, and prolly in his mid 50's, I'm guessing. I'm not a profiler, by any stretch, but trying to figure out who he was, why this was so important to him, and why in the hell he chose ME to bring up this topic. I tried to do my best Sherlock ... nothing. Oh well.

And he wasn't fanatical or anything. Just brought it up, matter of factly, and showing the standard level of distrust and annoyance that one would expect at a bar during happy hour over a drink or two. Just venting, I suppose.

I don't delve into such matters IRL too often, because I know , as evidence here, just how folks can get, when they're for or against something, passionately. It's like the old saying about what never to discuss at a party, those being politics and religion. Plus, I know I have my own views, and once i start, I tend to over whelm folks and they're sorry they asked. So I generally am low key when it comes to such things.

Most of the time.

But this was so out of place, at a gym and all, I just felt it curious. I think the over saturation by the MSM is starting to grate on some folks.

Ebola Ebola Ebola !!

Grrrr.

( * OH, and BTW - another patient in Dallas has come down w/ the E. Just great )

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Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

The Receptionist at work used the words ebola and zombie apocalypse in the same sentence.

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Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The Receptionist at work used the words ebola and zombie apocalypse in the same sentence.

Most receptionists I've seen are pretty hot. Is she blonde ?

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