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"more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events"

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I can honestly say, no matter what comes down from the grand jury, I won't be rioting or destroying property.

Not my own, not a strangers.


Wish the folks in Ferguson could make the same pledge, and stick to it.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The authorities are preparing for the worst, not those who choose to exercise their rights to protest. Remember that is spelled out in the Constitution, the right to peaceably assemble - there are others besides the 2nd Amendment.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

That's a strong message that the Grand Jury will not be bringing charges against Wilson. This is definitely a test case.

If that's the case, then the citizens of Ferguson were right all along about the DA's lack of conviction toward a fair and impartial pursuit of the truth. I don't want to hear how Brown went for his gun (the Zimmerman defense, a typical excuse to kill with impunity) because 10 separate witnesses testified that he was in the surrender position, and yet Wilson disregarded his plea for life.

May God Bless the town of Ferguson


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Cops have the right to defend themselves. That's why every cop carries a gun. It's for THEIR protection, not yours.

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Ferguson isn't in Texas & there was only 1 gun involved here, the cop's.

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Ferguson isn't in Texas & there was only 1 gun involved here, the cop's.

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A "throwdown" would have made it crystal-clear that the dead man was in the wrong. The cop, in front of the grand jury, points to the throwdown gun or knife and the case is closed. One piece of fake evidence will triumph over any number of eyewitnesses. What worked in Texas can work in Missouri. - http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432475

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
We'll see how the grand jury decides. Tho my opinion is that grand juries aren't juries per se - it SHOULD be left to jury in a court of law to determine guilt or non-guilt.

I think one could justify the initial shot - but not the rest. The officer was in no immediate danger.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

If there's enough evidence to even go to trial, then the grand jury will do the right thing.

Of course, if it's a political witch hunt, like what we saw in Sanford, Florida, then toss reason out the window.

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Ferguson isn't in Texas & there was only 1 gun involved here, the cop's.

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A "throwdown" would have made it crystal-clear that the dead man was in the wrong. The cop, in front of the grand jury, points to the throwdown gun or knife and the case is closed. One piece of fake evidence will triumph over any number of eyewitnesses. What worked in Texas can work in Missouri. - http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432475

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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But there was no throwdown gun, so your point is moot here.

In fact, a throwdown would likely hurt Officer Wilson's case, or at least put in to greater doubt that Brown and Officer Wilson struggled for the cop's gun.

This is just inane, nonsensical poisoning of the well, to stir up animus against cops. One cop, in particular, who may very well be innocent of any wrong doing.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

That's a strong message that the Grand Jury will not be bringing charges against Wilson. This is definitely a test case.

If that's the case, then the citizens of Ferguson were right all along about the DA's lack of conviction toward a fair and impartial pursuit of the truth. I don't want to hear how Brown went for his gun (the Zimmerman defense, a typical excuse to kill with impunity) because 10 separate witnesses testified that he was in the surrender position, and yet Wilson disregarded his plea for life.

May God Bless the town of Ferguson


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If you do not wish to hear how the physical evidence backs the officers statement, and shows many of the so called witnesses statements to be false, and if you whish to show Brown did not go for the officers gun, then explain away how Browns blood shows up on the officer and within the car. Explain away how gun power on Browns hand shows a very close proximity between Browns hand and the gun when fired.

If you believe for one minute that the officer tried to pull Brown, a 6'4" 300 pound man into the police car through the car window placing Brown on top of himself, then you are a very stupid individual. Case closed, once you go for a cops gun while assaulting him as he is sitting in his car, you are under no circumstances allowed to leave the scene. And if you are that big, turn and come back at the officer, boom, your dead.

As far as the Zimmerman case, it has been based upon the fact that white bigots are responsible for him being found innocent. Zimmerman was not white. Let me remind you again, Zimmerman was Hispanic not white, so if the evidence proved him guilty then the same so called white bigots would have convicted him and gotten a two for one deal. To suggest the jury was bigoted, yet let a Hispanic man go free because why, they hate blacks and not Hispanics; is moronic.

Some people here always cry wolf. These people have no credibility. Funny how with them the cop is always guilty and solid evidence when presented goes unheeded. In this case it appears the officers story is closer to the truth than what is clamed by many witnesses. Get over it.

I pointed to the officers innocence when this first happened because of the claim that the officer pulled Brown into the car the way he did; no way. I tried to suggest there are problems that needed addressing(such as why this keeps happening and what can be done to change things) and to focusing on that, to no avail. All you want to do is the white black hate thing. You will be having the same discussion to this type of incident whenever it occurs. Have at it, but remember, you and the way you chose to see things are part of the problem.

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If there's enough evidence to even go to trial, then the grand jury will do the right thing.

Of course, if it's a political witch hunt, like what we saw in Sanford, Florida, then toss reason out the window.

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The authorities are preparing for the worst, not those who choose to exercise their rights to protest. Remember that is spelled out in the Constitution, the right to peaceably assemble - there are others besides the 2nd Amendment.

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I doubt any there even know the constitution, or want to know. And PEACEABLY assemble ? That's funny. If they followed Rev MLK Jr's lead, many more may at least listen. But there isn't one like that anywhere in that crowd to be found.

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I won't be rioting or destroying anyone's property either.

But I'm trying hard to understand what that has to do with Ferguson, the DA, injustice and the people's rights. You, of all people, should be first in line to defend the right to assemble ...........

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They've proven they can't merely ' assemble' with out property being destroyed, shots being fired, and threaten to do much worse.

Sadly, most of that vitriol comes from OUTSIDE Ferguson, so it's not really " the people " of that community.

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Let me see if I could make this clear - regardless if Brown was 7 feet tall and weighed 500 lbs., to gun down an unarmed man is the cruelest of all sins. Besides, everyone in Ferguson is entering into this with an agenda. Trouble is all this is being exploited by the authorities in Ferguson, just to divert attention away from the ugly truth.


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Cops have the right to defend themselves. That's why every cop carries a gun. It's for THEIR protection, not yours. Cruelest of sins ? Hardly. The ugliest of truths may be the one you just simply don't want to accept...

The officer rightfully defended himself from an attacking thug, under the influence, who was trying to take his gun. It may very well just be that, a tragic result ( I won't call it an accident ) of some really stupid choices made.

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Yes, because an armed white guy who stalks a unarmed black guy deserves to be able to shoot him too.

And let me point out - I see all the racists have come out to howl.

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Do you KNOW what was in the mind of the officer before he was attacked ? While he was attacked ?

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Well, let's see how your logic stands up, THUGR. There was NEVER a time when the officer was NOT in danger. How about a block away? 100 feet away? 50 feet away? Do you agree that some distance would put him out of danger?

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Do you KNOW what was in the mind of the officer before he was attacked ? While he was attacked ?

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“In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’ ” said Dr. Baden, who retired from the state police in 2011.

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Yes, because an armed white guy who stalks a unarmed black guy deserves to be able to shoot him too.

And let me point out - I see all the racists have come out to howl.

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Proof that anyone was 'stalking' ? Cites ?

And how does racism come into the equation here ? Do you KNOW what was in the mind of the officer before he was attacked ? While he was attacked ?

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Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

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Cites for any of this yadda yadda yadda ... I won't bother waiting. I know you don't have them.

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But it is very disturbing that it's taking so long for them to decide. It's not their job to actually try the case, just to determine if there's enough evidence to indict. Even with minimum evidence, which surely exists, they have to indict. This is some weird shit. Nazi war criminal were indicted in Nuremberg in less time.

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Dr. Michael Baden, the family's gun-for-hire M.E. has since retracted and altered many of his initial statements he made to the press, so who knows what he actually said to the Grand Jury.

But it is very disturbing that it's taking so long for them to decide. It's not their job to actually try the case, just to determine if there's enough evidence to indict. Even with minimum evidence, which surely exists, they have to indict. This is some weird shit. Nazi war criminal were indicted in Nuremberg in less time.

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I don't know for a fact that the gun was discharged a total of 10 times. But you seem to know, and have determined , that 10 shots is too many, no matter what, and for that reason alone, charges should be filed. Who knows, maybe they will. Or maybe it was only 6, and no charges will be filed.

Point is, if there was a struggle for the cop's gun, the cop damn near has an obligation to put the suspect down. If a violent suspect gets control of that gun, the cop's life is now at risk, and possibly any other the suspect decides to shoot. The cop MUST take out the threat and put the suspect down. Doesn't matter if the suspect is only 18 years old and unarmed. He can still is a threat until subdued.

SGG - claim to be a guru all you want on this matter, but when you toss out " irrefutable " as your superlative on the autopsy report, when that report was retracted by the man who gave it, I'm sorry, shine is off the apple. Just slow your roll on claiming you're the word on what has or will go on w/ this case. I don't think anyone knows.

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National Guard have been activated in Ferguson.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-18/new-documentmissouri-governor-de
clares-state-of-emergency-ahead/5900164

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I don't know for a fact that the gun was discharged a total of 10 times. But you seem to know, and have determined , that 10 shots is too many, no matter what, and for that reason alone, charges should be filed. Who knows, maybe they will. Or maybe it was only 6, and no charges will be filed.

Point is, if there was a struggle for the cop's gun, the cop damn near has an obligation to put the suspect down. If a violent suspect gets control of that gun, the cop's life is now at risk, and possibly any other the suspect decides to shoot. The cop MUST take out the threat and put the suspect down. Doesn't matter if the suspect is only 18 years old and unarmed. He can still is a threat until subdued.

SGG - claim to be a guru all you want on this matter, but when you toss out " irrefutable " as your superlative on the autopsy report, when that report was retracted by the man who gave it, I'm sorry, shine is off the apple. Just slow your roll on claiming you're the word on what has or will go on w/ this case. I don't think anyone knows.

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Saw a video of Wilson, 2 hours after the shooting, and it didn't look like to me that he had any injuries on his face at all. So what was this all about him having his eye socket busted?

His face looked normal, no swelling at all.


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Saw a video of Wilson, 2 hours after the shooting, and it didn't look like to me that he had any injuries on his face at all. So what was this all about him having his eye socket busted?

His face looked normal, no swelling at all.


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That is something I suspect the GJ will discuss, as well as a whole lot more.

I too saw a grainy security cam video of officer Wilson, shortly after the shooting. May have been the same clip, IDK. He seemed to be unmarked and unaffected from any injuries.

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Saw a video of Wilson, 2 hours after the shooting, and it didn't look like to me that he had any injuries on his face at all. So what was this all about him having his eye socket busted?

His face looked normal, no swelling at all.


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That is something I suspect the GJ will discuss, as well as a whole lot more.

I too saw a grainy security cam video of officer Wilson, shortly after the shooting. May have been the same clip, IDK. He seemed to be unmarked and unaffected from any injuries.

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Facial swelling and bruises can take anywhere from 5 minutes to several hours to appear, so the video of Wilson shortly after the incident is meaningless.

What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?

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Anonymous Is Going To War With The KKK Over Ferguson Protests

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/anonymous-kkk_n_6173332.html

Who's race-baiting who?

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What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?

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What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?

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What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?

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" unprecedented " ? Really ? In what sense? Got any cites or reference ?

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