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Two-year-old accidentally shoots and kills woman in Wal-mart

Hayden, Idaho: A two-year-old child has accidentally shot and killed a 29-year-old woman in a US store after he reached into her bag accidentally firing her gun, authorities said.

The woman was shopping with a number of children and it is unclear how they are related, Kootenai County sheriff's spokesman Stu Miller said. Authorities originally said the boy was the woman's son.

The woman, whose identity was not released, had a concealed weapons permit.

Mr Miller said the shooting was accidental and occurred in a Wal-Mart in Hayden, Idaho, a town about 65 kilometres north-east of Spokane, Washington. Employees evacuated the store after the shooting.

The woman and the children were at the back of the store when the shooting occurred, authorities said.

KREM-TV reported that witnesses and video surveillance from the store helped deputies determine the shooting was accidental.

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A Brady Centre report published last month, called the Truth About Kids and Guns, showed that guns are the second-leading cause of death and injury to American children after car accidents. Gross said while the auto industry and government did all they could to reduce the incidence and impact of such accidents, the gun industry and NRA did all it could to prevent any action to reduce the impact of gun deaths. The report showed that in 2011, 19,403 children and teens were shot and 2703 were killed.

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Mass Shootings More Lethal Than Homegrown Islamist Terrorism

—By Adam Serwer


The Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security released a study Friday (first reported on by Spencer Ackerman of Wired) that showed that terrorism perpetrated by Muslim Americans, already a very rare occurrence, declined for the third year in a row. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill professor Charles Kurzman, who authored the study, noted that mass shootings by non-Muslims in 2012 were considerably more lethal than homegrown terror attacks by Muslims. There were nine such terror plots last year, five of which involved confidential informants, compared to seven mass shootings.

For example, in 2012, the number of deaths resulting from acts of terror perpetrated by Muslim American suspects was zero. By comparison, there were 66 deaths from mass shootings in the United States in 2012.

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A study published this week in the Annual Review of Public Health summarizes some basic, sobering stats about about gun violence in America. The author, University of California-Davis doctor and researcher Garen Wintemute, used statistics from the Centers for Disease Control to track mortality rates from firearm suicides and homicides in the United States over more than fifty years.

Here are some of the findings from Wintemute's study, in a handy—if grisly—Q&A format:

Which kills more Americans, guns or cars?

Answer: Car accidents, but firearms deaths are catching up. In some states, guns do kill more people than cars—check out this map.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/gun-violence-car-deaths-ch
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Tragic accident, but that's all it was. More folks die of misusing their cars than their guns.

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Accident? More like gross negligence or depraved indifference or reckless disregard by the owner. Any of those would be an appropriate charge.

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A two-year-old Florida boy died on Wednesday after accidentally shooting himself with his father’s .380 caliber handgun that he found in the family car.

The toddler, Kaleb Ahles, climbed into the front seat of the family’s vehicle while his parents carried boxes to move out of their home in Tarpon Springs, located about 30 miles north-west of Tampa.

Kaleb, alone in the car, crawled across the seat and found the gun that was stored in the glove compartment, sheriff Bob Gualtieri of the Pinellas County sheriff’s office said during a Wednesday evening press conference.

Kaleb then grabbed the gun, turned the barrel toward his chest, and squeezed the trigger, Gualtieri said.

His parents heard a loud “pop” and ran toward the car, deputies said. His mother, Christina Nigro, immediately began CPR while another family member who was there to help with the move called 911.

“It’s just one of those things that happens where everything lined up the wrong way, where we had a two-and-a-half year old that was able to take a gun, pick it up turn it around and he shot himself dead center in the middle of the chest,” Gualtieri said.

Deputies arrived at the home just before 5pm on Wednesday, and an ambulance rushed Kaleb to a nearby hospital,

At a press conference held in the family’s neighborhood, Gualtieri confirmed that the toddler had shot himself, and was not shot by someone else, the Miami Herald reported.

“He probably barely got the trigger pulled,” Gualtieri said.

The sheriff said it appears there was no wrongdoing, and the parents are not facing charges, saying that the parents have been punished enough by the loss of their son.
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“It appears to be another tragic situation,” Gualtieri said. “It’s just one of those things that happens where everything happens the wrong way.”

Florida law requires gun owners to secure their loaded firearm in the presence of children younger than 16 years old. However, a person can only be held criminally liable if the minor accesses a gun and exhibits it in a public place, or brandishes it in a threatening or angry manner.

Detectives said the gun was secured in the glove department of the car.

Cecilia Barreda, a spokeswoman with the Pinellas County sheriff’s office, confirmed on Thursday that detectives were still investigating the incident, and the parents are, as of now, not facing charges.

The detectives “do believe the gun was stored properly,” Barreda said. She said additional details about the incident could not be provided at this time.

The child’s grandfather, a retired Tampa police detective also named Kevin Ahles, apparently drove to the scene immediately after learning of his grandson’s death.

“A great little kid was killed today,” he told the Miami Herald. “That’s all there is to say.”

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Tragic accident, but that's all it was. More folks die of misusing their cars than their guns.

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The sheriff said it appears there was no wrongdoing,

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and the parents are not facing charges, saying that the parents have been punished enough by the loss of their son.

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“It appears to be another tragic situation,” Gualtieri said.

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“It’s just one of those things that happens where everything happens the wrong way.”

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Florida law requires gun owners to secure their loaded firearm in the presence of children younger than 16 years old.

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However, a person can only be held criminally liable if the minor accesses a gun and exhibits it in a public place, or brandishes it in a threatening or angry manner.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.

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As I said, there are more accidents on the roads which result in death than there are w/ guns. Far more.

Save for a reminder to be more careful, this is a pointless thread.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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You don't think gun violence is an issue that needs addressing?

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Let's say that your ludicrous false quivelancy argument is worth debating for a few moments, and as if this hasn;t been said to nuffs like yourself a MILLION times

1. The purpose of guns is to maim or injury, or to threaten to maim or injure
2. The purpose of cars is to get from A to B.
3. You need a licence to drive a car and you need to register your car
4. In my state, you have to be over 18 to drive a car
5. There are restrictions on where you can drive, who can drive, and how you can drive.

So what you have is a system of transport which is highly regulated to prevent further death or injury - and nobody is screaming about violation of rights - alongside a system of gun ownership which resists the slightest change to regulation to prevent further death or injury.

As I said, Second Amendment madness. The system is broke, but people such as Rappy seem too caught up in ideology to look for solutions

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.

A guns, as River puts it, is just an object. It doesn't mean what you think. The 2nd Amendment wasn't madness upon conception, it's the country which has gone mad.

Which means we need the 2nd Amendment now, more than ever.

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Accident? More like gross negligence or depraved indifference or reckless disregard by the owner. Any of those would be an appropriate charge.

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When it comes to gun violence, the United States stands out.

President Obama’s nominee for surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, a renowned Boston-based physician, has advocated for stricter gun-control laws and referred to the U.S. rates of gun violence as a public health threat. Murthy’s views have ignited opposition from the gun lobby and politicians on both sides of the aisle, virtually assuring an end to his bid to become the U.S.’s top public health official.

In any debate about gun control and violence prevention, it is useful to examine data on gun deaths.

How does the US stack up against other countries when it comes to homicides involving guns? The screen grab below, which uses findings from the Global Burden of Disease Study 2010, illustrates the difference in firearm homicide rates between the US and other high-income countries. Adjusting for differences in population size, rates of homicides from guns were 6.6 times larger in the US than in Portugal, the country with one of the highest rates in Western Europe.

Firearm homicide rates in selected high-income countries, 2010

Gun Violence

In a 2013 article for The Atlantic online that compared gun homicides in US cities to some of the deadliest places in the world, the authors created a map, below, that shows Atlanta has the same gun murder rate as South Africa, Detroit as El Salvador, Phoenix equal to Mexico’s gun homicide rate:
Atlantic Gun Violence

The Atlantic

Another screen grab, below, compares gun homicide rates in the US with countries that frequently make headlines for conflict-related violence (Afghanistan, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Pakistan).

The US has higher rates of homicides from guns than Pakistan. At 4.5 deaths per 100,000 people, the US rates aren’t much lower than gun homicide rates in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (5.2 deaths per 100,000 people). Annually, the US has about two fewer gun homicide deaths per 100,000 people than Iraq, which has 6.5 deaths per 100,000.

Firearm homicide rates in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the United States, and Pakistan, 2010

Gun Violence 2Compared to certain countries known for their high crime rates, such as Jamaica, Russia, South Africa, and Kenya, the US had the second-highest rate of gun homicide deaths after Jamaica (view data online).

Although the US stands out for its high rates of homicide firearm deaths, its rates look small compared to certain Latin American countries. The following screen grab indicates that El Salvador, Colombia, and Honduras had the highest rates of firearm homicides in the world in 2010.

Firearm homicide rates in Latin America and the United States, 2010

Gun Violence 3

What can the US learn from strategies these countries are taking to address gun violence?

One inspiring example comes from Cali, Colombia, and highlights the value of using data to identify risk factors for homicide. In the early 1990s, the mayor of Cali decided to use data to improve health outcomes in his city. A physician and epidemiologist by training, Dr. Rodrigo Guerrero Velasco set up a firearm death tracking system to identify different risk factors driving these trends. Guerrero Velasco and his colleagues found that more than half of Cali’s homicide victims were intoxicated. Also, analysis of the data revealed that homicides were more likely to involve young people and occur on holiday weekends, weekends following paydays, and election days.

Based on these findings, Guerrero Velasco implemented several interventions to address these risk factors, such as limiting the hours alcohol could be sold, imposing curfews for individuals under 18 on the weekends, and imposing short-term gun bans on select weekends and election days when homicides were most likely to occur. According to an academic study based on an analysis of the city’s gun death database, homicides declined from a high of 124 per 100,000 in 1994 to 86 per 100,000 in 1997. Another study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association and co-authored by University of Washington epidemiologists found that homicide death rates were 14% lower than expected during periods when gun bans were imposed in Cali.

Homicide rates in Cali, Colombia, 1983-1998

HomicidesCaliNote: Figure taken from paper entitled “La epidemiología de los homicidios en Cali, 1993-1998: seis años de un modelo poblacional” published in the Pan American Journal of Public Health

In 2011, Guerrero Velasco was re-elected to a second term as mayor of Cali. It will be enlightening to see what additional steps he takes to curb the city’s gun violence.

Instead of using local data to identify local solutions, the US may largely have to rely on studies done in other countries to gain insight into ways to curb gun violence. Even though Obama lifted a 17-year-old ban on US federal funding for gun violence research in 2013, a congressional ban on funding for this research remains in place.

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But our analysis of publicly reported gun deaths
in the twelve months after the mass shooting in
Newtown, Connecticut, shows that the federal
data substantially undercount these deaths:
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST
100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL
SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61 PERCENT
HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT.
And even
this larger number reflects just a fraction
of the total number of children injured
or killed with guns in the U.S. each year,
regardless of the intent.
ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THESE UNINTENDED DEATHS
— 65 PERCENT — TOOK PLACE IN A HOME OR VEHICLE
THAT BELONGED TO THE VICTIM’S FAMILY, MOST
OFTEN WITH GUNS THAT WERE LEGALLY OWNED BUT
NOT SECURED.
Another 19 percent took place in
the home of a relative or friend of the victim.
MORE THAN TWO-THIRDS OF THESE TRAGEDIES COULD
BE AVOIDED IF GUN OWNERS STORED THEIR GUNS
RESPONSIBLY AND PREVENTED CHILDREN FROM
ACCESSING THEM.
Of the child shooting deaths
in which there was sufficient information
available to make the determination,
70 percent (62 of 89 cases) could have been
prevented if the firearm had been stored
locked and unloaded. By contrast, incidents
in which an authorized user mishandled
a gun — such as target practice or hunting
accidents — constituted less than thirty
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But our analysis of publicly reported gun deaths
in the twelve months after the mass shooting in
Newtown, Connecticut, shows that the federal
data substantially undercount these deaths:
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST
100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL
SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61 PERCENT
HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT.
And even
this larger number reflects just a fraction
of the total number of children injured
or killed with guns in the U.S. each year,
regardless of the intent.
ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THESE UNINTENDED DEATHS
— 65 PERCENT — TOOK PLACE IN A HOME OR VEHICLE
THAT BELONGED TO THE VICTIM’S FAMILY, MOST
OFTEN WITH GUNS THAT WERE LEGALLY OWNED BUT
NOT SECURED.
Another 19 percent took place in
the home of a relative or friend of the victim.
MORE THAN TWO-THIRDS OF THESE TRAGEDIES COULD
BE AVOIDED IF GUN OWNERS STORED THEIR GUNS
RESPONSIBLY AND PREVENTED CHILDREN FROM
ACCESSING THEM.
Of the child shooting deaths
in which there was sufficient information
available to make the determination,
70 percent (62 of 89 cases) could have been
prevented if the firearm had been stored
locked and unloaded. By contrast, incidents
in which an authorized user mishandled
a gun — such as target practice or hunting
accidents — constituted less than thirty
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http://everytown.org/documents/2014/10/innocents-lost.pdf

But you know, why would anyone regulate objects designed to maim or kill? Anyone? Anyone?

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The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.

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1. The purpose of guns is to maim or injury, or to threaten to maim or injure

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The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.

A guns, as River puts it, is just an object. It doesn't mean what you think. The 2nd Amendment wasn't madness upon conception, it's the country which has gone mad.

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So purpose doesn't matter? Would you describe a dirty bomb in someone's garage as just an object? If I had a rocket launcher, do you think the that would be considered 'just an object'?

The evidence seems to squarely rest with more guns in circulation, more deaths, and certainly more unregulated guns = more deaths. But again, it's clear that 'truthiness' is more important to you than evidence, so it's pointless having this conversation, or any conversation with you.

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Well if you're not a gun wielding maniac, you're just UN American, it would seem.

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Hmm.

The purpose of the guns I own is generally to make holes close together in a piece of paper from far away. Occasionally it's to harvest wild game for my freezer. Sometimes certain of them are used to pulverize clay disks thrown onto the air. I have on occasion maimed tin cans and bowling pins. The people I know who own guns use them for pretty much the same things.

If the folks you know who own guns only use them to maim or injure actual people, perhaps you should associate with different folks.

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Hmm.

The purpose of the guns I own is generally to make holes close together in a piece of paper from far away. Occasionally it's to harvest wild game for my freezer. Sometimes certain of them are used to pulverize clay disks thrown onto the air. I have on occasion maimed tin cans and bowling pins. The people I know who own guns use them for pretty much the same things.

If the folks you know who own guns only use them to maim or injure actual people, perhaps you should associate with different folks.

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deflection and incredible self absorbtion or as one would say here 'I'm okay Jack'

My own personal rocket launcher is used for hanging washing on. How dare you suggest that it's purpose is anything other than a clothes line. Get it?

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A three-year-old US boy shot and wounded his father and pregnant mother with a 9mm handgun that he pulled out of the woman's purse while searching for an iPad, police in New Mexico said on Sunday.

Both parents needed hospital treatment for non-life threatening injuries after the bullet went through his father's buttocks and into his mother's shoulder, Albuquerque Police Department Officer Simon Drobik said.

The woman, who is eight months pregnant, was being kept at the hospital for observation.

The father has been released, said Mr Drobik, who was the first to arrive at the scene of the incident at an Albuquerque motel on Saturday afternoon.

"On the kid's side, it's a horrible accident that happened, but the parents are still culpable," he said. "They should have secured the gun."

The couple could face felony negligence charges, he added.

The woman told police she bought the gun the day before the incident, Mr Drobik said. The man is not legally allowed to have a firearm because he has previously been convicted of a felony crime.

The family, including a two-year-old girl and the children's grandmother, had been living in an America's Best Value Inn for about a week with their two pit bulls when the incident occurred.

Following the shooting, the children were placed with child protective services. The dogs were taken by animal control staff.

The incident in New Mexico on the weekend follows the December shooting of a woman by her two-year-old son in an Idaho Walmart.

In August last year, a nine-year-old girl accidentally shot an instructor dead with a machine-gun at a shooting range near Las Vegas as her parents stood by filming the incident.

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Don't believe rocket launhcers are permissible for home defense, dearie

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