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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:35 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Shopping with a loaded pistol in yer purse. Another great idea.

Quote:

Two-year-old accidentally shoots and kills woman in Wal-mart

Hayden, Idaho: A two-year-old child has accidentally shot and killed a 29-year-old woman in a US store after he reached into her bag accidentally firing her gun, authorities said.

The woman was shopping with a number of children and it is unclear how they are related, Kootenai County sheriff's spokesman Stu Miller said. Authorities originally said the boy was the woman's son.

The woman, whose identity was not released, had a concealed weapons permit.

Mr Miller said the shooting was accidental and occurred in a Wal-Mart in Hayden, Idaho, a town about 65 kilometres north-east of Spokane, Washington. Employees evacuated the store after the shooting.

The woman and the children were at the back of the store when the shooting occurred, authorities said.

KREM-TV reported that witnesses and video surveillance from the store helped deputies determine the shooting was accidental.

AP, DPA



http://www.theage.com.au/world/twoyearold-accidentally-shoots-and-kill
s-woman-in-walmart-20141230-12fu2z.html

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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:02 PM

THGRRI


As of 2007 about 5.2% of Australian adults (765,000 people) own and use firearms for purposes such as hunting, controlling feral animals, collecting, security work, and target shooting.

37%, more than a third of Americans say they or someone in their household owns a gun.

Apparently this women had one in the chamber and the safety off. Not smart...


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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:29 PM

WHOZIT


I think most women who go into Wal-Mart have guns in their handbags...and tampons.

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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Tragic accident, but that's all it was. More folks die of misusing their cars than their guns.

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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:38 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Accident? More like gross negligence or depraved indifference or reckless disregard by the owner. Any of those would be an appropriate charge.

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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:13 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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A Brady Centre report published last month, called the Truth About Kids and Guns, showed that guns are the second-leading cause of death and injury to American children after car accidents. Gross said while the auto industry and government did all they could to reduce the incidence and impact of such accidents, the gun industry and NRA did all it could to prevent any action to reduce the impact of gun deaths. The report showed that in 2011, 19,403 children and teens were shot and 2703 were killed.


http://www.theage.com.au/world/the-uss-gun-laws-are-failing-its-childr
en-20141122-11r29n.html


Here is the report

http://www.bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-kids-guns

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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:10 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Mass Shootings More Lethal Than Homegrown Islamist Terrorism

—By Adam Serwer


The Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security released a study Friday (first reported on by Spencer Ackerman of Wired) that showed that terrorism perpetrated by Muslim Americans, already a very rare occurrence, declined for the third year in a row. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill professor Charles Kurzman, who authored the study, noted that mass shootings by non-Muslims in 2012 were considerably more lethal than homegrown terror attacks by Muslims. There were nine such terror plots last year, five of which involved confidential informants, compared to seven mass shootings.

For example, in 2012, the number of deaths resulting from acts of terror perpetrated by Muslim American suspects was zero. By comparison, there were 66 deaths from mass shootings in the United States in 2012.



http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/02/mass-shootings-terrorism-casua
lties-comparison-report

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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:12 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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A study published this week in the Annual Review of Public Health summarizes some basic, sobering stats about about gun violence in America. The author, University of California-Davis doctor and researcher Garen Wintemute, used statistics from the Centers for Disease Control to track mortality rates from firearm suicides and homicides in the United States over more than fifty years.

Here are some of the findings from Wintemute's study, in a handy—if grisly—Q&A format:

Which kills more Americans, guns or cars?

Answer: Car accidents, but firearms deaths are catching up. In some states, guns do kill more people than cars—check out this map.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/gun-violence-car-deaths-ch
arts




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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yeah... safety off? Round chambered? REALLY???

Wow, I feel so sorry for the kid (the mom is beyond all that). Fortunately, he's small enough to not remember what happened very clearly. Unfortunately, he'll be without a mom for the rest of his life. What a pointless tragedy.

"Gun rights" advocates like to point to Germany as an example of a nation with high gun ownership and low gun death rates, but the reality is that their gun ownership laws are very restrictive. For example, in order to own a gun, you must take a course and pass a practical exam. Furthermore, it's impossible to get a concealed carry permit unless you have a job in security in some form. And finally, you have to keep your gun and ammo in separate locked safes at home. It's just common sense to require these things, but our gun lobby seems to be beyond common sense.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:51 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Tragic accident, but that's all it was. More folks die of misusing their cars than their guns.




Still no cites, huh?

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Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:51 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Accident? More like gross negligence or depraved indifference or reckless disregard by the owner. Any of those would be an appropriate charge.




Worthy of the death penalty, apparently.

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Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:25 AM

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Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:09 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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A two-year-old Florida boy died on Wednesday after accidentally shooting himself with his father’s .380 caliber handgun that he found in the family car.

The toddler, Kaleb Ahles, climbed into the front seat of the family’s vehicle while his parents carried boxes to move out of their home in Tarpon Springs, located about 30 miles north-west of Tampa.

Kaleb, alone in the car, crawled across the seat and found the gun that was stored in the glove compartment, sheriff Bob Gualtieri of the Pinellas County sheriff’s office said during a Wednesday evening press conference.

Kaleb then grabbed the gun, turned the barrel toward his chest, and squeezed the trigger, Gualtieri said.

His parents heard a loud “pop” and ran toward the car, deputies said. His mother, Christina Nigro, immediately began CPR while another family member who was there to help with the move called 911.

“It’s just one of those things that happens where everything lined up the wrong way, where we had a two-and-a-half year old that was able to take a gun, pick it up turn it around and he shot himself dead center in the middle of the chest,” Gualtieri said.

Deputies arrived at the home just before 5pm on Wednesday, and an ambulance rushed Kaleb to a nearby hospital,

At a press conference held in the family’s neighborhood, Gualtieri confirmed that the toddler had shot himself, and was not shot by someone else, the Miami Herald reported.

“He probably barely got the trigger pulled,” Gualtieri said.

The sheriff said it appears there was no wrongdoing, and the parents are not facing charges, saying that the parents have been punished enough by the loss of their son.
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“It appears to be another tragic situation,” Gualtieri said. “It’s just one of those things that happens where everything happens the wrong way.”

Florida law requires gun owners to secure their loaded firearm in the presence of children younger than 16 years old. However, a person can only be held criminally liable if the minor accesses a gun and exhibits it in a public place, or brandishes it in a threatening or angry manner.

Detectives said the gun was secured in the glove department of the car.

Cecilia Barreda, a spokeswoman with the Pinellas County sheriff’s office, confirmed on Thursday that detectives were still investigating the incident, and the parents are, as of now, not facing charges.

The detectives “do believe the gun was stored properly,” Barreda said. She said additional details about the incident could not be provided at this time.

The child’s grandfather, a retired Tampa police detective also named Kevin Ahles, apparently drove to the scene immediately after learning of his grandson’s death.

“A great little kid was killed today,” he told the Miami Herald. “That’s all there is to say.”



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/22/florida-toddler-fatally
-shoots-himself-father-gun


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Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Tragic accident, but that's all it was. More folks die of misusing their cars than their guns.




Still no cites, huh?



In the United States in 2010, the rate of firearm deaths was 10 people per 100,000, while for traffic accidents it was 12 per 100,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_y
ear


Firearm deaths , by year. ( I'm guessing these #'s are per 100,000, INCLUDING suicides )

2007
10,129

2008
9,528

2009
9,199

2010
8,874

2011
8,583

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-th
e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8



Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 19,990
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.4


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm



United States 10.1 ( per 100,000 )

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/


Further, I've not found deaths by firearms done in self defense. Subtract those from the total, and the number of illegal, unjustified or accidental deaths is even far less.

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Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:49 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.

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Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:05 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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The sheriff said it appears there was no wrongdoing,

Wrongdoing? Of course not. Nothing went wrong.


Quote:

and the parents are not facing charges, saying that the parents have been punished enough by the loss of their son.

Not facing charges? Of course not. Wouldn't want to set any kind of example to all the other irresponsible and negligent parents with guns out there.


Quote:

“It appears to be another tragic situation,” Gualtieri said.

And who ever said Fla. sheriffs weren't well-trained and quick on their feet?


Quote:

“It’s just one of those things that happens where everything happens the wrong way.”

Yep, just one of those things ... like when the cable goes out.


Quote:

Florida law requires gun owners to secure their loaded firearm in the presence of children younger than 16 years old.

Whoa, good law!


Quote:

However, a person can only be held criminally liable if the minor accesses a gun and exhibits it in a public place, or brandishes it in a threatening or angry manner.

Riiiiight, because what happens at home is nobody else's business, no matter what horror is going on.

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Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.



As I said, there are more accidents on the roads which result in death than there are w/ guns. Far more.

Save for a reminder to be more careful, this is a pointless thread.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:33 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yes, I suppose the toddler's death was just self defense.



As I said, there are more accidents on the roads which result in death than there are w/ guns. Far more.

Save for a reminder to be more careful, this is a pointless thread.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



You don't think gun violence is an issue that needs addressing?


Let's say that your ludicrous false quivelancy argument is worth debating for a few moments, and as if this hasn;t been said to nuffs like yourself a MILLION times

1. The purpose of guns is to maim or injury, or to threaten to maim or injure
2. The purpose of cars is to get from A to B.
3. You need a licence to drive a car and you need to register your car
4. In my state, you have to be over 18 to drive a car
5. There are restrictions on where you can drive, who can drive, and how you can drive.

So what you have is a system of transport which is highly regulated to prevent further death or injury - and nobody is screaming about violation of rights - alongside a system of gun ownership which resists the slightest change to regulation to prevent further death or injury.

As I said, Second Amendment madness. The system is broke, but people such as Rappy seem too caught up in ideology to look for solutions


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Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:55 PM

JO753

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Friday, January 23, 2015 8:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

You don't think gun violence is an issue that needs addressing?




Violence is, yes. By any means.

Quote:




Let's say that your ludicrous false quivelancy argument is worth debating for a few moments, and as if this hasn;t been said to nuffs like yourself a MILLION times

1. The purpose of guns is to maim or injury, or to threaten to maim or injure
2. The purpose of cars is to get from A to B.
3. You need a licence to drive a car and you need to register your car
4. In my state, you have to be over 18 to drive a car
5. There are restrictions on where you can drive, who can drive, and how you can drive.

So what you have is a system of transport which is highly regulated to prevent further death or injury - and nobody is screaming about violation of rights - alongside a system of gun ownership which resists the slightest change to regulation to prevent further death or injury.

As I said, Second Amendment madness. The system is broke, but people such as Rappy seem too caught up in ideology to look for solutions




The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.

A guns, as River puts it, is just an object. It doesn't mean what you think. The 2nd Amendment wasn't madness upon conception, it's the country which has gone mad.

Which means we need the 2nd Amendment now, more than ever.

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Friday, January 23, 2015 7:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.

A guns, as River puts it, is just an object. It doesn't mean what you think. The 2nd Amendment wasn't madness upon conception, it's the country which has gone mad.

Which means we need the 2nd Amendment now, more than ever.



So purpose doesn't matter? Would you describe a dirty bomb in someone's garage as just an object? If I had a rocket launcher, do you think the that would be considered 'just an object'?

The evidence seems to squarely rest with more guns in circulation, more deaths, and certainly more unregulated guns = more deaths. But again, it's clear that 'truthiness' is more important to you than evidence, so it's pointless having this conversation, or any conversation with you.


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Friday, January 23, 2015 7:33 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Damn, Jongs............right on point!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Accident? More like gross negligence or depraved indifference or reckless disregard by the owner. Any of those would be an appropriate charge.


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Friday, January 23, 2015 7:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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When it comes to gun violence, the United States stands out.

President Obama’s nominee for surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, a renowned Boston-based physician, has advocated for stricter gun-control laws and referred to the U.S. rates of gun violence as a public health threat. Murthy’s views have ignited opposition from the gun lobby and politicians on both sides of the aisle, virtually assuring an end to his bid to become the U.S.’s top public health official.

In any debate about gun control and violence prevention, it is useful to examine data on gun deaths.

How does the US stack up against other countries when it comes to homicides involving guns? The screen grab below, which uses findings from the Global Burden of Disease Study 2010, illustrates the difference in firearm homicide rates between the US and other high-income countries. Adjusting for differences in population size, rates of homicides from guns were 6.6 times larger in the US than in Portugal, the country with one of the highest rates in Western Europe.

Firearm homicide rates in selected high-income countries, 2010

Gun Violence

In a 2013 article for The Atlantic online that compared gun homicides in US cities to some of the deadliest places in the world, the authors created a map, below, that shows Atlanta has the same gun murder rate as South Africa, Detroit as El Salvador, Phoenix equal to Mexico’s gun homicide rate:
Atlantic Gun Violence

The Atlantic

Another screen grab, below, compares gun homicide rates in the US with countries that frequently make headlines for conflict-related violence (Afghanistan, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Pakistan).

The US has higher rates of homicides from guns than Pakistan. At 4.5 deaths per 100,000 people, the US rates aren’t much lower than gun homicide rates in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (5.2 deaths per 100,000 people). Annually, the US has about two fewer gun homicide deaths per 100,000 people than Iraq, which has 6.5 deaths per 100,000.

Firearm homicide rates in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the United States, and Pakistan, 2010

Gun Violence 2Compared to certain countries known for their high crime rates, such as Jamaica, Russia, South Africa, and Kenya, the US had the second-highest rate of gun homicide deaths after Jamaica (view data online).

Although the US stands out for its high rates of homicide firearm deaths, its rates look small compared to certain Latin American countries. The following screen grab indicates that El Salvador, Colombia, and Honduras had the highest rates of firearm homicides in the world in 2010.

Firearm homicide rates in Latin America and the United States, 2010

Gun Violence 3

What can the US learn from strategies these countries are taking to address gun violence?

One inspiring example comes from Cali, Colombia, and highlights the value of using data to identify risk factors for homicide. In the early 1990s, the mayor of Cali decided to use data to improve health outcomes in his city. A physician and epidemiologist by training, Dr. Rodrigo Guerrero Velasco set up a firearm death tracking system to identify different risk factors driving these trends. Guerrero Velasco and his colleagues found that more than half of Cali’s homicide victims were intoxicated. Also, analysis of the data revealed that homicides were more likely to involve young people and occur on holiday weekends, weekends following paydays, and election days.

Based on these findings, Guerrero Velasco implemented several interventions to address these risk factors, such as limiting the hours alcohol could be sold, imposing curfews for individuals under 18 on the weekends, and imposing short-term gun bans on select weekends and election days when homicides were most likely to occur. According to an academic study based on an analysis of the city’s gun death database, homicides declined from a high of 124 per 100,000 in 1994 to 86 per 100,000 in 1997. Another study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association and co-authored by University of Washington epidemiologists found that homicide death rates were 14% lower than expected during periods when gun bans were imposed in Cali.

Homicide rates in Cali, Colombia, 1983-1998

HomicidesCaliNote: Figure taken from paper entitled “La epidemiología de los homicidios en Cali, 1993-1998: seis años de un modelo poblacional” published in the Pan American Journal of Public Health

In 2011, Guerrero Velasco was re-elected to a second term as mayor of Cali. It will be enlightening to see what additional steps he takes to curb the city’s gun violence.

Instead of using local data to identify local solutions, the US may largely have to rely on studies done in other countries to gain insight into ways to curb gun violence. Even though Obama lifted a 17-year-old ban on US federal funding for gun violence research in 2013, a congressional ban on funding for this research remains in place.



Graphs can be seen at the page
http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2014/03/visualizing-gun-deaths-com
paring-the-u-s-to-rest-of-the-world
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Friday, January 23, 2015 7:41 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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But our analysis of publicly reported gun deaths
in the twelve months after the mass shooting in
Newtown, Connecticut, shows that the federal
data substantially undercount these deaths:
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST
100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL
SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61 PERCENT
HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT.
And even
this larger number reflects just a fraction
of the total number of children injured
or killed with guns in the U.S. each year,
regardless of the intent.
ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THESE UNINTENDED DEATHS
— 65 PERCENT — TOOK PLACE IN A HOME OR VEHICLE
THAT BELONGED TO THE VICTIM’S FAMILY, MOST
OFTEN WITH GUNS THAT WERE LEGALLY OWNED BUT
NOT SECURED.
Another 19 percent took place in
the home of a relative or friend of the victim.
MORE THAN TWO-THIRDS OF THESE TRAGEDIES COULD
BE AVOIDED IF GUN OWNERS STORED THEIR GUNS
RESPONSIBLY AND PREVENTED CHILDREN FROM
ACCESSING THEM.
Of the child shooting deaths
in which there was sufficient information
available to make the determination,
70 percent (62 of 89 cases) could have been
prevented if the firearm had been stored
locked and unloaded. By contrast, incidents
in which an authorized user mishandled
a gun — such as target practice or hunting
accidents — constituted less than thirty
percent of the incidents



http://everytown.org/documents/2014/10/innocents-lost.pdf

But you know, why would anyone regulate objects designed to maim or kill? Anyone? Anyone?

Carry on....


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Friday, January 23, 2015 7:54 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


He actually put one in the chamber. But my question is do gun stores normally stock loaded guns on the shelve?

By the way, he could have killed somebody!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:



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Friday, January 23, 2015 8:06 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


True that. Assuming, of course, that this woman had every legal right to own a gun. Of course, right and sanity come into question here. What sane person would put a loaded gun, safety off - one in the chamber, in their purse to go shopping?
(Provided that the Wal-Mart is in a "safe" area).

Could you imagine a mother, walking with her kids, in a crime-ridden area packing a loaded gun? So that when one of these stupid teens goes off and starts shooting, she could shoot back. Now that makes sense, don't it?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

But our analysis of publicly reported gun deaths
in the twelve months after the mass shooting in
Newtown, Connecticut, shows that the federal
data substantially undercount these deaths:
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST
100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL
SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61 PERCENT
HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT.
And even
this larger number reflects just a fraction
of the total number of children injured
or killed with guns in the U.S. each year,
regardless of the intent.
ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THESE UNINTENDED DEATHS
— 65 PERCENT — TOOK PLACE IN A HOME OR VEHICLE
THAT BELONGED TO THE VICTIM’S FAMILY, MOST
OFTEN WITH GUNS THAT WERE LEGALLY OWNED BUT
NOT SECURED.
Another 19 percent took place in
the home of a relative or friend of the victim.
MORE THAN TWO-THIRDS OF THESE TRAGEDIES COULD
BE AVOIDED IF GUN OWNERS STORED THEIR GUNS
RESPONSIBLY AND PREVENTED CHILDREN FROM
ACCESSING THEM.
Of the child shooting deaths
in which there was sufficient information
available to make the determination,
70 percent (62 of 89 cases) could have been
prevented if the firearm had been stored
locked and unloaded. By contrast, incidents
in which an authorized user mishandled
a gun — such as target practice or hunting
accidents — constituted less than thirty
percent of the incidents



http://everytown.org/documents/2014/10/innocents-lost.pdf

But you know, why would anyone regulate objects designed to maim or kill? Anyone? Anyone?

Carry on....



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Friday, January 23, 2015 9:08 PM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.



Thats a joke, rite?

In addition to the absurdity uv the 1st haf uv the statement,you are ignoring the imense inequality uv scale between carz & gunz.

We collectively drive billionz uv milez a year. Even if you only went by the number uv timez we start our carz compared to fire our gunz, the injury/fatality rate for gunz woud be many timez greater than for carz.

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Friday, January 23, 2015 9:48 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Oh Jo, stop with the facts. If a thing 'feels' true, isn't that enough?

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Friday, January 23, 2015 11:59 PM

JO753

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Amen, brother! I need to go to church more. And join the republican party. Perhaps, sumday, God willing, save enuf to pay for a lobotomy. Then I coud hav a chance uv bekuming a truly productiv gun toting member uv society.

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Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:02 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Well if you're not a gun wielding maniac, you're just UN American, it would seem.

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Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:14 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1. The purpose of guns is to maim or injury, or to threaten to maim or injure



Hmm.

The purpose of the guns I own is generally to make holes close together in a piece of paper from far away. Occasionally it's to harvest wild game for my freezer. Sometimes certain of them are used to pulverize clay disks thrown onto the air. I have on occasion maimed tin cans and bowling pins. The people I know who own guns use them for pretty much the same things.

If the folks you know who own guns only use them to maim or injure actual people, perhaps you should associate with different folks.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


The issue isn't the purposes of those 2 things, it's the number of deaths each are involved.

A guns, as River puts it, is just an object. It doesn't mean what you think. The 2nd Amendment wasn't madness upon conception, it's the country which has gone mad.

Which means we need the 2nd Amendment now, more than ever.



So purpose doesn't matter? Would you describe a dirty bomb in someone's garage as just an object? If I had a rocket launcher, do you think the that would be considered 'just an object'?

The evidence seems to squarely rest with more guns in circulation, more deaths, and certainly more unregulated guns = more deaths. But again, it's clear that 'truthiness' is more important to you than evidence, so it's pointless having this conversation, or any conversation with you.




Truthiness ? You're gonna toss out some lame term from a comedian and put that up against the US Constitution and the 2nd Amendment ?

I'm dealing w/ absolute morons.

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Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Well if you're not a gun wielding maniac, you're just UN American, it would seem.



Spoken out of pure, concentrated ignorance.


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Monday, January 26, 2015 5:10 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:

Hmm.

The purpose of the guns I own is generally to make holes close together in a piece of paper from far away. Occasionally it's to harvest wild game for my freezer. Sometimes certain of them are used to pulverize clay disks thrown onto the air. I have on occasion maimed tin cans and bowling pins. The people I know who own guns use them for pretty much the same things.

If the folks you know who own guns only use them to maim or injure actual people, perhaps you should associate with different folks.



deflection and incredible self absorbtion or as one would say here 'I'm okay Jack'

My own personal rocket launcher is used for hanging washing on. How dare you suggest that it's purpose is anything other than a clothes line. Get it?

Probably not.

Quote:



Caroline Starks was 2 years old. Her 5-year-old brother was playing nearby with his birthday present: a .22-caliber Crickett rifle. His mother stepped outside for a moment, certain the gun wasn’t loaded. She was wrong. Caroline was pronounced dead a few hours later at the Cumberland County Hospital in Kentucky.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014
/06/gun_deaths_in_children_statistics_show_firearms_endanger_kids_despite_nra.html

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Monday, January 26, 2015 6:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Don't believe rocket launhcers are permissible for home defense, dearie

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Monday, January 26, 2015 11:24 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I'm getting a gun.

I've been blabbing about my Care2 petition in forumz and emailing activists & organizationz, including Sandy Hook Promise and all I got iz 11 signaturez.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/310/930/268/gun-incident-tax/



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Monday, January 26, 2015 3:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Don't believe rocket launhcers are permissible for home defense, dearie



Well dearie, guess you can't see the irony in your statement. Would you prefer I hung my washing between 2 AK 47'?

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Monday, January 26, 2015 11:49 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I'm going with the hydrocloric asid moat insted. The dealer threw in an authentic morning star wen I went for the power draw brij package.

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Monday, January 26, 2015 11:52 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:

Hmm.

The purpose of the guns I own is generally to make holes close together in a piece of paper from far away. Occasionally it's to harvest wild game for my freezer. Sometimes certain of them are used to pulverize clay disks thrown onto the air. I have on occasion maimed tin cans and bowling pins. The people I know who own guns use them for pretty much the same things.

If the folks you know who own guns only use them to maim or injure actual people, perhaps you should associate with different folks.



deflection and incredible self absorbtion or as one would say here 'I'm okay Jack'

My own personal rocket launcher is used for hanging washing on. How dare you suggest that it's purpose is anything other than a clothes line. Get it?



Well, when all your quotes are from well-known anti-gun sources, and your response to a truthful statement is snark, I'd say that you are the self-absorbed one.

There are 300 million guns in the U.S.

Accidental deaths by firearm total less than 900 a year per the latest CDC figures. Four times as many drown, and 31 times as many die from falls. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

The vast majority of firearms homicides occur among criminals.

Suicides are suicides. If a person decides to end their life, Is it your call or theirs?

BTW, homicides by firearm have decreased by 49% since 1993.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-si
nce-1993-peak-public-unaware
/


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Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:00 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


keep telling yourself that it's all okay.....

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Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
keep telling yourself that it's all okay.....



I'm fine w/ it.

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Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


That's sad.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 2:52 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

A three-year-old US boy shot and wounded his father and pregnant mother with a 9mm handgun that he pulled out of the woman's purse while searching for an iPad, police in New Mexico said on Sunday.

Both parents needed hospital treatment for non-life threatening injuries after the bullet went through his father's buttocks and into his mother's shoulder, Albuquerque Police Department Officer Simon Drobik said.

The woman, who is eight months pregnant, was being kept at the hospital for observation.

The father has been released, said Mr Drobik, who was the first to arrive at the scene of the incident at an Albuquerque motel on Saturday afternoon.

"On the kid's side, it's a horrible accident that happened, but the parents are still culpable," he said. "They should have secured the gun."

The couple could face felony negligence charges, he added.

The woman told police she bought the gun the day before the incident, Mr Drobik said. The man is not legally allowed to have a firearm because he has previously been convicted of a felony crime.

The family, including a two-year-old girl and the children's grandmother, had been living in an America's Best Value Inn for about a week with their two pit bulls when the incident occurred.

Following the shooting, the children were placed with child protective services. The dogs were taken by animal control staff.

The incident in New Mexico on the weekend follows the December shooting of a woman by her two-year-old son in an Idaho Walmart.

In August last year, a nine-year-old girl accidentally shot an instructor dead with a machine-gun at a shooting range near Las Vegas as her parents stood by filming the incident.



http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/toddler-3-shoots-father-and-preg
nant-mother-at-new-mexico-motel-20150201-133fx3.html

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Monday, February 23, 2015 1:42 PM

CAVETROLL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Don't believe rocket launhcers are permissible for home defense, dearie



Home defense against what? Jackbooted thugs serving a search warrant on the wrong address? Yep, totally appropriate.

For the record, A rocket grenade launcher is considered a destructive device. It requires a $200 tax stamp for the launcher and a $200 tax stamp for each explosive round. Which is how Hollyweird seems to have a never-ending supply of RPG-7s for them to continue glorifying weapon ownership and making oodles of cash to pay their stars. And the stars can then tell you how bad guns are and how they should be made illegal.

You get the delicious contradiction, right?


“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”


- Ronald Reagan

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Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:57 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Las Vegas police are looking for a man suspected of shooting a woman to death after an alleged road rage incident.

Tammy Meyers, a 44-year-old mother of four, died at the weekend from a gunshot wound.

She was taken off life support two days after being shot late on Thursday night.

Police released a video of the suspect's vehicle driving down a street and also released a composite sketch of the suspect, a white male about 25 years old.

The vehicle may have bullet damage, police said.

Ms Meyers was at the wheel after giving her daughter a driving lesson at a school parking lot when she had a near-collision with another vehicle, said the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department in a news release.

There was a verbal confrontation between the two drivers.

When Ms Meyers and her daughter returned home, they summoned help from a family member armed with a handgun as her car was apparently followed, police said.

When the other vehicle arrived at the residence, shots were fired and the woman was struck, police said.

"There was no excuse, no reason and I hope to God they know we're looking and they will be caught," Ms Meyers' cousin, Susan Ramos, said at a press conference.


http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/road-rage-manhunt-after-mother-of-
four-dies/ar-BBhDXgS?ocid=obau1

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Monday, April 27, 2015 1:49 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


No, not a tragic accident.
She left the safety off. Now that I call a stupid move.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Tragic accident, but that's all it was. More folks die of misusing their cars than their guns.


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Friday, June 19, 2015 5:42 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Charlston.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/us/the-charleston-shooting-what-happ
ened.html?_r=0


Gotta say that kid looks like I'd imagine a ultra right winger from the south

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Friday, June 19, 2015 5:50 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Even as Charleston was coming to grips with the atrocity committed in one of its churches the evening before, the hometown paper thudded onto doorsteps on Thursday morning with an unlikely advertisement affixed to the front page.

The ad, which covered the headline, was spruiking a ladies night at a local gun range.
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"$30 gets you everything," it trilled. Everything included "50 rounds of ammo", a "pistol or revolver" and a "range pass" for shooting.

The Post and Courier was quick to apologise for carrying the ad on the day after the murder of nine of the city's citizens, including the pastor and state senator, Reverend Clementa Pinckeny and the arrest of 21 year old suspect Dylann Roof.

But the unfortunate happenstance did serve as a reminder of how pervasive gun culture is in parts of the United States.

This is not an accident. The gun industry and its lobbyists have been successful not only in at defending and extending the right to bear arms, but in normalising the presence and use of lethal weapons.

We see this in the recent spread of so-called "guntry clubs" where people can socialise over a drink at their local club after using the range.
Revolvers sit on display in the Smith & Wesson booth on the exhibition floor of the NRA convention.

We see this in the family fun days advertised at shooting ranges. Normally this activity is safe, but when it is not the results can be horrific, such as in August last year when a nine-year -old girl accidently shot her instructor dead with an Uzi sub machine gun at a Nevada range as her parents filmed the incident on a phone.

We see this in the activities groups like Open Carry Texas, whose members carry military style semi-automatic weapons in restaurants and malls as part of their mission to, "Condition Texans to feel safe around law-abiding citizens that chose to open carry."

It is in this sort of culture where it might be considered appropriate for a parent to buy a handgun as a birthday present for an apparently disturbed young son.

Despite this process of normalisation, the rate of gun ownership in America is dropping, even as the number of guns in the circulation increases.

Only 31 per cent of Americans owned a gun last year, compared with nearly half in 1980.

One of the strongholds of gun ownership in America remains the South, where 38 per cent of adults own a gun, and, according to an analysis by The Washington Post , violence is more likely to occur.

And while the murder rate in America drops in line with overall crime trends, the incidence of mass shootings has increased. According to a Mother Jones analysis mass shootings occurred every 200 days on average between 1982 and 2011, since late 2011, mass shootings have occurred at triple that rate—every 64 days on average.

Each mass shooting prompts further debate over gun laws, though little action, and so far this chain of action and reaction is playing out in the same manner as other recent shootings.

The only difference is things seem to be operating on a slightly faster time frame.

After the Sandy Hook shooting it took a few days for the National Rifle Association's Wayne La Pierre to call for the arming of teachers rather than the disarming of Americans.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with gun," he said in a press conference.

This time around less than 12 hours after the bodies fell hosts and guests on a Fox News breakfast program were making the same point, suggesting that perhaps it would be best if pastors in churches were armed to protect their flock.

At lunch time, angry, stricken and blunt, Barack Obama addressed the nation from the White House and said in part: "Let's be clear, at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.

"It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it."

In the past he has waited days before making similar points.

In response gun rights advocates and conservative commentators responded in kind.

"Why are we shocked that disturbed people gravitate towards 'gun free' zones to kill without themselves coming under fire," said Richard Feldman of the Independent Firearms Owners Association in a statement.

"It's time the gun prohibitionists accept some responsibility for the innocents lacking the protective tools they need when life and death hang in the balance."

And Mr Feldman pointed out that tomorrow gun shops will again be filled, as they have been after every other mass shooting, as gun owners stock up on new weapons and ammo in fear of a crack down.

But if the murder of 20 primary school children does not prompt a crackdown there is little reason to suspect that the murder of nine worshippers in their church will.

One politician who as much as admitted that fact in a cleverly worded comment that at once absolved himself of any responsibility while quietly aligning himself with the ascendant pro-gun forces was the presidential candidate Rand Paul.

"What kind of person goes in a church and shoots nine people?" he said.

"There's a sickness in our country. There's something terribly wrong, but it isn't going to be fixed by your government.

"It's people straying away, it's people not understanding where salvation comes from."

http://www.theage.com.au/world/charleston-shooting-ad-underscores-trag
ic-depth-of-americas-gun-culture-20150619-ghs16a.html

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Friday, June 19, 2015 10:31 PM

THGRRI


It's sick yes and that's how you explain it. The guy is troubled, mental. Combine that with what Jon Stewart says on the subject and you can zero in on what floats this guy's boat.

On a side note It never ceases to amaze me that non-Americans always suggest Americans are self-centered and never pay attention to the rest of the world. Then when it's their turn to speak it's always about America.

Huh

How are you guys making out down under?


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