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I'M CURED...well, sorta, maybe...

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Friday, March 13, 2015 3:42 PM

WISHIMAY


Ok, so two trips to the ER this week. I can't even fathom how much our bill is going to be.

SO, it started off with headaches and dizziness and severe constant heart palpitations (and if I had a dollar for every medical person who tried to tell me that was "normal".... in a 34 YEAR OLD, with no previous problems, I'd be rich) and a BP that was hitting numbers that make me sick just to read them.

Then my lungs felt like they were shrinking, and eventually drawing a deep breath was painful (that's when I took the first trip to the ER) The nurse called me crazy by the way since they couldn't find anything but "extra heartbeats" which again she said they were "normal"

But by then I had stopped eating, almost altogether. and I hadn't slept more than 20 minutes a day in a week and a half. I can't tell you what that feels like. Every time I would doze off something would literally shock me back awake. My feet would turn slightly blue and tingly when I DID manage to doze off. By the end of the second week my abdomen began to swell, and I looked at least six months pregnant.

SO then came the second trip to the ER where the doc proceeded to bitch me out for "wasting his time" even though it was full of screaming drunks that night, and I was actually sick. I eventually convinced him to give me a CT scan. If you've never HAD a CT scan, they put an IV in your arm and force a couple bottles full of a high density fluid that contains iodine through your body in a just couple seconds. I felt a couple "weird thumps" in my abdomen and my head and got super hot for about a minute.

By the time they wheeled my back to my room, my BP had stabilized to my previous levels of 145/85 and stayed there until we left. I went home and actually fell asleep for a few hours for the first time in weeks.
The next morning I was weak as a kitten all day. But I NEVER felt one heart palpitation! and the swelling in my abdomen slowly went down!

The only thing I can find on the internet is that maybe I had several "micro blockages" that caused the blood to back up slightly and cause all my problems. Or maybe I have sticky blood, which I've heard can happen. I'm attributing it to the RA because most people with RA pass large bits through the intestinal membrane and I guess eventually they just all add up, at least on me. The good news is, the scan was clear and they said I have no visible tumors, so yay.

Unfortunately, now that the rest of the problems have cleared, I find I'm forgetting to breathe when I go to sleep. I'm hoping that is just a residual rhythm problem, but I've hooked myself up to hubby's old sleep apnea machine.

I'm just THRILLED to not be having palpitations and to be off the meds. I feel like I got my life back, and, at the same time- I'm terrified the symptoms will return.

I had actually written out a Will and a page for my husband to help him run the house at one low point, should I die. I never really thought of myself as worth much, but when I think of them trying to run the house without me...well, I'm just glad I'm ok, and to whoever thought up the CT scan...

THANK YOU!! SOOOO MUCH!!!

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Friday, March 13, 2015 3:44 PM

WISHIMAY


Ps. I have lost thirty pounds in the last three weeks. I know that'll make Six happy

Another thirty and I'll be back to my marrying weight, whoo.

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Friday, March 13, 2015 4:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


So you think the iodine solution was the solution?

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Friday, March 13, 2015 5:25 PM

WISHIMAY


Yeah, go fig...

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Friday, March 13, 2015 9:31 PM

WISHIMAY


DAY 3 NO PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Friday, March 13, 2015 11:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


AWESOME!




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 1:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, maybe you were suffering from severe iodine deficiency?

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:45 AM

WISHIMAY


Yeah, I had thought of that one too. My mother absorbs iodine in under 15 minutes, but she's having the same symptoms and because of the cancer has already had two CT scans. She has RA too, btw....I'd love to go to my doctor to talk about it, but the thought of how much our bill is already going to be stops me.

For right now, I'm just drinking a LOT more water, have bought some L-arginine, and am taking an aspirin a day.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2994187/Mystery-alien-g
enes-Scientists-discover-DNA-NOT-ancestors-say-change-think-evolution.html

This is a theory I've had since I was 17 and I shook someone's hand. The thought occurred to me that we probably experience very small DNA changes every time we come in contact with other people. I mean, viruses....Of course THEY change our DNA, but I think it also happens on a smaller scale.


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Saturday, March 14, 2015 6:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


MMmmm ... the 'alien DNA' in hominids is fairly ancient. As for viruses, only retroviruses routinely insert their DNA into ours.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:27 PM

WISHIMAY


Brenda, I know this is going to sound weird, but get a jar of garlic and dip a q-tip into it and clean out your ear gently.

It has stopped me from having ear infections three times, so I know it works, at least for me. Have to do it every day for three days. Maybe drink a hot chicken broth with garlic in it too. It really is a powerful antiseptic.


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Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:40 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
As for viruses, only retroviruses routinely insert their DNA into ours.




I was referring to the inherent recessive DNA that happens as a result of change in physical conditions. Like getting a flu can trigger Guillaine-Barre, or a dirty hot tub can trigger Legionnaires. As mass produced as we are today it's hard not to assume something is happening on a broader scale.
I mean, we now know some cancers are transmittable and some people produce cancer cells that don't die off easily, so you never do know...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks




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Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:29 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... a dirty hot tub can trigger Legionnaires."

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Legionnaires pneumonia is caused by a bacteria Legionella pneumophila the same way pneumococcal pneumonia is caused by a bacteria Streptococcus pneumoniae. It's an infection that doesn't have to do with our genetic code.

"... inherent recessive DNA that happens as a result of change in physical conditions."

Most human genes are silent most of the time. If they weren't our nice skin made up of skin cells would transform back to nondescript (and non-functional as skin cells go) stem cells. The same is true of every other tissue. Some parts of the human DNA code remain active as a normal part of what it means to be that tissue with that tissue's properties. And some parts of the human DNA code are activated in response to altered conditions. But this is inherent DNA that people are born with.


So I truly don't understand what you're trying to say.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:39 AM

WISHIMAY


*sigh

When you get sick enough it triggers recessive DNA. Some people are more prone to catching Legionnaires, for example. Ten people in the tub only eight get it...

Like stress can trigger Rheumatoid Arthritis. Small condition changes can trigger other larger conditions.

I'm saying that I think regular contact with others can have miniscule effects on our DNA, things that we don't know about. Like HPV can turn into cancer. Who knows what other people have that could affect our recessed DNA???

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Sunday, March 15, 2015 1:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm trying to understand your POV but you're using words that don't make sense to me in a context I'm familiar with.

Genes come in pairs, one from the mother, one from the father. There is variation in genes. They code for slightly different versions of proteins. Recessive DNA is DNA that's associated with a protein that lacks something - an incomplete protein. So if you have a pair of genes - one dominant one which codes for a complete protein and one recessive one which codes for an incomplete protein - the one that codes for the complete protein will mask the presence of the one that codes for the incomplete protein. That's why you have to have two copies of DNA that code for the incomplete protein in order to see that you have incomplete proteins. That's the definition of 'recessive' DNA.

I don't think you mean recessive DNA then because it doesn't do what you're describing.

So I'm trying to understand what you mean. The one thing I can think of that comes closest is 'silent' DNA - DNA which is inactive. And in adults, a lot of DNA is 'silent' DNA.

Is that what you mean? Due to changes from outside - a viral DNA we get exposed to that is one that inserts itself into our DNA, or a bacteria that causes our body to react biochemically - our inactive DNA becomes activated?

What I get that you're trying to express that DNA is a fluid, dynamic system, that is constantly changing with circumstance. But I'm struggling to understand your specific ideas.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, March 15, 2015 5:59 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is that what you mean? Due to changes from outside - a viral DNA we get exposed to that is one that inserts itself into our DNA, or a bacteria that causes our body to react biochemically - our inactive DNA becomes activated?



YES.


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Sunday, March 15, 2015 6:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


THANK YOU ! for your reply. Now I feel I understand what you mean!




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, March 16, 2015 7:00 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'm apalled by the healthcare you are receiving, but glad something has changed and you feel better.

My son, when he was younger, had this condition that meant that however hideously unwell he was, he would be immediately better upon entry to a hospital. Which always left me looking like a fool.

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Monday, March 16, 2015 3:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Wish!

This is Wonderful news!

I don't understand what happened, and I know that would be driving me crazy, but when you were feeling like you were and all the sudden it stops flat after just doing a CAT scan, you can't argue the results. Don't let it drive you crazy. Just be happy it's happening and enjoy how good it feels NOT to feel anything. It might come back, or it might not. If it does, at least you know you can force them to give you another scan even if they don't think it is prudent. At that point, if you're right, you'll have two scientific test results that lead to the same conclusion, "Wish's Theory", unless it can be proven otherwise. From what I hear, those Science Types can't resist trying something for a third time to see what happens at that point. ;)

I'd use their curiosity as leverage to get the third scan "on the house" while they all stand around with boners (and whatever the female equivalent of boners are) waiting for the 3rd results. Why pay for results that somebody else is even more excited to see than you are?



Seriously though,

If you just can't help yourself, don't be afraid of calling your doctor to talk about this Wish. SERIOUSLY. I know they're extremely busy, and they might not be able to get back to you right away, but any Doctor worth their salt is going to at least give 10 minutes of their time to talk to you. Just have a good idea of the questions you want answered ahead of time, and keep it on point after the initial pleasantries. As long as the list isn't 20 items long and you don't call them everyday, I don't see any reason why some discussion about your condition isn't part of the massive bill we pay. I would write down your 3 most important questions and have them in your hand while you talk, with a pen. Discussions always veer off topic, and time will be limited. Don't go too far off the trail and get left with 2 questions unanswered.

Conversely, if your doctor refused to talk to you over the phone and forced you to come in and pay the base fee to talk to them about it, DUMP THEM. Period. There's almost as many doctors as lawyers out there, and the HIP is Blue Cross, at least it is by me, so you do have other choices (oh shit.. just remembered how far you might have to travel for a doctor though.....).

Maybe I'm just lucky, but the doctor I had since before I was in high school, a family practitioner, is great like that. I've only called him twice about things in the last 15 years, but he gladly gave me 5-10 minutes of his time without ever making me feel like he had more important things to be doing. (If he was annoyed by speaking with me, I'd have to assume his awesome bedside manner is all a sham too.)

This was a doctor that practiced in a busy south suburb of Chicago, affiliated with Christ Hospital. I know we live in VERY different areas, demographically speaking, but I can't imagine a Dr. down by you is more busy than this guy is from day to day.

Think about this for a moment. Any Doctor would want to know all of the answers about why their car repairs cost so much if they were making our wages for their skills. (But they don't, because they make so much that they often pay full list price and hardly ever look for a sale).



Anyways....

30 LBS! And you say you're eating now too? Time to throw a party girl!

As happy as I am for you, careful with that weight loss here on out. 30 LBS that quickly sounds pretty harmless to me as long as you're done just shedding off weight like a snake shedding its skin. Obviously I'm no doctor, and for real don't go by anything I say, but I'm not concerned because everything about this seems so complex and this is likely just a lot of bloat water weight being shed, like a dam being opened.

I actually do know enough about metabolism and biology in general to know that unless you had some other problem like Stephen King's Thinner Disease (SKTD), there isn't any other way you could shed that amount of weight in that little amount of time.

Just watch it now. Ease back into it. Test the waters.... and when you start working out again and losing weight, just make sure you only lose 1-3 pounds a week max.

Not only can we hurt ourselves off the bat or just burn ourselves out before we really gave a workout regimen a chance, insane changes in your diet and activity at our age can be a shock to the system. Sometimes that's good, but sometimes that's bad. Why roll the dice when you're 30 something?

I don't really have anything to live for right now except for myself, and for making sure when I finally do take that last afternoon nap that I go with positive cash to bequeath to my niece's college fund when I go. I don't know about you though, but I don't plan on going anywhere soon.

I know how much you care about hubbs and precious. You're in it for the long haul baby. Why kill yourself trying to lose another 30lbs in 3 weeks when you can lose it in the next 30 weeks and then scale back a bit and just relax and enjoy and then just "maintain"? By that time whatever light-to-middle exercise you do everyday will have become a habit, and part of that is just your brain making positive pathways to positive behavior. Serotonin is your body's way of giving a good doggy a treat.

(Unless you're a cheater and you snort cocaine regularly and deplete days worth of the stores of Serotonin you've built up in National Bank of Self
in only a couple of hours.... It's been years, but the crash for some is a miserable 2 days without any Serotonin rations while the banks replenish themselves. Don't do drugs kids.).


Don't ever let an obsessive exerciser tell you they're not on drugs though. Those people you see who obsessively work out and jog and obsessively talk about working out and jogging... they're all on drugs too. I know first hand because I very much used to be one of them. Serotonin is one hell of a drug. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin


I just love hearing that you're feeling so much better Wish.

Now you can get back to working on that house and start a new thread about it in the General Discussions area. Then you can guilt me into getting back into my own home repair again. Then you and hubbs can play drinking games about how many times I say "primer" in a post again. And JO will come back and post along with us and show us links to his fascinating ideas on communication and math theories that are way over our heads.

I'm happy for you and the fam. I hope that this was the answer you were all wishing for.

Love ya,
~6


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Ps. I have lost thirty pounds in the last three weeks. I know that'll make Six happy

Another thirty and I'll be back to my marrying weight, whoo.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 16, 2015 3:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I'm apalled by the healthcare you are receiving ..."

It's the American way.

Warning to anyone who gets their care from Kaiser - it has now become 'bottom of the barrel' healthcare. Not only do they not look for the causes of health problems, they often don't treat what they happen to stumble across.


Three examples from where I work -

One of my coworkers who was around 35 at the time was having increasing neck pain and stiffness. Without taking x-rays or doing any diagnostic work they told him it was arthritis, a story they maintained without any evidence for 4 years. But he ended up with disabling trunk and leg weakness - to the point he needed help doing everyday things like getting out of bed and into and out of a car. One day he ultimately ended up unable to stand even while leaning with his back to the wall. When they took him to the ER and took x-rays they found he had a tumor growing in his spine that extended from his skull to midway down his back. He did get surgery and mostly recovered, with some residual weakness and paralysis. But at least his story has a semi-happy ending.

Another coworker also in his mid-thirties was experiencing extremely fast heart rate. He went to a same day appointment and the doctor found he also had heart failure. The coworker was airlifted by helicopter to the closest Kaiser facility with cardiac imaging and ICU facilities.
His health history was complicated. He born with a more severe Tetralogy of Fallot (congenital holes in the heart). It turns out that when you have surgery as a child to fix the heart, as you grow the heart changes shape and the repairs especially to the pulmonary valve become deformed. That causes it to fail (his was leaking 90%) and that leads to heart failure. That's why adults who've had that surgery as a child need monitoring, and ultimately another surgery to revise the original fix. But Kaiser wasn't monitoring his condition, and hadn't been from the day he joined.
So, they cauterized the coworker's abnormal nerve growth that was causing the fast heart rate, gave him medication to strengthen his heart, scheduled his heart surgery for a leisurely FOUR WEEKS in the future and SENT HIM HOME to wait. Where he died a week before his surgery, in front of his young children. OOPS. But it probably saved Kaiser a quarter of a million dollars.

The third story is a coworker in her early sixties. For the last 7 years or thereabouts she's been complaining of severe pain in her hip, and stiffness. Again, without doing any diagnostic tests at all, they told her it was arthritis and that she should take ibuprofen and exercise because that would fix her problems. In fact, they repeatedly scolded her over the years for failing to get with the program, despite the fact that she was telling them she was in too much pain to exercise and that when she did, it didn't help. So, a couple of months ago she tripped and fell, and went to the ER, where they discovered she had bone-on-bone arthritis with bone cysts and severe deformation - and that indeed, she didn't need exercise and ibuprofen, but instead a total hip replacement. As she hasn't had the surgery yet, it's still an ongoing story. I'm curious to see if she ends up with a antibiotic resistant infection and a hip that doesn't work. But, on the bright side, I'm sure Kaiser banked that money that they should have spent years ago.

I have more stories regarding a coworker's father (he's dead now), and a relative who had cancer that ultimately was found by a different provider (he's alive now no thanks to Kaiser). If I thought about it I could probably come up with more stories about Kaiser.

So Magon's - this is America's fantastic health-care system. Profits before people at every turn. What do you think of it?






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, March 16, 2015 4:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I've always thought it sounded like a steaming great pile of gose. You've just confirmed it. And I hate the fact that our system is being undermined and under funded by successive governments, when it's been so good.

I can't believe that your only option is to turn up to ER, Wish, that you dont have a local practice that can keep a record of your health, order pathology and other tests and discuss treatment options. Do you not have GP's (General Practitioners)?


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Monday, March 16, 2015 5:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I suspect it's being done with a certain amount of popular support? Which political group thinks it's OK?

Oh - as a general personal observation - it's amazing to me how often people in power exploit tribal thinking (religious, hierarchical, partisan, war-party) to get willing dupes to shoot themselves in the heart.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, March 16, 2015 6:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Titty

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 16, 2015 8:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Or this song. It makes me happy too.



Makes me think about how much I love my brothers.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:36 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


6-ix

Just HI!




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hi Kiki ;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK




We played this on a computer my mom bought for way more money than she should have paid for it because they showed her videos of dolphins swimming on the Encyclpedia Brittanica that came with it.

At least my bros got her money's worth playing Gemstorm.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 6:48 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Anybody know anything about migraines? I think I've been suffering from them intermittently for years, but definitely getting more frequent. symptoms are usually sudden onset of a headache, nausea and vomiting, sensitivity to light and sound. Acute stage is about 4-6 hours long followed by about 12 hours of feeling washed out. Triggers are a combination of feeling stressed, or having been stressed, alcohol, tiredness, with some hormonal component.

Any suggestions for managing them?

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 3:13 PM

BYTEMITE


Dang wish, glad you're okay.

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 6:18 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Anybody know anything about migraines? I think I've been suffering from them intermittently for years, but definitely getting more frequent. symptoms are usually sudden onset of a headache, nausea and vomiting, sensitivity to light and sound. Acute stage is about 4-6 hours long followed by about 12 hours of feeling washed out. Triggers are a combination of feeling stressed, or having been stressed, alcohol, tiredness, with some hormonal component.

Any suggestions for managing them?



Did you already read this?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Have you stopped consuming sucralose?


Wha?
Not that sucralose has anything to do with my BP going through the roof, but I never used it to begin with??

PS. And to clarify I should probably add it could also be a thyroid/metabolic problem as well, and if I had a slow growing tumor I would consider surgery once and anything not involving chemo. Either way, this is one of those things where I KNOW something is wrong. I may not even wait until my appointments. This stuff is freaking me out. I'm actually scared to lay down and go to sleep....


My friends who have cut out their sucralose consumption have eliminated their Adrenal problems, and central nervous system ailments, which you had mentioned, plus eliminated their High Blood Pressure, which you above referenced. As well as their Thyroid, Thymus, Lymphatic, and metabolism problems - and they also cancelled all of their surgeries they had scheduled prior to going cold turkey on sucralose.
The description of the problems you related are precisely the reason I mentioned the source of those problems in my friends and coworkers.

You may not be aware of your consumption of sucralose, many do not. It is now found in milk, fruits, vegetables, medicines, candy, ice cream, chocolate, a wide variety of otherwise innocuous, healthy, and nutritional items. Not just popcorn anymore. Even my friends who work to avoid it find it difficult to identify which products contain it, and it spikes their BP, Insulin, headaches, etc.


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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You may have noticed from previous posts that I try to avoid as many processed foods as I can, and definitely anything in it with artifical sweetners is a no go in this household. We eat full fat everything including butter not margarine and if we are going to eat sweet stuff, it's usually made with sugar (which I periodically avoid), fruit or dried fruit such as dates. If I didn't have to work so much, I'd make everything from scratch with no processed foods at all, but I'm not quite that motivated or disciplined and really like to do other stuff other than hang out in the kitchen when I get a chance.

However, I am aware that they stuff gets sneaked in to foods, so I'll keep an eye out for it.

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Migraines often have food triggers. Some people are sensitive to tyramine:



http://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/guide/tyramine-and-migraines

In some people, certain foods and drinks -- or components they contain -- can trigger a migraine. One well-accepted migraine trigger is tyramine.
Tyramine is a substance found naturally in some foods. It's especially found in aged and fermented foods, such as:
Aged cheeses
Smoked fish
Cured meats
Some types of beer
Also, foods high in protein may contain more tyramine if:
They have been stored for a long time
They have not been kept cold enough



People I know who have migraines and who've looked into this tell me that there can be blended migraines - they start out as one kind of pain and end up as a migraine. So, there are tension-migraines and sinus-migraines. And I may be misremembering, but I think there are exercise-migraines too. Another person I know with migraines figured out that they had food-triggered migraines (not related to tyramine) by keeping a food diary. I once had a visual migraine triggered by intense visual patterns.

People tell me that if they treat their migraines at the start - get into a dim quiet room and lie down - and take ibuprofen (some also drink coffee since caffeine shrinks the expanded blood vessels) - they can lessen the intensity and duration. Some people get relief from a cold compress on the migraine, others warm. I've read you have to experiment to see if, and which.

That's all I can say off the top of my head.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:14 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I'm apalled by the healthcare you are receiving, but glad something has changed and you feel better.

My son, when he was younger, had this condition that meant that however hideously unwell he was, he would be immediately better upon entry to a hospital. Which always left me looking like a fool.



Not half as appalled as I am. I should mention they took a pregnancy test, a drug and an alcohol panel even though my husband is sterile and I said I've never done drugs, and was dressed nicely. It's just another way to hose the insurance companies...

It's the adrenaline, after the first doc visit and ER trip I would crash as well. Adrenaline can mask a lot of natural symptoms...

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:19 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wish!




I just love hearing that you're feeling so much better Wish.

I'm happy for you and the fam. I hope that this was the answer you were all wishing for.

Love ya,
~6




Wasn't really much of an answer, per se. I just got lucky for a minute, maybe...

Thanks though, Six

and Byte too.

Good to see ya pop in

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Many vets have told me that cats especially - being prey animals that don't live in groups - mask illness symptoms extremely well in the vet's office. (They also say that the owner has the best chance of noticing something wrong since the cat is less defensive.)


I wonder if the 'trip to the doctor's' cure is related to that. From what you said Wish it seems like it might be.




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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:22 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Anybody know anything about migraines? I think I've been suffering from them intermittently for years, but definitely getting more frequent. symptoms are usually sudden onset of a headache, nausea and vomiting, sensitivity to light and sound. Acute stage is about 4-6 hours long followed by about 12 hours of feeling washed out. Triggers are a combination of feeling stressed, or having been stressed, alcohol, tiredness, with some hormonal component.

Any suggestions for managing them?



I take Astaxanthin and it helps sometimes. Have you been checked for Meniere's? I have a distant relative that has that and that's about what happens to her...

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Thursday, March 19, 2015 3:38 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Migraines often have food triggers. Some people are sensitive to tyramine:



http://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/guide/tyramine-and-migraines

In some people, certain foods and drinks -- or components they contain -- can trigger a migraine. One well-accepted migraine trigger is tyramine.
Tyramine is a substance found naturally in some foods. It's especially found in aged and fermented foods, such as:
Aged cheeses
Smoked fish
Cured meats
Some types of beer
Also, foods high in protein may contain more tyramine if:
They have been stored for a long time
They have not been kept cold enough



People I know who have migraines and who've looked into this tell me that there can be blended migraines - they start out as one kind of pain and end up as a migraine. So, there are tension-migraines and sinus-migraines. And I may be misremembering, but I think there are exercise-migraines too. Another person I know with migraines figured out that they had food-triggered migraines (not related to tyramine) by keeping a food diary. I once had a visual migraine triggered by intense visual patterns.

People tell me that if they treat their migraines at the start - get into a dim quiet room and lie down - and take ibuprofen (some also drink coffee since caffeine shrinks the expanded blood vessels) - they can lessen the intensity and duration. Some people get relief from a cold compress on the migraine, others warm. I've read you have to experiment to see if, and which.

That's all I can say off the top of my head.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.



I don't eat cured meats being a pescatarian currently and not being able to stomach them very well since pregnancy many years ago which put me off certain foods. I would have last eaten smoked fish about 5 years ago, I like it but its not that common here.

Red wine and perhaps chocolate may be a trigger, which is a bummer because they are kind of my last guilty pleasures. Hormones and stress seem to play a big part.

Definitely staying put somewhere dark and quiet is the best solution, but my aim is to treat the symptoms because the nausea and vomiting can be extreme. It's also quite debilitating if I have something significant on, which is usually the cause of the stress.

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Thursday, March 19, 2015 5:13 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:


I take Astaxanthin and it helps sometimes. Have you been checked for Meniere's? I have a distant relative that has that and that's about what happens to her...



Just looked up astaxanthin as I never heard of it. I wonder if it's on the market here.

Going to get some tests done next week, so probably will check for menieres.

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Friday, March 20, 2015 12:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hi Magon's

I have a nosy favor to ask.

I know two people with Meniere's. Even tho it's been many years, I seem to recall that it was a diagnosis of exclusion. If you could recount how they try to diagnose it there I'd appreciate it.




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Friday, March 20, 2015 6:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'll let you know. I don't think I have the symptoms of menieres, however, even from my internet self diagnosis.

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Saturday, March 21, 2015 12:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'll be very interested in what you have to say. Thanks, Magon's




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Friday, April 10, 2015 8:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


How you feeling Wish? Things still going good? *fingers crossed* :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 10, 2015 11:04 PM

WISHIMAY


Yeah, still PILL FREEEEEEE!


NO palpitations!
No EXTRA BEATS!
Been workin' out in the yard a bit, and got scared by a spidey and my heart didn't hurt when the BP went up, so that is just SUPER. (Haven't gotten the bills yet though, may yet have that heart attack )

Sleep apnea eventually resolved itself too.

Thanks fer askin

How'r you??

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Friday, April 10, 2015 11:10 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:


I can't believe that your only option is to turn up to ER, Wish, that you dont have a local practice that can keep a record of your health, order pathology and other tests and discuss treatment options. Do you not have GP's (General Practitioners)?




I had been seeing a Cardiologist, as I had had a small increase in BP for a couple months before, and they had ordered several inconclusive tests...but when I was explaining what was happening and he ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO SEE A THERAPIST I was left to my own devices when I stormed out of his office in a rage... I just didn't think talking about it was going to fix my BP. SHOCKER, I know...

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 2:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Good to hear :)

Unless you prove me wrong, I think I'm the first person in Indiana to mow my lawn on Wednesday. Did you know that there are so many hours in the week that you can do things if you're not drinking all of the time?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:21 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
...not drinking all of the time?





That's good to hear too. I think we were all worried you were going off the rails with it.

Hubby has a saying "Do what thy will, but be cool about it."

Keep it to a "cool" level bro

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:56 PM

WHOZIT


You still have coodies

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Saturday, April 11, 2015 7:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... not drinking all of the time ..."

That's good to hear!




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Saturday, April 11, 2015 7:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Hubby has a saying "Do what thy will, but be cool about it.""

Interesting perspective.




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Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:


I can't believe that your only option is to turn up to ER, Wish, that you dont have a local practice that can keep a record of your health, order pathology and other tests and discuss treatment options. Do you not have GP's (General Practitioners)?




I had been seeing a Cardiologist, as I had had a small increase in BP for a couple months before, and they had ordered several inconclusive tests...but when I was explaining what was happening and he ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO SEE A THERAPIST I was left to my own devices when I stormed out of his office in a rage... I just didn't think talking about it was going to fix my BP. SHOCKER, I know...



Hahahah. Well one of the possible options is that some of your symptoms could have a psychological basis - and by this I don't mean psychosymatic either. But panic attacks look very similar to what you have described and have a physiological component.... ie racing heart, shortness of breath, increased BP.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/panic_a
ttack


Of course you always have to rule out things like heart attack and possible diagnosis first, and there is nothing to say that other physical issues may also exist hand in hand.

Given some of the issues you deal with, I'd say that some counselling would probably be quite useful.

http://www.aipc.net.au/articles/counselling-and-the-brain-five-major-p
rocesses
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