Alternating text direction by JO753

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Originally posted by JO753:

'Coming about' happenz wen enuf peepl get behind it.

I made Nooalf in 1989 and rote stuf for myself with a less refined fonetic system sins 1966. Like, you I had no particular trouble learning regular english, I just alwayz knew it wuz junk.

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A big problem with your premise is that you do not take accents or education into account. There are many times I find that because I mispronounce a word I can't spell it. Your way of approaching spelling would have the same word being spelled differently depending on where you are from.

I look at the way you spell happens. You use a Z at the end to signify plural. You do that with all words you pluralize. When I say the word it does not sound like it should have a Z at the end but instead an S. Take the way you spell was,(wus). It is not pronounced the way you suggest it is in the way you spell it. You spell it the way someone with a limited education or an inner city background would pronounce and spell it.

Sorry but what you suggest is based on matching spelling to pronunciation. A speech instructor would destroy your concept by comparing your spelling to words when they are properly pronounced.

We live in a world where communication is vital to survival. Your concept would only spread confusion as it does for me at least in trying to understand many of your posts.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 12:22 AM

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
A big problem with your premise is that you do not take accents or education into account.

Incorrect. I suppoze you havent looked at the website at all and think wut I'm riting here iz nooalf.

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There are many times I find that because I mispronounce a word I can't spell it.

Odd that you think being able to pronounce a word will enable you to spell it in regular English.

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Your way of approaching spelling would have the same word being spelled differently depending on where you are from.

Nooalf can spell dialects, aksents and mispronunsiationz az well az a 'proper standard'. Its a frequent misconseption that its purely spell az you speak.

Being able to identify where sumwun iz from based on their spelling soundz like an advantaj to me.

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I look at the way you spell happens. You use a Z at the end to signify plural. You do that with all words you pluralize.

Your nuts!

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When I say the word it does not sound like it should have a Z at the end but instead an S.

Thats unusual. Sins I'v never herd you talk, I cant say youre rong, but I dont think I'v herd any nativ English speaker say S for such wordz. I recall hearing if from ESL Germanz and probably other East Europeanz.

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Take the way you spell was,(wus).

wuz.

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You spell it the way someone with a limited education or an inner city background would pronounce and spell it.

I'm from Chicago. I hav a Midwest dialect. Pretty much the same az 99% uv everybody you will hear on the radio, TV and moviez from America.

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A speech instructor would destroy your concept by comparing your spelling to words when they are properly pronounced.

Dont you think a speech instructor woud realize that if sumwun readz a word they hav alwayz mispronounsed in a proper spelling system it will enable them to see that they hav been mispronounsing it?

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Monday, June 15, 2015 2:00 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

ur a kompleet ideeuht

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 6:27 AM

rezident owtsidr

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ur a kompleet ideeuht

No. I'm not. I am missing many aksesoryz and parts.

But you hav a massiv surplus, so coud you lend me sum?

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Monday, June 15, 2015 12:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I'm from Chicago. I hav a Midwest dialect. Pretty much the same az 99% uv everybody you will hear on the radio, TV and moviez from America.

Er, I have a midwest accent, too. And, no, you do not hear it on TV or radio. At least, not on national coverage. THEY speak accentless American. The midwest doesn't.

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aksesoryz

It took me more than few seconds to figure this out. I wonder if maybe nooalf couldn't include accent marks?

Anyway. TO get back to how phonetic English might be adopted ... there aren't any big phonetic English movements that I've noticed. No motions in Congress to study the matter. Again, while I agree in general with the idea, I don't see a way to get the ball rolling. And arguing on FFF.net about it isn't going to get you anywhere: you need a bigger audience.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 12:21 PM

Nooalf seeks to eliminate the extensive use of digraphs (such as "ch", "gh", "kn-", "-ng", "ph", "qu", "sh", voiced "th", voiceless "th" and "wh-") by introducing new letters and/or diacritics. The impetus for removing digraphs is so each letter represents a single sound. In a digraph, the two letters do not represent their individual sounds but instead an entirely different and discrete sound, which can sometimes lead to mishaps in pronunciation, in addition to much lengthier words.

Digraphs
•ch, which makes the /ch/ sound as in watch, chick, chimpanzee, and champion
•ck, which makes the /k/ sound as in chick
•ff, which makes the /f/ sound as in cliff
•gh, which makes the /g/ sound as in ghost and ghastly
•gn, which makes the /n/ sound as in gnome and gnarled
•kn, which makes the /n/ sound as in knife and knight
•ll, which makes the /l/ sound as in wall
•mb, which makes the /m/ sound as in lamb and thumb
•ng, which makes the /ng/ sound as in fang, boomerang, and fingerprint
•nk, which makes the /nk/ sound as in ink, sink and rink
•ph, which makes the /f/ sound as in digraph, phone, and phonics
•qu, which makes the /kw/ sound as in quick
•sh, which makes the /sh/ sound as in shore, shipwreck, shark, and shield
•ss, which makes the /s/ sound as in floss
•th, which makes the /th/ sound as in athlete, toothbrush, bathtub, thin, and thunderstorm
•th, which makes the /th/ sound as in this, there, and that
•wh, which makes the /hw/ sound as in where and which
•wr, which makes the /wr/ sound as in write
•zz, which makes the /z/ sound as in fuzz and buzz

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
A big problem with your premise is that you do not take accents or education into account.

Incorrect. I suppoze you havent looked at the website at all and think wut I'm riting here iz nooalf.

Wrong, I glanced at it about 3 times. It makes no sense to me to want to write like that and it gives me a headache.

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There are many times I find that because I mispronounce a word I can't spell it.

Odd that you think being able to pronounce a word will enable you to spell it in regular English.

Really?? And I am suggesting it helps.

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Your way of approaching spelling would have the same word being spelled differently depending on where you are from.

Nooalf can spell dialects, aksents and mispronunsiationz az well az a 'proper standard'. Its a frequent misconseption that its purely spell az you speak.

Being able to identify where sumwun iz from based on their spelling soundz like an advantaj to me.

You take an awful lot for granted in the clams you make. I look at what you write and much of it is forced and doesn’t work.

DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ?

This would make no sense to most who are not familiar with Jubal Early and the show.

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I look at the way you spell happens. You use a Z at the end to signify plural. You do that with all words you pluralize.

Your nuts!

Your ( questionz ) are ansrd alredy on the Nooalf site. (questions) plural. If you change that for the next pluralation then you prove yourself inconsistant. Here’s another example of you doing this.

I can read it OK, but Ive red entire books upside down and ( chapterz ) n the mirror right side up & upside down,

Upon examining more of your posts I see there is no consistency to what you write. There is also a lot of other posts by you in this thread were S’s were used at the end of words to signify pluralism. It is made up as you go.

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When I say the word it does not sound like it should have a Z at the end but instead an S.

Thats unusual. Sins I'v never herd you talk, I cant say youre rong, but I dont think I'v herd any nativ English speaker say S for such wordz. I recall hearing if from ESL Germanz and probably other East Europeanz.

So as I suggest, where you come from would change spellings and interpretations.

Question, since you spell since, sins in the paragraph above, how would you actually spell sins? Since and sins do not sound alike, so if Nooalf spelling is based on sound alike, this word shows it is not consistent. Some might say siz. How you spell a word would be subject to ones own interpretation and therefore would no longer be precise enough to be reliable.

How do you look up a word you do not understand if someone's accent has influenced the way they spell it? What about inflections, a change in the form of a word to reflect different grammatical functions of the word in a sentence?

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Take the way you spell was, (wus).

You spell it the way someone with a limited education or an inner city background would pronounce and spell it.

I'm from Chicago. I hav a Midwest dialect. Pretty much the same az 99% uv everybody you will hear on the radio, TV and moviez from America.

Pretty much everyone I hear on TV sounds like they come from all over. People who say ( wus )are usually portraying someone with a lack of education and understanding of the English language.

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A speech instructor would destroy your concept by comparing your spelling to words when they are properly pronounced.

Dont you think a speech instructor woud realize that if sumwun readz a word they hav alwayz mispronounsed in a proper spelling system it will enable them to see that they hav been mispronounsing it?

If I understand you correctly because your question is not very clear,yes and then by helping them to pronounce it properly it would also be helping them when it comes to spelling it.

With you I think the teacher would try what some here are trying to do and others have tried to do in the past, to realize the many holes in your argument.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53416

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Monday, June 15, 2015 3:56 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

ur a kompleet ideeuht

no. I'm not. I am missing many aksesoryz and parts.
but you hav a massiv surplus, so coud you lend me sum?

Why should I care about having credibility with you?

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Monday, June 15, 2015 4:58 PM

rezident owtsidr

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I'm from Chicago. I hav a Midwest dialect. Pretty much the same az 99% uv everybody you will hear on the radio, TV and moviez from America.
Er, I have a midwest accent, too. And, no, you do not hear it on TV or radio. At least, not on national coverage. THEY speak accentless American. The midwest doesn't.

http://dialectblog.com/2011/08/01/general-american-english/

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aksesoryz
It took me more than few seconds to figure this out. I wonder if maybe nooalf couldn't include accent marks?

Nooalf duznt show any emfisis on a sound in a word. Can you think uv any word pairz that are differentiated by the emfisis?

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TO get back to how phonetic English might be adopted ... there aren't any big phonetic English movements that I've noticed.

I'v been trying to get it in the newz for yirz with zero sekses. Its like The Illuminati are blocking it.

Youd think that amongst the many thouzandz uv time filler storyz theyv dumped on us in the last 15 yirz, they coud hav found a minit uv time or an inch uv kolum spase for sumthing this important.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 5:19 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Its like The Illuminati are blocking it.

That must be it! It's such a groundbreaking idea so well thought out by such a brilliant mind that no less than the Illuminati must be threatened by it!

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Monday, June 15, 2015 5:24 PM

JO I'm not in this discussion to insult you. Only to voice my opinion.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 5:49 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It doesn't matter. He's such an egomaniac he ignores, dismisses or lambastes all negative comments, without exception (see below for yet another example). Because it's not about the idea, it's all about him.

If he wanted to know what people thought (as he claimed at the start of the thread) - and maybe buy a clue as to why his ideas get no traction - he would pay serious attention when people tell him what's going wrong with his proposals.

But no. Because he's far smarter, better versed, and more insightful than everyone else put together, and he has a 'reason' for everything that far outweighs all observations. He's perfect, and special, and don't you dare imply otherwise.

Me, I AM here for the sole purpose of making fun of his stupid posts.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 5:50 PM

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Nooalf seeks to eliminate the extensive use of digraphs (such as "ch", "gh", "kn-", "-ng", "ph", "qu", "sh", voiced "th", voiceless "th" and "wh-") by introducing new letters and/or diacritics...

Mostly true, but your sourse didnt mention any uv the vowelz that arent reprezented in traditional English.

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Wrong, I glanced at it about 3 times. It makes no sense to me to want to write like that and it gives me a headache.

3 timez! That makes you an expert!

Getting a 'headache' so quickly iz a good sine. It meanz the sement in your hed iznt too thick.

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Odd that you think being able to pronounce a word will enable you to spell it in regular English.

Really?? And I am suggesting it helps.

A little, usually. But see how far that gets you in a spelling bee. English spelling iz purely prescriptiv. 1 rong letter and you are an idiot and will be banished from sosiety.

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You take an awful lot for granted in the clams you make. I look at what you write and much of it is forced and doesn’t work.

DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ?

This would make no sense to most who are not familiar with Jubal Early and the show.

Most peepl can read Nooalf even if theyv never seen it before. Go ahed and prezent that to your frendz az a puzzle. Bet them 5 buks that they cant figure it out.

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I look at the way you spell happens. You use a Z at the end to signify plural. You do that with all words you pluralize.

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Your nuts!

The proper reply woud hav been 'Wut about them?'

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Upon examining more of your posts I see there is no consistency to what you write. There is also a lot of other posts by you in this thread were S’s were used at the end of words to signify pluralism. It is made up as you go.

S or Z do not directly denote plural in Nooalf, they denote the sound S or Z.

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Question, since you spell since, sins in the paragraph above, how would you actually spell sins?

since = sins
sins = sinz

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How do you look up a word you do not understand if someone's accent has influenced the way they spell it?

Same az regular English, it dependz how far off the standard they are. Usually, a word will be close enuf to get you to the rite paje in a dictionary. From there, thered be only 1 or a few reazonable choisez considering the context.

There are dialects that are so far off that non-localz cannot understand them. Therez no way to spell them with regular English. With Nooalf, you coud rite it and sumwun who knowz that dialect and a standard dialect woud be able to tranzlate it for you.

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What about inflections, a change in the form of a word to reflect different grammatical functions of the word in a sentence?

How do you do that with regular english spelling?

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Pretty much everyone I hear on TV sounds like they come from all over. People who say ( wus )are usually portraying someone with a lack of education and understanding of the English language.

You arent a particularly careful lissener.

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With you I think the teacher would try what some here are trying to do and others have tried to do in the past, to realize the many holes in your argument.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53416

Its good that you found that all this haz been covered before here on FFFF. So now maybe you hav sum comments and questionz about oltalf?

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Monday, June 15, 2015 6:19 PM

No questions, no comments. No point in going further with this except to say, I have ignored many of your posts because they are confusing. I can see that's not going to change. Nothing personal but I foresee me ignoring most of your posts going forward.

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Monday, June 15, 2015 7:28 PM

rezident owtsidr

How sad.

Well, I got a Q for you. Wut duz THGRRI mean?

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Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:01 AM

rezident owtsidr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon

A similar idea shown on that paje iz called 'rongorongo', or 'reverse boustrophedon'. insted uv mirroring every other line uv text side to side, it rotates them on the 2D plane so they are upside down.

Usually not a bad idea, but in situationz where a single sheet uv paper, a post-it-note, or sumthing ritten on an object that didnt hav an obvious orientation, readerz coud waste time beginning to read from the last sentens.

This woudnt seem like a big deal to most peepl, but considering the total number uv possible readerz (trillionz) over potentially eonz, the time wasted for even relatively rare occurans iz huje. Maybe thats why its called rongorongo.

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Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
How sad.

Well, I got a Q for you. Wut duz THGRRI mean?

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It means whatever you like. I realized all these posts are online and can be googled at any time. Because things get nuts, hateful and bigoted here much of the time, I did not want my identity tied into these threads. The fact that you had to ask means I got it right.

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Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:16 AM