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Funny Cartoon sparks Islamic Jihad !
Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:00 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:15 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, February 4, 2006 9:15 PM
GINOBIFFARONI
Sunday, February 5, 2006 2:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni: Perhaps they figure wedding receptions are fair game, simply because of the number of them your airforce seems to bomb ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,748300,00.html http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/May/25%20o/The%20Wedding%20Bombing%20at%20Maghar%20al%20Deeb%20By%20Mike%20Whitney.htm http://www.doublestandards.org/oneill1.html Mind you, when you don't control a media source such as aljazeerah.... well bombing them suddenly becomes an option ? Don't think they give a shit
Quote: The Pentagon confirmed that a B-52 bomber did drop seven "precision guided weapons" on a cave complex, one of which missed the target.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 4:23 AM
FINN MAC CUMHAL
Sunday, February 5, 2006 5:09 AM
SEVENPERCENT
Quote:a few infidel Danes crank out a mildly amusing cartoon here and there
Sunday, February 5, 2006 6:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SevenPercent: Quote:a few infidel Danes crank out a mildly amusing cartoon here and there Personally, I'm finding it harder and harder every day to be relativistic vis-a-vis the Islamic universe. We're talking about Denmark, and now the Norwegian (and I think Swedish as well) embassies here, not exactly what you'd call the epitomes of foreign aggression. I think the Muslim world is long overdue for its secular liberals (or as secular and liberal as you can be in this area) to start taking control. ------------------------------------------ He looked bigger when I couldn't see him. Anyone wanting to continue a discussion off board is welcome to email me - check bio for details.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 6:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JaynezTown: . . . very few times would I ever agree with FINN MAC CUMHAL - I think he's a right-wing NeoCon who constantly defends idiots like the baby-Bush handling of Katrina or rumsfeld..
Sunday, February 5, 2006 7:09 AM
FLETCH2
Sunday, February 5, 2006 7:56 AM
KHYRON
Quote:Originally posted by JaynezTown: These islamic nutbags are really pushing it this time, do we allow Taliban thugs to ban all Rap and Rock music all African-American dance because Muslims find it offensive, should we censor the Mona Lisa, Salvador Dalí pics, African art, Playboy magazine do we burn Mark Twain books, Arthur C Clark novels, burn Margaret Mitchell's books because some Afghan radical doesn't like its content.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 8:04 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Sunday, February 5, 2006 8:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SevenPercent: It's not the fact that it's a mildly amusing cartoon, it's the fact that it's a picture of the prophet Mohammed, which is a major no-no to their religion (on a level with defacing the Koran). Mohammed is not allowed to be pictured, due to rules about icons and worshipping graven images.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 9:05 AM
Sunday, February 5, 2006 9:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: As for Islamic democracy... Be careful what you wish for. The Palestinians just had elections, which by all accounts I've seen are reputed to be fair and honest elections. And they voted for the more radical hate-Bush-hate-the-US-destroy-Israel side of the equation. The US isn't disputing the elections themselves, but now we don't want to have anything to do with those who were elected. So we want to give the power to the people, but when those people speak, we decide we don't like their answer, so we just won't talk to them. What is there that makes us think that a free and democratic Iraq won't do the same thing? Iran also had recent elections, and we in the West apparently aren't so crazy about their outcome, either. We *say* we want democracy in the Middle East, but what we really want is a "puppet democracy", a government led by those of our own choosing. That really hasn't worked out very well for us, historically speaking. It's led to things like Saddam Hussein, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Moammar Qaddafi, Ferdinand Marcos, and Manuel Noriega, not to mention Fidel Castro. All of them were either installed by the US, supported by the US, or direct backlash results of US meddling.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 10:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Khyron: Not really.
Quote:It's a matter of interpretation, I guess, but definitely not on the level of defacing the Koran, but I guess it does deface Islamic tradition and what some people believe is in the book.
Quote:To attempt such a thing is seen as an insult to Allah. The same is believed to apply to Muhammad.
Quote:Islam considers any image of the prophet blasphemous.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 10:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SevenPercent: Quote:Originally posted by Khyron: Not really. Yes, really.
Quote: Quote:It's a matter of interpretation, I guess, but definitely not on the level of defacing the Koran, but I guess it does deface Islamic tradition and what some people believe is in the book. ... As your linked article itself states, Quote:To attempt such a thing is seen as an insult to Allah. The same is believed to apply to Muhammad.
Quote: What sets this apart from us is this group doesn't just get offended and huffy at things that are blasphemous, they start burning things down. As with idiots in any major religion, interpretation lies at the heart of the problem.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Khyron: No, still not really. What my "not really" was referring to was your statement that it defaces the Koran, which it doesn't, at least not directly.
Quote:Yes, exactly. So our opinions on the matter aren't that different, huh?
Quote:Just wanted to point out the difference between offending the Koran itself and offending the belief built up around it, I wasn't disagreeing with your overall point.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:58 PM
CITIZEN
Quote:Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal: I don’t think that is true. We want democracy in the Middle East. The fallacy here is the notion that we must like every country that is a democracy. No one is suggesting that the people of Iraq must put a US friendly leader into office in order for democracy to work in the Middle East, or that democracy will necessarily lead to a US-friendly culture. Democracy will work in favor of US policy because democratic countries are more stable then quasi-feudal totalitarian theocratic or socialist states. A truly democratic Palestine, even if it results in putting Hamas in power, is a victory for the US. In the long run, a democratic Middle East will put the power into the majority of moderate Muslims and marginalize the radicals who hold the Middle East hostage through threats of violence and acts of mob rule.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 1:20 PM
Sunday, February 5, 2006 2:50 PM
CHRISISALL
Sunday, February 5, 2006 3:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SevenPercent: I never said depicting Mohammed in the cartoon was defacing the Koran; look at my OP. I said some Islamists put it on the same level as defacing the Koran (ie, blasphemy against Islam). On this, it's still a 'yes, really,' otherwise they might have stayed indoors with the gas and matches this time.
Sunday, February 5, 2006 3:47 PM
DREAMTROVE
Monday, February 6, 2006 6:14 AM
RIVER6213
Monday, February 6, 2006 6:38 AM
AGENTROUKA
Monday, February 6, 2006 9:37 AM
JAYTEE
Monday, February 6, 2006 10:23 AM
Monday, February 6, 2006 10:27 AM
Monday, February 6, 2006 1:00 PM
CANTONMUDDER
Monday, February 6, 2006 1:09 PM
Quote:You all make me sick.
Monday, February 6, 2006 2:16 PM
Monday, February 6, 2006 2:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CantonMudder: In case some of you forgot, if you roll the clock back for just a few hundred years, you will find that Christians were doing a lot of the same things as these modern day Muslims. The killings, the torture, and the murders were all done in the name of Jesus, our lord and savior. Anyone remember the Inquisition? If somehow those Christians back then were provided with modern day weapons and communications, you would have seen a level of killing and murdering by those Christians that would have made the angels weep. Before you point the finger at the Muslims in this modern day and say how barbaric, cruel, and mean they are, or how immature they are acting, crack open a history book an enlighten yourself to the misery, and suffering the Christians of the past had bestowed to the world as a whole. I personally believe that the western world operates on a double standard mindset and it makes me want to vomit. You all make me sick.
Monday, February 6, 2006 3:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal: Quote:Originally posted by CantonMudder: Before you point the finger at the Muslims in this modern day and say how barbaric, cruel, and mean they are, or how immature they are acting, crack open a history book an enlighten yourself to the misery, and suffering the Christians of the past had bestowed to the world as a whole. No one forgot. This is your imagination. Not a single person in this thread has argued that Medieval Christians were any better. Maybe you should crack open a history book. Because Medieval Christendom was a bloody place for Christians who rioted. Are you suggesting that Muslims who react in a Medieval manner should be treated differently then Medieval Christians? Because that would be a double standard.
Quote:Originally posted by CantonMudder: Before you point the finger at the Muslims in this modern day and say how barbaric, cruel, and mean they are, or how immature they are acting, crack open a history book an enlighten yourself to the misery, and suffering the Christians of the past had bestowed to the world as a whole.
Monday, February 6, 2006 4:08 PM
WALKERHOUND
Quote:I don't know why the Muslims are protesting in the streets. It would be best to play the childish, wests game by firing back with the defiling of their religious heros.
Monday, February 6, 2006 4:27 PM
Monday, February 6, 2006 4:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SevenPercent: We're talking about Denmark, and now the Norwegian (and I think Swedish as well) embassies here, not exactly what you'd call the epitomes of foreign aggression.
Monday, February 6, 2006 4:48 PM
Monday, February 6, 2006 4:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: We express justified disgust with they way they treat women, but in the West women have had the vote for less than 100 years, equal rights for maybe half that.
Monday, February 6, 2006 4:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: Oh and Swiss army knives come from Switzerland, a little land locked country between Austria, Italy, Germany and France.
Monday, February 6, 2006 5:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Okay, I f***ed up concentrating on the (almost) funny.
Monday, February 6, 2006 5:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: We expect the Muslim world to accept the principles of our enlightenment, a cultural event they did not share. We express justified disgust with they way they treat women, but in the West women have had the vote for less than 100 years, equal rights for maybe half that. There are still fringe christian groups with very bad reputations for their treatment of women.
Quote:Originally posted by Khyron: But while we're at it, the Scandinavian countries aren't really famous for their cheese either, at least not inside Europe.
Monday, February 6, 2006 9:34 PM
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: I'm talking about some of the reasons why these folks are being antisocial, you are talking about why they aren't being punished for it. I'm not sure that's even the same question.
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:48 AM
TAISHAN
Quote:Originally posted by SevenPercent: It's not the fact that it's a mildly amusing cartoon, it's the fact that it's a picture of the prophet Mohammed, which is a major no-no to their religion (on a level with defacing the Koran). Mohammed is not allowed to be pictured, due to rules about icons and worshipping graven images. This is a huge challenge to their beliefs, a slap in the face, at least as they see it. They were first insulted, then every newspaper in the West kept printing the cartoon, wondering what the fuss was about. Each printing added insult upon insult, in their eyes.
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 7:15 AM
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 7:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by TaiShan: It may be a cartoon but it is also an insult to their religion. This would be no different than Christians protesting against offensive images of God or Jesus, or if similar was to occur with Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 7:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: What I'm saying is that 600 odd years ago at a comparative point in our cultural development we did what our political and religious masters wanted with the same blind trust. We burned people for heracy, witchcraft and any number of supposed religious sins. It took us a long time and a lot of blood to stop killing folk just because the leaders of our religion told us to. With that in mind seems somewhat bizarre to expect Muslims to show our current levels of tolerance and political cynicism when they are still a medieval society. I understand why they get upset, I think from their point of view their anger is justified and I don't think it fair to say they should "shrug it off." However I doubt many of these folks would be so angry as to take to the streets burning buildings, that has the hallmarks of a staged event and like I said shows the involvement of some Arab governments. So to sum up, I think they have a right to be upset, they have a right to peacefull protest and to avoid Danish goods, they dont have a right to burn buildings over it.
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 7:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fletch2: So to sum up, I think they have a right to be upset, they have a right to peacefull protest and to avoid Danish goods, they dont have a right to burn buildings over it.
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 7:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by TaiShan: It may be a cartoon but it is also an insult to their religion. This would be no different than Christians protesting against offensive images of God or Jesus, or if similar was to occur with Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. A man goes up to another man and asks "Is your mother a whore?" In answer to the question, the first man beats and pummels the asker relentlessly. On the ground, bloody and broken, the man looks up and asks "Is that a 'yes'?" If you react as an animal to a cartoon that depicts you as an animal, what does that really say? "Sticks and stones, love." Had it Chrisisall
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 7:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by TaiShan: I agreed with everything except the government part. On the contrary, it is entirely possible that the people took to the streets, burning buildings on their own. Just like when riots break out among people, in their fervor anythign can happen.
Tuesday, February 7, 2006 7:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Taishan: I agreed with everything except the government part. On the contrary, it is entirely possible that the people took to the streets, burning buildings on their own. Just like when riots break out among people, in their fervor anythign can happen.
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