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MR. CHENEY DID NOT LIE!

POSTED BY: RUXTON
UPDATED: Thursday, February 23, 2006 17:03
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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:05 PM

RUXTON


As some of you know, I test guns for a living and have done so for a great many years. I took exception to the claims made online recently (and discussed at length in various strings here on FFF.net) by a pack of so-called experts (Alex Jones/Infowars), who said Cheney lied. In fact, the testers lied.

There are currently many rumors and claims by "experts" circulating on the Internet that say Mr. Cheney lied about the range at which he shot Mr. Whittington. I do not particularly like Mr. Cheney, but have determined he was telling the truth:

MY OWN TESTS:
I just now, 3:45 PM, 2/19/06, performed the following tests. I used thin plastic gallon jugs full of water. On my range, at a measured 30 yards, I shot one jug with #7-1/2 shot, and the jug nearly exploded. Many shot pellets (about 50) remained inside the jug. Many more had gone through a full six inches of cold water and penetrated the far side of the jug.

Not content, I filled another plastic water jug with water at about 100 degrees, the approximate temperature of a man. I then covered the jug with three layers of cotton clothing. This time I used a precisely measured charge of 3/4-ounces of #7-1/2 shot, and hit this second jug from a measured 30 yards (not feet!). The jug was again fully penetrated several times, the pellets having traversed three layers of cotton clothing, 0.015" of plastic, six inches of water, and another 0.015" of plastic.

Thirty-seven (37) pellets remained inside of the jug, and the far side of the jug -- six inches of through-water penetration -- was very badly damaged from the shot where it didn't penetrate the last layer of plastic. In case readers don't know, water penetration is a VERY tough test of terminal ballistics, and far better than the cardboard" or rubber dummies or dead chickens (frozen?) used in the so-called experts' test.

The bottom line here is there is absolutely no reason to doubt what Mr. Cheney said. He shot Mr. Whittington at about 30 yards. There is neither controversy nor coverup here. Ballistics don't lie.
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As my doctor/hunter friend (who was entirely correct in his assessment of the potential damage that could be done by #7-1/2 pellets at 30 yards, and which I doubted until today) put it, if Whittington had caught the full charge, or had been much closer to Cheney, he'd be dead. As it is, he's lucky to be alive.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:08 PM

BITTERBIERCE


Immediately file under "Politics- Jesus, Who Cares?"

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:17 PM

RUXTON


BitterBierce:
A whole heluva lot of people who don't like LIES from government, or from fools online.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:23 PM

CHRISISALL


Thanks, Ruxton.
I like putting to rest a conspiracy theory just as much as exposing one.
In the end, all we want are answers, right?

But his utimate aim of world domination still bothers me Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:27 PM

RUXTON


Hey, Chris, thanks for the justification. FWIW, his plans for world domination also bother me.

Immensely!

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:42 PM

BITTERBIERCE


Or maybe some of us write about politics for a living like we're real adults with actual intellects and don't care to see painfully specious and hamhanded amateurish "yee-ha for our side" net tripe in a place that should be above it. I mean really, who gives a flying frig what anyone on a Firefly forum thinks about Bushitler or Michael Moron?

Here is the net rule: you're never going to say anything original about politics. You're never going to have a thought all your own, you're just going to regurgitate crap from your own side. You'll never enlighten anyone, or even inform them. Ever.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:43 PM

CHRISISALL


Ooops! I just realized; this is on the General Discussions board- we're gonna catch flack for gettin' all political and such...

Many prefer the Alliance to remain just a ficticious thing...

Bad Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:47 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BitterBierce:
You'll never enlighten anyone, or even inform them. Ever.

Untrue, my fellow Browncoat!
I have been enlightened on many occasions on the RWED; I have become much more moderate and conservative (the good way) because of them, I dare say.

Credit where it's due Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:50 PM

BITTERBIERCE


I think that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:56 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BitterBierce:
I think that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

What do you mean, "funny"?
Funny like a clown? You think I'm funny??!!

*stops his Joe Pesci impression*

Really though, why funny? That I could learn something new and incorporate it into my ideas and perceptions from a bunch of silly threads?

Or is it the conservative (the good way) that's makin' you laugh?

Call it my need to know Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:00 PM

CITIZEN


I like the bit where BitterBierce said Ruxton was a Bush administration supporter, that was the funniest bit.



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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:09 PM

RUXTON


Hey, Citizen,, How ya doin? Yep, I'm still laughing about what you said, amigo.

No matter how hard we try, some folks, even self-styled writers, have exactly no ability to read, eh?

Sorry to all if I posted this in the wrong place. Webmasters please feel free to move this, if necessary or possible, to the right place.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:13 PM

LISSA


Quote:

Originally posted by BitterBierce:

Here is the net rule: you're never going to say anything original about politics. You're never going to have a thought all your own, you're just going to regurgitate crap from your own side. You'll never enlighten anyone, or even inform them. Ever.



um...he did his own test.

~lissa, retired spwhore

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:18 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Ruxton:
Yep, I'm still laughing about what you said, amigo.


You think Citizen's funny? What, like a clown??!!

Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:20 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by lissa:
um...he did his own test.


OMG, lissa, I can't breath, LOL!!!!!

Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:23 PM

BITTERBIERCE


"I like the bit where BitterBierce said Ruxton was a Bush administration supporter, that was the funniest bit."

Did reading comprehension skills go down while I was away? If you could read my email and understand all them confusin' "words", you'd notice I made no mention at all of my politics or the politics of the letter or anyone elses. You don't have a clue about any opinion I have about politics, and I'm keeping it that way. I kept from mentioning any one person's politics or what they said because that's my point. Make sure you keep the politics in the little politics ghetto below and out of the general converaation, k? Firefly people up here, blowhards below. Simple enough for you, cupcake?

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:25 PM

CITIZEN


Not bad Ruxton, you?

Where you been at?



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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BitterBierce:
Make sure you keep the politics in the little politics ghetto below and out of the general converaation, k?

Strange to mention reading comprehension while spelling conversation 'converaation'...
*ducks and covers*

Just funnin' Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:33 PM

CITIZEN


BB:
They're posts, not e-mail. E-mail is, in point of fact, an entirely different thing.

Never said nothing about your politics though now did I .

Maybe you should check your own reading comprehension level, no?

But erm, considering what Ruxton posted supported Cheney, and he's a member of the Bush administration, and you said that Ruxton was quoting "his sides" rhetoric, then, really, you were making a statement as too Ruxtons political leanings, nes pas?

Yep, it was posted in the wrong place, yet your previous posts didn't alluded too that, did they. Merely a "this shouldn't be posted here” would have sufficed, no?

Simple enough for ya sweetpea?

Also, it's hamfisted CitizenIsAmused



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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:11 PM

BITTERBIERCE


"But erm, considering what Ruxton posted supported Cheney, and he's a member of the Bush administration, and you said that Ruxton was quoting "his sides" rhetoric, then, really, you were making a statement as too Ruxtons political leanings, nes pas?"

No and that's a stupid thing to say. In logic it's called a "non-sequitur", which in latin means "it does not follow". It doesn't follow that because I want politics out of here that I care that it's HIS politics. You MADE IT UP IN YOUR MIND AND THEN ASCRIBED IT TO ME. I didn't even bother reading his post because it's all MEGO. I neither made a post regarding ruxie or ruxo or whatever his name is, and I don't care.

One of the most annoying trends in the net is that 98% of posters think the only interesting political question one can ask is "what side are you on?". Ohhhh people think that's so clever. And people just like you read fucking tea leaves to discern just what MY INCREDIBLE BIAS IS!!!! I said nothing about Ruxton or even implying he was Republican and the reason you're not quoting me to prove I did is because you can't. You made it up out of thin air.

Now if you'll forgive me, I'm bowing out because, to quote mal, "sermons make me sleepy".


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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Also, it's hamfisted CitizenIsAmused


Ahhh, Citizen, always ready to take the "I'm-so-serious" right off at the knees.

You're a force to reckoned with....

Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:23 PM

CARTOON


Thanks for the interesting post on your test, Ruxton -- at least for the sakes of those of us who don't already know everything there is to know about everything, as some posters obviously seem to (grammatically edited as requested).


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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:26 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BitterBierce:


One of the most annoying trends in the net is that 98% of posters think the only interesting political question one can ask is "what side are you on?". Ohhhh people think that's so clever.


Actually it's 72%.

And BB, language! There's kids on these here boards!
Tsk, tsk.

It needed one more nail Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by cartoon:
as some posters obviously seem to do.


Grammatically, it would work better to have 'to' be the last word in you sentance.

Knows everything Chrisisall
*havin' entirely TOO much fun today*

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:39 PM

RUXTON


Citizen, you said:
Not bad Ruxton, you?
Where you been at?

Been busy with work. Buried one of my animal friends (ferret) last October and have not yet recovered. Been lurking, with occasional comments here and there. Currently freezing out here. Fifteen below t'other night. Makes it tough to get out and test stuff, but I just had it up to here with all the B/S about this shooting-distance issue, so did some serious testing today. Hence my apparently misplaced post.

Yourself?


BitterBierce: Nothing you posted, from your first insult to the last, made the slightest bit of sense. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know this claim that Cheney lied was a bitter controversy this last week. I proved beyond any doubt that the folks at Infowars screwed up big time, and I did it because their screwups were being taken as GOSPEL all over the internet, including on this forum. As I said, I don't like liars. Neither do I like those who make lots of noise but have NOTHING TO SAY.

So, goodbye, BB, and GOOD RIDDANCE!

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:42 PM

BITTERBIERCE


Ok thanks. Bye bye now *waves*.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:43 PM

RUXTON


Hey, 'Toon,
Thank you for the kind words. My pleasure.

Oh, FWIW, Chrisisall was wrong. Your sentence should end in "do do."


Or perhaps "doo doo."



I think....

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:25 PM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by Ruxton:
Or perhaps "doo doo."



No doubt that certain folks would say that all of my posts entirely consist of "doo doo".

You're welcomed.



P.S. I corrected the post, but it still isn't correct, as English sentences are not supposed to end with prepositions. However, I'm too stupid and lazy to figure a way to make the statement work gramatically.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:33 PM

RUXTON


Cartoon, easy:

...as some posters apparently do.

Also, I think you could have left it entirely alone.

At any rate, I for one appreciate your participation.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by cartoon:


P.S. I corrected the post, but it still isn't correct, as English sentences are not supposed to end with prepositions.

All right, so I DON'T know everything...
Make it "...as do some of those posting here."

We learn by doing.

Imperfect, but highly amused Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:37 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Ruxton:


...as some posters apparently do.


That makes it sound as if we're all just large pictures on the wall...

Bein' sick is fun Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:40 PM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by cartoon:
as some posters obviously seem to do.


Grammatically, it would work better to have 'to' be the last word in you sentance.



And your post would work better if you wrote 'sentence' instead of 'sentance' .

"Also havin' a good ol' time" KhyronIsAll

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:


And your post would work better if you wrote 'sentence' instead of 'sentance' .


DAMN!
I hate bein' a fallable being!
No! I deny it! I SPELLED IT RIGHT- THE COMPUTER TRANSMITTED IT WRONG!!!!!
My son distracted me...oh, he's in bed...

Oh! Who can I blame...????

I did it, and I'll do it again Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:14 PM

RIVER6213


***River6213 quickly covers her mouth before she can say something mean***

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:24 PM

KHYRON


I just realised something: this is what RWED would be like if we didn't have AURaptor, Hero, dreamtrove and the pirates (i.e. the people who tend to put their foot in it in one way or the other)... we'd be reduced to fixing each other's grammar and spelling.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:37 PM

RUXTON


Khyron,

That's a most interesting point.

We "big pictures on the wall" would have little to do, other than wait and hope for the sequel, or the next TV assault by Master Whedon.

Personally, I'd like that just fine.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:10 PM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by Ruxton:
At any rate, I for one appreciate your participation.



You're welcomed. Apparently, I played a successful decoy, and misdirected the criticism toward grammatical analysis, and away from the initial subject of the post.

Just doing my job.

I'll expect a check in the mail for services rendered.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:46 PM

LISSA


i sort of love where this thread has gone:) so much more pleasant!

~typesallinlowercase lissa

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:17 PM

RUXTON


Mr. 'Toon, your check is in the mail.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:07 PM

RIGHTEOUS9



Its discouraging to see somebody so angry about others having a conversation, and its outright absurd to think that you can take the politics out of people and their discussions. Our politics go hand in hand with how we view our world...how we interpret it. They don't exist in a vacuum, and if you think that Serenity and Firefly themselves are A-political, then you've missed so much of the experience somehow, and need to watch them again.

To suggest that nobody in this chat room will ever say anything new or original, serves only to excuse yourself from ever having to learn anything from what is said.

But Hey, whatever makes you feel superior.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:24 PM

SINGATE


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
***River6213 quickly covers her mouth before she can say something mean***



Quit being a tease and unload with both barrels. Would be kinda fitting considering how this thread started.

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:38 PM

BITTERBIERCE


Spare me the lectures, preacher. I write about politics for a living, and I've taught prepratory rhetoric and debate. I believe in arguing more than you do. I also believe it has a place because it's by its nature contentious and I play hard. That's why I don't want it here. I like you folks, and you WILL get offended. Not me, I am nearly impossible to insult. It's you people. Get it?

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Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:56 PM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by BitterBierce:
"But erm, considering what Ruxton posted supported Cheney, and he's a member of the Bush administration, and you said that Ruxton was quoting "his sides" rhetoric, then, really, you were making a statement as too Ruxtons political leanings, nes pas?"

No and that's a stupid thing to say. In logic it's called a "non-sequitur", which in latin means "it does not follow". It doesn't follow that because I want politics out of here that I care that it's HIS politics. You MADE IT UP IN YOUR MIND AND THEN ASCRIBED IT TO ME. I didn't even bother reading his post because it's all MEGO. I neither made a post regarding ruxie or ruxo or whatever his name is, and I don't care.

One of the most annoying trends in the net is that 98% of posters think the only interesting political question one can ask is "what side are you on?". Ohhhh people think that's so clever. And people just like you read fucking tea leaves to discern just what MY INCREDIBLE BIAS IS!!!! I said nothing about Ruxton or even implying he was Republican and the reason you're not quoting me to prove I did is because you can't. You made it up out of thin air.

Now if you'll forgive me, I'm bowing out because, to quote mal, "sermons make me sleepy".


Ahh, so I can tell nothing about you from your posts, but you can tell everything there is too know about me from one of mine. Good too know; keep reading them magic crystal balls kid.

It's not really a stupid thing to say though, follows a logical course that's quite clear. You told Ruxton that he's spouting "his sides Rhetoric", your words. He was voicing an opinion that supported what was being said by the Bush Admin; therefore the logical conclusion is that you were asserting Ruxton is a Bush supporter. That or you were being a twat and trying to start a fight, I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt, won't happen again, sorry.

You know I still haven't even alluded to your own political biases though, have I. So to use your own bizarre attack: Quote me, punk, make my day. Like I said, never said anything about your bias that would be all your own little fantasy, good luck with that hon.

So, is this the level of discourse you foster in your "professional" writing when your talking about politics in an "adult" manner, huh? Can't say I've ever read anything like that, but I tend to steer clear of the tabloid media, ya know...

That and I don’t have access to your schools newsletter.

Also, when did anyone say "what side are you on"? Erm, I think you need your eyesight checked, 'cause ya know, you’re not reading THIS thread...

Literate, CitizenIsNot a hypocrite, know what I'm sayin' ?



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Monday, February 20, 2006 2:28 AM

BITTERBIERCE


"Ahh, so I can tell nothing about you from your posts"

There, just eleven words and you've already butchered reason and logic beyond all comprehension. You said I CLAIMED HE WAS A REPUBLICAN. You said, and I quote, "I like the bit where BitterBierce said Ruxton was a Bush administration supporter", which clearly means you've somehow managed to learn how to write english, but not read it.


"...but you can tell everything there is too know about me from one of mine"

Hardly anything, except that you're young and a little slow on the uptake. Hey, maybe you're a great philanthropist, who knows. I don't really know if you're stupid, just that you say very stupid things with some regularity and you're more excitable than a virgin at the Playboy mansion.


"It's not really a stupid thing to say though"

Actually, it is. You made a claim that no one would make if they could read. It's right above.
There's nothing to it. Incredibly simple. When other people are in a hole, they stop digging. Not you!


"....follows a logical course that's quite clear. You told Ruxton that he's spouting "his sides Rhetoric""

Fucking...so?

"He was voicing an opinion that supported what was being said by the Bush Admin; therefore the logical conclusion is that you were asserting Ruxton is a Bush supporter"

Listen son, in an argument people take sides. That's in an argument. It does not naturally imply a party. Basic reading comprehension. And I DID go back and read it now- it's bloviating shit on a boring topic.

"That or you were being a twat and trying to start a fight"

Actually he was, picking a political fight, and I was trying to avoid it. I didn't make a SINGLE JUDGEMENT about the content of his politics. I still don't. Just please, elsewhere. Keep it in that politics ghetto.


"I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt, won't happen again, sorry."

Couldn't give a flying shit what you do. I'm a big boy, words never hurt me.

"You know I still haven't even alluded to your own political biases though, have I"

So what?


"So to use your own bizarre attack: Quote me, punk, make my day"

Uhm, ok. "More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!" I don't know if it's your quote or anything, but it's half cute. There, I quoted you.

"Like I said, never said anything about your bias that would be all your own little fantasy, good luck with that hon."

You missed the point of that. I wasn't referring to you, it was a general bitch. I tend to wander off people when they bore me. I suppose that I could understand, but the rest was purely dim.

"So, is this the level of discourse you foster in your "professional" writing when your blah blah"

Yeah yeah, standard boilerplate, I get it- "I rock and BB stinks, woo!". Say, I hear that Firefly show is good. You like?


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Monday, February 20, 2006 3:39 AM

CITIZEN


In my experience the one who first starts throwing personal insults about has already lost...
Quote:

Every post by BitterBierce on this thread:
Blah blah blah you're an illiterate idiot blah blah blah I'm not trying to start a fight blah blah blah you're an idiot blah blah blah can't read blah blah blah


Nope, avoiding a fight is keeping away from it, simple see
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Originally posted by BitterBierce:
Hardly anything, except that you're young and a little slow on the uptake.


Nope, you know I'm young from the fact that I posted my age in that other thread, I bet you thought stating that was going to rattle me, awww, bless that’s sweet. As for slow on the uptake, well I've worked out how to use the post formatting commands ...
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You missed the point of that. I wasn't referring to you, it was a general bitch. I tend to wander off people when they bore me. I suppose that I could understand, but the rest was purely dim.

Uhuh, sure, sure, I see that now, I still don't understand why you keep replying to me, none of my posts were directed at you at all, even when I mentioned your name, I meant this other BitterBierce, there’s a lot of you about...

Boring like a what? Boring like a self-styled political writer?
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Actually he was, picking a political fight, and I was trying to avoid it. I didn't make a SINGLE JUDGEMENT about the content of his politics. I still don't. Just please, elsewhere. Keep it in that politics ghetto.

The two worst groups on the net:
People who unnecessarily correct other peoples Grammar/spelling (when it's not just a gentle joke) and
People who start attacking other people for posting in the wrong place.

All you needed was "you posted this in the wrong place" but no, not you huh. You've got to flex your “big” muscles and spit the dummy.

You're elevated, only slightly, because you didn't say:
"U STEWPID N00B, DIS SHUD B IN RWED, GO B4 I GET U WIT MY L33T H4x0R SKILZ"
Which minus the text speak is about the mental level of all your posts in this thread .

You don't want a fight? Then prove it by clawing your Trollotypal (Note I'm not actually calling you a troll, you can tell cause I didn't say troll, but thought you might need it spelled out) flatulent arse back under the rock it came from and leave thread movement up to the mods.

Who made you so bitter anyway? Was it a girl? It was wasn’t it, she stole your blanky didn’t she, oh well, come sit down and tell me all about it and you’ll feel better, I promise.
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Uhm, ok. "More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!" I don't know if it's your quote or anything, but it's half cute. There, I quoted you.

It’s a bastardisation of a Red Dwarf quote that goes:
“Ding, another great idea from the people who bought you beer milkshakes!”
Anyway, that was funny, well done you’re starting to get the feel for it now! We just need to remove the obvious (steroid induced?) rage from the rest of your posts, chuck in a few more humours statements and we’ll be getting somewhere . It’s fine, you can practice on me if you like, let’s think and you obviously need some help in this area…

I know lets start off by ribbing me for my age, that’s always a killer!
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Say, I hear that Firefly show is good. You like?

Yeah, it's none too bad.

Still laughing, CitizenIsStill Amused .



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear

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Monday, February 20, 2006 3:56 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally postedby Ruxton:
Been busy with work. Buried one of my animal friends (ferret) last October and have not yet recovered. Been lurking, with occasional comments here and there. Currently freezing out here. Fifteen below t'other night. Makes it tough to get out and test stuff, but I just had it up to here with all the B/S about this shooting-distance issue, so did some serious testing today. Hence my apparently misplaced post.

Yourself?


Ahh, the usual, trying to spread some fact based truths and being attacked for my trouble *waves to Cartoon*. Can't say it's that cold here, I think the lowest it got during the day was -2 or -4.

Losing the Ferret is harsh, Seryn another poster here lost one of hers a few weeks back, she sounded pretty cut up, that and apparrently his mate seems a bit confused as to where he's gone. Personally had no problems with animals recently, I only keep one Snake these days and he's far too busy getting fat on Rats to die just yet.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear

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Monday, February 20, 2006 4:05 AM

JONUS


Maybe he didn't lie and maybe he did. Politicians backstab each other and the public in the ass. Here's to all of them shooting each other during hunting trips and dying in fiery plane crashes.

Attack me, not my opinion.

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Monday, February 20, 2006 4:37 AM

CITIZEN


You see BB, look what happens when you chill out and let the moderators do their job. Everything comes to those who wait, important life lesson there.

CitizenIsWise as the Buddah has forseen.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Monday, February 20, 2006 4:47 AM

BITTERBIERCE


As an intelligent woman once said, men don't become interesting till they're 30. You're definately proof of that.

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Monday, February 20, 2006 4:53 AM

FLETCH2


Ruxton: seriously cool. If you don't think the facts are right test them yourself. Like it! Nicely done!

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