Lib media bias on Spitzer case reporting. by AURaptor

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
why does it matter? every time someone does something stupid, should we make sure to mention every organization that person has ties with?

If it were relevant, they'd report it. I'm guessing the point you're getting at is that they make sure to mention the party when it's a republican? Personally I haven't noticed, because again, it's irrelevant.

I understand that one republican/democrat doing something doesn't mean all republicans/democrats do something, so what's the point in mentioning a party affiliation? I should hope a large majority agrees with me on that.

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It's to point out the that the media does this w/ intent. It might not be relevent to the story, but when it's constantly pointed out in the lead sentence that the offender is a Republican on one hand, and then never or very seldom even mentioned that the offender is a Democrat, don't think it doesn't impact on how folks see 1 political party as compared to another.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:57 AM

HKCAVALIER

Honestly, AURaptor, I think it has more to do with Spitzer being a chief executive than it does with his being a Democrat. When was the last time a major news agency referred to Bush as "Republican President Bush?" Or Arnold as "Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?" In our wacko bipartisan political system, the "D" or the "R" next to the name of a senator or congressperson is considered to be part of his/her job description.

All I've been hearing on the news, other than the amount of money Spitzer has paid for sex is his status as a superdelegate and the effect the scandal will have on Hillary's campaign.

HKCavalier

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:03 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Good analysis Auraptor. The media bias is, as usual, pretty blatant.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

So when Faux News and CNN report on things like the Mark Foley case, where a Republican Congressman was preying on little boys, and they identify said Congressman Foley as "Mark Foley (D-FLA)", then that PROVES a bias AGAINST liberals? Is that the case you're making? That if a network either doesn't identify one's party affiliation, or identifies the person as a member of the WRONG party, it absolutely, beyond a doubt proves their bias?

Cool. I always new Faux News and CNN were biased against Democrats. Now I've got "proof".

Oh, and the fact that CNN showed footage of Osama Bin Laden with the caption "Where's Obama?" doesn't really help their case...

From where I sit, Spitzer's been pretty universally derided as a fool, a buffoon, a moron, a whoremonger, and worse, no matter which network is doing the talking. Of course, if he were a Ruthuglican, the White House would be rallying 'round him saying he did nothing wrong, nothing unconstitutional, or they couldn't recall if anything wrong was done.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:13 AM

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Actually, I find a lot of gloat leaking through the reports of Spitzer's downfall. The financial and media world (Enron, WorldCom, Aldephia) which depends on scams and bullshit to hold it together could hardly be more pleased. Traders actually stopped trading yesterday just to watch him resign.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Honestly, AURaptor, I think it has more to do with Spitzer being a chief executive than it does with his being a Democrat. When was the last time a major news agency referred to Bush as "Republican President Bush?" Or Arnold as "Republican Governor Schwarzenegger?" In our wacko bipartisan political system, the "D" or the "R" next to the name of a senator or congressperson is considered to be part of his/her job description.

All I've been hearing on the news, other than the amount of money Spitzer has paid for sex is his status as a superdelegate and the effect the scandal will have on Hillary's campaign.

HKCavalier

That's just it, you WON'T hear anything like " Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger " unless it's a negative story. But with other Republicans and their scandals recently, that's all you DID hear is " Republican Senator Larry Craig, Republican Congressman Mark Foley... " .

And the game continues....

ABC Finally IDs Spitzer as Democrat, NBC Fails to for Third Night
By Brent Baker | March 13, 2008 - 02:10 ET

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For the third evening in a row Wednesday, the NBC Nightly News refused to identify Eliot Spitzer as a Democrat, but after ABC's World News failed to cite his party affiliation on Monday and Tuesday night when Elizabeth Vargas anchored, on Wednesday evening substitute anchor George Stephanopoulos finally properly tagged him: “The Democrat resigned today just two days after reports that he patronized a high-priced prostitution service.”

In contrast, fill-in NBC Nightly News anchor Ann Curry on Wednesday teased news about “New York's crusading Governor” and then led her broadcast sans any party identification:

Good evening. I'm Ann Curry, in for Brian Williams tonight. Today New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, who painted himself as a champion of ethics and moral conviction, resigned just two days after the bombshell news linking him to a prostitution ring. NBC's Mike Taibbi now joins us with more on this breathtaking fall from power. Mike?

Taibbi, just as on Monday and Tuesday, avoided informing viewers of Spitzer's party.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So when FOX News and CNN report on things like the Mark Foley case, where a Republican Congressman was preying on little boys, and they identify said Congressman Foley as "Mark Foley (D-FLA)", then that PROVES a bias AGAINST liberals? Is that the case you're making? That if a network either doesn't identify one's party affiliation, or identifies the person as a member of the WRONG party, it absolutely, beyond a doubt proves their bias?

Cool. I always new FOX News and CNN were biased against Democrats. Now I've got "proof".

Oh, and the fact that CNN showed footage of Osama Bin Laden with the caption "Where's Obama?" doesn't really help their case...

Fact is, Foley never was accused of even touching any pages, so your claim that he was " preying on little boys " , which conjures up images of pre-pubescent victims is completely unfounded and irrelevent to the issue. More importantly, it's one thing to flash an image or a graphic up on screen for a few seconds, accidentally have inserted 1 wrong letter, say a D instead of an R , under a photo and quite another to consistantly air your news programs where you routinely name 1 party's affiliation when something negative has happened and omitt the other's. The former is a simple mistake made by some off screen graphics assistant, where the latter involves active intent on the part of the reporters.

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From where I sit, Spitzer's been pretty universally derided as a fool, a buffoon, a moron, a whoremonger, and worse, no matter which network is doing the talking. Of course, if he were a Rebublican, the White House would be rallying 'round him saying he did nothing wrong, nothing unconstitutional, or they couldn't recall if anything wrong was done.

"We don't torture...hookers."

Wow, talk about your misplaced accusations! When did the W.H. ever rally around Foley or Craig? Oh, that's right - NEVER. Unlike the Dems, who literally scurried over to the White House, held hands in a circle and sang Kumbaya when Clinton was impeached. Bush has barely even come to the aid of Scooter Libby, and only commuted his sentence, not pardoning him. I guess if he were a member of a violent Puerto Rican gang, like FALN, and killed a few people, then Libby would be justified in getting a FULL pardon. Or maybe Hillary will pardon him if she gets elected. After all, it was Libby who once defended another of Bill's pardonees, Mark Rich.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:09 AM

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where you routinely name 1 party's affiliation when something negative has happened and omitt the other's

As said before, I don't know who often a governor's political affiliation is mentioned, as opposed to a Congressperson's, President's, or judge's. It's probable that Brent Baker and Fox are simply running at the mouth over nothing. Wouldn't be the first time! So some stats would be useful to validate their point. Are there any forthcoming? Or is this just another exercise in ridiculousness?

What I wanna know is... why did Spitzer pay so much money for a night with her??? My God, doesn't the man have any taste?
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Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:20 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Everybody's biased about something these days.

Some of the media is favorable to Libs, and some of the media is favorable to Cons.

I see it as :

Big 3 networks, CNN, Newspapers...favorable to Libs
Talk radio, Fox...favorable to Cons

Dems have the advantage, but so what! Repubs inherently are held to a higher standard, because that's their own belief system in play. They appear to be much more hypocritical than Dems in the same situation. So when they fall from grace, it's a harder fall than when a Dem/Lib messes up. Spitzer is the first Dem I've seen in a very long time actually stand up and admit his guilt, and then do the right thing by resigning. Too bad Senator Craig couldn't have shown at least that amount of dignity in his scandal. Now it's time for Jefferson to do the same...stop fighting, just admit what you did and resign for the greater good. You too Mr. Vitter, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Frank, etc. And for the rest of them.....HEY DUDES...there is no privacy anywhere anymore...wake up!....you WILL be caught. So instead of spending your energy & resources to get laid or to get rich or both, start doing what you were elected to do.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:34 AM

STORYMARK

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It's to point out the that the media does this w/ intent.

Kinda like how when Republicans get in trouble, FOXNews lists them as Democrats.

Oh, I see you touched on that alread. It's always an accident. Sure.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:37 AM

STORYMARK

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Unlike the Dems, who literally scurried over to the White House, held hands in a circle and sang Kumbaya when Clinton was impeached.

Uh, in case no one has ever told you - the word "literally" doesn't mean "what AU likes to imagine".

Just FYI, for your future bullshit ramblings.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:38 AM

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SignyM wrote:
Thursday, March 13, 2008 09:09

What I wanna know is... why did Spitzer pay so much money for a night with her??? My God, doesn't the man have any taste?

Aside from the man's personal preference, she's got a kickin' bod.

And at 22, she's less than 1/2 his age. Would you expect better for that much $$? Perhaps, but she's far and away hotter than some buxom White House intern.

The number of articles written by various sources should be all the evidence you need that it's not , as you claim, simply Brent Baker and Fox "running at the mouth" .

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:28 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact is, Foley never was accused of even touching any pages, so your claim that he was " preying on little boys " , which conjures up images of pre-pubescent victims is completely unfounded and irrelevent to the issue.

Oh, so you're okay with soliciting sex from young boys as long as no one can prove you actually touched them? You say it "conjures up images of pre-pubescent vitims" - answer this: WERE THE PAGES IN QUESTION UNDER AGE OR NOT? Seems like you have a soft spot for pedophiles - at least as long as they're in the right party...

Has Spitzer been charged with any crime? In your book, is it more okay to have sex with underage boys than it is to pay a consenting female for sex?

Mike

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:50 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact is, Foley never was accused of even touching any pages, so your claim that he was " preying on little boys " , which conjures up images of pre-pubescent victims is completely unfounded and irrelevent to the issue.

Oh, so you're okay with soliciting sex from young boys as long as no one can prove you actually touched them? You say it "conjures up images of pre-pubescent vitims" - answer this: WERE THE PAGES IN QUESTION UNDER AGE OR NOT? Seems like you have a soft spot for pedophiles - at least as long as they're in the right party...

Has Spitzer been charged with any crime? In your book, is it more okay to have sex with underage boys than it is to pay a consenting female for sex?

Mike

There's no evidence Foley ever had any contact w/ any of the pages, and rightfully so, he steps down. Unlike the Democrat Gerry Studds, who not only had an affair w/ a 17 yr old male page, he refused to resign and got RE-ELECTED! Though he DID get censured, for what's that is worth. So shut the hell up when you're accusing ME of what I approve of and who has the soft spot for pediphiles. It's CLEARLY the Left wing, who associates themselves w/ the likes of NAMBLA. You'll always find a NAMBLA rally for Democrats, but NEVER will you find them ever supporting a Republican, and for good reason. You must be ok w/ a Congressman hitting on and molesting a 17 yr old, but not a 16 yr old ? Both are under 18, the age a person can vote, join the military , etc...but you must be ok w/ the whole man on boy thing, huh? Seems so.

At least Foley did the right thing and stepped down from his office. Can't say the same for Gerry Studds.

Now that I've made you look silly, again, we can end this sad attempt on your part to divert attention away from the main point of this thread, that's the Left wing media bias.

Has Spitzer been charged? A stupid question. He's not been charged YET, as he's trying to cut a deal. Of course, you probably think he resigned simply because he's got too much money and doesn't NEED to fight the allegation of a Federal case.
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Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:34 PM

AVENGINGWATCHER

AUrator, I hate to bring up the truth of the matter, but the truth is that there is NO liberal media bias. Now I'm not saying that certain broadcasters do not lean one way or another, but the stations themselves are actually almost all Republican controlled as far as ownership goes, even PBS is helmed by a Republican these days. As for taking party affiliation out of the story, the reason you would do that as a news organization is that during election cycles it is not appropriate to state party affiliation for either side as it can be construed as bias for or against someone. I could give you sites that would back up my claims or facts such as the liberal media myth started from one article back in the 1970's and then was reported as corrected the in next study by the same group. I could bring up the fact that Republicans are on the airwaves far more than democrats numbers wise or the fact that coverage of any misgivings of Bush were suppressed by the media for a long time until the public opinion swayed against him. However you'll completely disavow anything I say because you found one thing that you feel proves a liberal bias and run with it, just like Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of the angry hate media tells you to do.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:00 PM

FREMDFIRMA

And let's explode yet another of his faery tales.
http://dfa.meetup.com/boards/thread/2075382
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/

And those are the SHORT lists.
By comparison.
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-41876
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980959/posts

And to get even that many Dems you have to dredge all the way back to 1976.

And note that the sources for the dem lists, before you even dare cry liberal bias, are both from hardcase right-wing sites - and that is all they could find in spite of serious digging.

I told you it was around a 12-to-1 ratio if you split it by party, and even one hour of any kind of research will prove that.

Now, also as I said before, the why of it I couldn't tell you, but if you wanna label one of em the freak-friendly party, better start with the one having most of the freaks in it.

Yours.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:22 PM

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And let's explode yet another of his faery tales.

LOL

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:38 PM

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avenging - sorry, but you're living in denial. This isn't " one thing " which I've found, and am now running with...it's simply more of the same. Foley was identified as a Republican in every broadcast,contrary to your comment,...

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" As for taking party affiliation out of the story, the reason you would do that as a news organization is that during election cycles it is not appropriate to state party affiliation for either side as it can be construed as bias for or against someone.".

The Foley case broke in late September, in '06. Just a little over a month before the election. Can you tell me why it was ok to constantly repeat HIS party affiliation, on the eve of the '06 election, and yet it was barely brought up in Spitzers story, even though he was just elected into office a little over a year ago ? Spitzer wasn't up for re-election any time soon.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:14 PM

AVENGINGWATCHER

Auraptor, I didn't say they followed it all the time, however it is considered etiquette. Also Foley was charged with a shall we say, more newsworthy offense. Americans for the majority don't care about who the governor of New York is doing, as you'll see most of the attention has quickly focused on the call girl because she is white and attractive. (The media is extraordinarily racist)However, like I said , there is no substantial proof that the media has a liberal bias. Trust me, try being a liberal trying to get into television and tell me how it works out. (Not well, they always want to send you to war zones) Like I said though, the stations themselves are all conservative leaning or at best middle ground. That's why there's no stink about our government ordering us to all have tracking chips implanted into our IDs which would have our social security number that would then be broadcast to anyone with a RFID reader, nor has there been any real info about the torture that continues to go on in Guatanimo and is Sanctioned by our government. Auraptor, I respect your opinion, but that is unfortunately all it is. Did Spitzer do a bad thing, yup. Should he be prosecuted, yup. Party affiliation though is just an imaginary idea meant to keep us from talking about actual issues, like securing our borders, which neither party has done, taking care of our elderly, which neither party has done, taking care of our soldiers, which neither party has done. So I think we have enough things we agree that need to get fixed and instead of fighting uselessly to a standstill over things we can't resolve, we can take care of the things we agree on first and bicker about the things we don't later.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 3:07 AM

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Like I said though, the stations themselves are all conservative leaning or at best middle ground. That's why there's no stink about our government ordering us to all have tracking chips implanted into our IDs which would have our social security number that would then be broadcast to anyone with a RFID reader, nor has there been any real info about the torture that continues to go on in Guatanimo and is Sanctioned by our government

As the late, great William F Buckley was fond of saying...

I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you actually believe what you just said "

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Friday, March 14, 2008 3:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

This is very interesting. I of course assumed that he was Republican, without even really giving it a second thought. It's just not a sex scandal unless it involves a Republican or a Catholic priest.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 3:36 AM

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The number of articles written by various sources should be all the evidence you need that it's not , as you claim, simply Brent Baker and Fox "running at the mouth"

Without the numbers backing you up I'm gonna just lump this into your The Economy's ON FIRE! bin.

In other words, bloviation.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 3:40 AM

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This is very interesting. I of course assumed that he was Republican, without even really giving it a second thought. It's just not a sex scandal unless it involves a Republican or a Catholic priest.

To be honest, I kinda thought Spitzer was an Republican too, at first. I knew the former NY Governor( Pataki )is a Republican, serving three terms, but I had not really followed NY politics in the last cycle. So when the reports came out that " NY Gov " was in some sort of trouble, and we weren't told which party he was from, my default mode was to think " GOP ", as that's who was in office for the last 3 terms.

Still, per your comment on sex scandals and Republicans...What's the party of Bill Clinton? What's the party of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom ?

Again, just more proof that while both parties have members who stray, its far more likely the GOP's affiliation will get mentioned than Democrats. Not because one is more guilty than the other, but because the meida has an overt agenda to get the public to associate 1 party more w/ crime and malfeasance than the other party.

That's simply the way it is.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 3:44 AM

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The number of articles written by various sources should be all the evidence you need that it's not , as you claim, simply Brent Baker and Fox "running at the mouth"
Without the numbers backing you up I'm gonna just lump this into your The Economy's ON FIRE! bin.

In other words, bloviation.

I posted them here, for you to read. Feel free to do some searching on your own, though. Unless that's too much trouble. Ignoring them isn't MY problem, it's a YOU problem.Besides, your gripe isn't w/ the facts of the story, but who wrote the story? 3 different sources, all poitning out the same thing, that major news networks omitted a key element of the story.....and you want to blame the ones who pointed out the fact ? Talk about denial !

Also,go back a few more months and yrs and dig up something more irrelevent and utterly out of context to make an even BIGGER ass of yourself, why don't ya?

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Friday, March 14, 2008 4:26 AM

FLETCH2

Articles on websites get written and rewritten all the time as new info is added. I'm not inclined to look for foul play when an editing mistake is just as likely. The Fox News miss identifying is the same kind of screw up it's just more amusing in their case because some folk will believe it's deliberate.

As long as he's not screwing me, I don't care who a politician is sleeping with.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 5:38 AM

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I posted them here, for you to read.

And I DID read them. Problem is, they're as short on facts as you are.

I have seen actual media analysis where people have looked at (say) the number of times each candidate was mentioned, the number of times they were mentioned favorably as opposed to negatively and so forth. But the article that you linked to don't do that. Backing bloviation with more bloviation is still... bloviation.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 5:50 AM

AVENGINGWATCHER

I actually was in the field briefly, so I actually had to study this, but I guess theres no opinion like home. Yes, that made absolutely no sense. So about the rest of my post Auraptor do you agree with the bottom half of what I said?

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Friday, March 14, 2008 6:38 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BTW, in this thread you will find a link to an article that does NOT mention the AZ governor's political affiliation. HORRORS! Must be liberal media bias!

www.fireflyfans.net/replymsg.asp?b=18&t=32932&m=592321

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Friday, March 14, 2008 6:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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As long as he's not screwing me, I don't care who a politician is sleeping with.

Amen, long as their all consenting adults, who gives a damn - sure as hell ain't me.

-F

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Friday, March 14, 2008 7:08 AM

JONGSSTRAW

What about his wife?
What about his children?
What about his staff?
What about his voting supporters?
What about having your Governor in a compromised position with prostitutes, and the nefarious charcters of that business....the mob, drugs, money laundering etc. for blackmail and coersion?

If you don't care, you should.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 7:56 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Next time the voters decide by vote on the Spitzer's marriage (or divorce) and any potential child custody, or the feelings of his staff, let me know.

Otherwise, it's no more a public matter than any affairs in your family.

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So, tell me about your most private indiscretions, fetishes, spending habits. I mean, since you say I SHOULD care.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 8:19 AM

ANTIMASON

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6ixStringJack-
This is very interesting. I of course assumed that he was Republican, without even really giving it a second thought. It's just not a sex scandal unless it involves a Republican or a Catholic priest.

good point.. it validates my position on the religion of secular humanism, its relation to socialism, and the liberal media bias that is born from it. its can only be a sex "Scandal" if you are doing some morally wrong. if you yourself define what is morally right and wrong, or their is a lack of consensus, then you are not held to the same (double)standard. since Republicans tend to be "christians"(if in name only), it stands to reason this segment would dominate the headlines. its a matter of hypocracy, and principle

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Friday, March 14, 2008 8:35 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I think there's a certain prurient interest in seeing the (self-)righteous fall - whether it's an anti-gay Senator gone trolling - like Craig; or an anti-pedophile Senator grooming an underage male page - like Foley.

I think the interest in party affiliation comes when there's a balance of power on the line, something Rap seems to have overlooked. It's a big part of every story - will Cunningham(R) be convicted ? And will a (D) or an (R) replace him ? Will DeLay(R) go as house majority leader ? And who will replace him ? In the case of Spitzer, the person who'll take over the job is also a democrat and nothing immediately changes.

Party affiliation WAS a big part of the topic when it came to Spitzer being a super-delegate and Clinton supporter - something Rap also seems to have overlooked.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 8:52 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Next time the voters decide by vote on the Spitzer's marriage (or divorce) and any potential child custody, or the feelings of his staff, let me know.

Otherwise, it's no more a public matter than any affairs in your family.

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So, tell me about your most private indiscretions, fetishes, spending habits. I mean, since you say I SHOULD care.

Rue, the pompous pinhead is back, and just as arrogantly obtuse as ever. What about the last part of my post? Mafia, Drugs, Money Laundering, Blackmail, Public Trust, illegal money transfers,,,etc etc ..You dont care about any of that...right? Unless it's a Republican right? You are full of shit.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 8:57 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What about his wife?
What about his children?
What about his staff?
What about his voting supporters?
What about having your Governor in a compromised position with prostitutes, and the nefarious charcters of that business....the mob, drugs, money laundering etc. for blackmail and coersion?

If you don't care, you should.

Based on the evidence.....

WHOAH!!!NOT GUILTY, DUDE!!!!!!

The hetero Chrisisall

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Friday, March 14, 2008 9:00 AM

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Nefarious characters ? The mob ? Drugs ? Money laundering ? Blackmail ?

When did that all happen ?

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Friday, March 14, 2008 9:20 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by rue:
Nefarious characters ? The mob ? Drugs ? Money laundering ? Blackmail ?

When did that all happen ?

Well, it was going to, like Saddam's massive WMD attack....

heeheeChrisisall

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Friday, March 14, 2008 10:25 AM

America loves a winner!

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I posted them here, for you to read.
And I DID read them. Problem is, they're as short on facts as you are.

I intentionally try to not post entire articles, because that's a waste of forum space on here, imo. If I don't offer a link to the entire article, I at least try to get the reporter's name or which source it was from. The article I gave wasn't about positive or negative mentions of names, it simply show that the party affiliation of Spitzer was left out, or underplayed, having been stuck in the 6th or 7th paragraph. Meanwhile, when it's a GOP candidate, that bit of info appeares in the headlines. Why are you figthing this ? It's not even an issue to debate over, it simply is a fact. My god, you're acing like a 6 yr old. Get over it already.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 10:32 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
As long as he's not screwing me, I don't care who a politician is sleeping with.

I know it matters not at all, but I heard Spitzer "may have" used campaign funds for his sexcapades. Why someone w/ that much $$ would need to commit fraud w/ his campaign funds is beyond me, but then I didn't write the laws. Nor did I attempt to prosecute them either, as Spitzer did.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 10:39 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by rue:
I think there's a certain prurient interest in seeing the (self-)righteous fall - whether it's an anti-gay Senator gone trolling - like Craig; or an anti-pedophile Senator grooming an underage male page - like Foley.

Or a former New York A.G., fiercely pursuing and breaking up a couple of prostitution rings, ...

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I think the interest in party affiliation comes when there's a balance of power on the line, something Rap seems to have overlooked. It's a big part of every story - will Cunningham(R) be convicted ? And will a (D) or an (R) replace him ? Will DeLay(R) go as house majority leader ? And who will replace him ? In the case of Spitzer, the person who'll take over the job is also a democrat and nothing immediately changes.

Party affiliation WAS a big part of the topic when it came to Spitzer being a super-delegate and Clinton supporter - something Rap also seems to have overlooked.

I was aware of that, but to be honest, I didn't want to expand the primary issue,that of media bias,to make it appear that I was " bashing " all Democrats. But it's a key point, or could become one ,down the road, if Hillary needs some vital delegates.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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Friday, March 14, 2008 12:16 PM

FLETCH2

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What about his wife?
What about his children?
What about his staff?
What about his voting supporters?

That's his affair (no pun intended) not mine. People's private lives are their private lives, as long as he runs a clean administration I honestly don't care. I don't vote for politicians on the basis of their homelife, if you do, if the portraits of the loyal political wife and the cute kiddies influence how you vote, that's your problem. In short, since I didn't elect him on the basis of his private life, why would that life concern me if it doesn't effect his work.

If I hired you to work for me, would you consider it fair if I fired you if you got divorced? Especially if it wasn't effecting your work?

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What about having your Governor in a compromised position with prostitutes, and the nefarious charcters of that business....the mob, drugs, money laundering etc. for blackmail and coersion?

If you don't care, you should.

If nobody else cared either then there would be no basis for blackmail. You can only blackmail someone if revealing their "secret" would be damaging to them. If nobody thought a politicians private life was that important it would make poor material for blackmail.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 12:20 PM

FLETCH2

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
As long as he's not screwing me, I don't care who a politician is sleeping with.

I know it matters not at all, but I heard Spitzer "may have" used campaign funds for his sexcapades. Why someone w/ that much $$ would need to commit fraud w/ his campaign funds is beyond me, but then I didn't write the laws. Nor did I attempt to prosecute them either, as Spitzer did.

"

Well if that proves to be the case then it's in the public interest. I have no interest in other people's private lives, what they do with other people's money is a different matter.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 12:35 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

'but I heard Spitzer "may have"'

Well, there you have it. Case closed. Done deal. No time for an investigation, charges (if any) or a trial. We want our facts and justice to be speedy, if nothing else.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 2:44 PM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

What about having your Governor in a compromised position with prostitutes, and the nefarious charcters of that business....the mob, drugs, money laundering etc. for blackmail and coersion?

If you don't care, you should.

If nobody else cared either then there would be no basis for blackmail. You can only blackmail someone if revealing their "secret" would be damaging to them. If nobody thought a politicians private life was that important it would make poor material for blackmail.

It's not necessarily true that if nobody cared there wouldn't be any reason to fear blackmail. Obliously many men would submit to blackmail to avoid having their families find out about their indiscretions. I don't think there will ever come a day when the wronged spouse won't care. Of course there are exceptions like Hillary Clinton. Even though she was aware of previous indiscretions on Bill's part, that didnt keep him from lying to the public and committing perjury in a court of law to cover it up. Any married politician that has an extramarital affair could be blackmailed if they don't have the personal integrity to accept the consequences of their actions. I hope Spitzer's decision to resign was because of a personal sense of honor, and not because the Feds have a corruption case against him.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 2:54 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

And now they've filed corruption charges ? Amazing how this just gets juicier by the hour. When's the hangin' ? Tonight ?

While the word 'corruption' was used in one article, looking further there are no 'corruption' charges even being considered, let alone filed. In fact, there have been no charges at all filed as of now.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 3:10 PM

KIRKULES

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And now they've filed corruption charges ? Amazing how this just gets juicier by the hour. When's the hangin' ? Tonight ?

While the word 'corruption' was used in one article, looking further there are no 'corruption' charges even being considered, let alone filed. In fact, there have been no charges at all filed as of now.

As usual my poor grammar has caused you to misunderstand me again. I meant that I sincerely hope that there was no corruption involved, not that I believe there was.

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Friday, March 14, 2008 3:16 PM