Initial testing of the 'Black Hole Machine' a success, by MrBlueSun

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Initial testing of the 'Black Hole Machine' a success,

POSTED BY: MRBLUESUN
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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:56 PM

Okay slightly apocalyptic title aside this is a real story and one that i'm surprised hasn't been raised here before.
At the CERN ( The European Organization for Nuclear Research) on the french-swiss border has for the past twenty years been building the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) in order to simulate and study the conditions present billionths of a second after the big bang.
The up side is they hope to learn more about how the universe formed and is constructed.
The downside is that there is a 3000,000-1 chance that it will go horribly wrong and create a black hole which will destroy the planet and most of the galaxy.
We have survived the first round of testing but apparently there are several more to come.
Just thought you should know

Factual News Story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7604293.stm

Comedic Take on Events (courtesy of 'Mock the Week'):

Thoughts or feelings, bearing in mind that it is by no means my intention to stir up blind panic or hysteria.

I may wear brown, but theres a little purple mixed in there too.

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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:24 PM

SIGMANUNKI

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Originally posted by MrBlueSun:

The downside is that there is a 3000,000-1 chance that it will go horribly wrong and create a black hole which will destroy the planet and most of the galaxy.

That's just so wrong it isn't funny. Instead of believing a bunch of sensationalist "journalists", you should have gone to the CERN website to actually be educated on the matter. As in, it's effectively been ruled out:

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1116656/

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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:51 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Originally posted by MrBlueSun:
Okay slightly apocalyptic title aside this is a real story and one that i'm surprised hasn't been raised here before.
At the CERN ( The European Organization for Nuclear Research) on the french-swiss border has for the past twenty years been building the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) in order to simulate and study the conditions present billionths of a second after the big bang...

Got bad news for 'em...They're too late !

If they wanted to study the conditions present billionths of a second after the Big Bang , they should have started
MUCH SOONER !

And , they shouldn't have taken 20 years to build their gadget !

I think the folk at the LHC have been too much into the THC...

French Scientist : " Eees zee blackhole machine working ? "

Swiss Scientist : " Yah , eets definitely Sucking ! "

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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:51 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Also, it's being discussed in another thread already - see "It's the end of the world..." thread.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:23 AM

MRBLUESUN

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Also, it's being discussed in another thread already - see "It's the end of the world..." thread.

Oops sorry didn't see that one. In that case please disregard this thread in favour of the one mentioned above.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

That's just so wrong it isn't funny. Instead of believing a bunch of sensationalist "journalists", you should have gone to the CERN website to actually be educated on the matter. As in, it's effectively been ruled out.

Y'know, i do realize that the actual chance of it happening is so close to zero that it doesn't even matter, which is why it was a joke for pity's sake. Did you not watch the comedic video? They more or less take the piss out of the black hole idea.
Maybe you just don't get english humour.

I may wear brown, but theres a little purple mixed in there too.

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Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

So, I do have to pay my quarterly taxes anyway?

Dammit.

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Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:01 AM

KWICKO

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So, I do have to pay my quarterly taxes anyway?

Well, if it cheers you up any, there's still about a one-in-a-trillion chance that you WON'T have to pay them...

And if the Earth is destroyed by this thing, will my homeowners' insurance still cover it? I mean, technically, it's not an "act of God" if it's caused by Man, right?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Saturday, November 7, 2009 8:56 AM

PARTICIPANT

Large Hadron Collider broken by bread dropped by passing bird

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/6514155/Large
-Hadron-Collider-broken-by-bread-dropped-by-passing-bird.html

The Large Hadron Collider’s woes have taken a faintly comic turn after the huge particle accelerator got broken by a piece of bread dropped by a passing bird.

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Saturday, November 7, 2009 11:34 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by participant:

Participant is really PirateNews?

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Saturday, November 7, 2009 2:36 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Didn't a bird shit on it and knock it out of commission?

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 4:12 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

The Large Hadron Collider was hit by a power failure on December 1 2009, shutting down the device and its associated websites, The Register reported.

"It appears that a failure occurred at 01:23 Swiss time this morning in an 18 000-volt power line at the Meyrin site above the mighty collider's subterranean circuit. This caused a power cut across the site, shutting down the main computer centre among other things and causing an abrupt cessation of operations," the report said.

The reported event occurred just a few days after, on November 30 2009, the Large Hadron Collider set a world record as the highest-energy particle accelerator.

The device accelerated its twin beams of protons to an energy of 1.18 TeV in the early hours of the morning, according to a statement on the LHC website on November 30.

This exceeds the previous world record of 0.98 TeV, which had been held by the US Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory’s Tevatron collider since 2001. It marks another important milestone on the road to first physics at the LHC in 2010.

"We are still coming to terms with just how smoothly the LHC commissioning is going," said CERN Director General Rolf Heuer, according to the LHC website.

"It is fantastic. However, we are continuing to take it step by step, and there is still a lot to do before we start physics in 2010. I’m keeping my champagne on ice until then."

The developments on November 30 came just 10 days after the LHC restart, demonstrating the excellent performance of the machine, the LHC media statement said.

The first beams were injected into the LHC on November 20.

Over the following days, the machine’s operators circulated beams around the ring alternately in one direction and then the other at the injection energy of 450 GeV, gradually increasing the beam lifetime to around 10 hours.

On November 23, two beams circulated together for the first time, and the four big LHC detectors recorded their first collision data.

"Last night’s achievement brings further confirmation that the LHC is progressing smoothly towards the objective of first physics early in 2010," the November 30 statement said.

"The world record energy was first broken yesterday evening (November 29), when beam 1 was accelerated from 450 GeV, reaching 1050 GeV (1.05 TeV) … Three hours later both LHC beams were successfully accelerated to 1.18 TeV, at 00:44, November 30."

"I was here 20 years ago when we switched on CERN’s last major particle accelerator, LEP," said Accelerators and Technology Director Steve Myers. "I thought that was a great machine to operate, but this is something else. What took us days or weeks with LEP, we’re doing in hours with the LHC. So far, it all augurs well for a great research programme."

Next on the schedule is a concentrated commissioning phase aimed at increasing the beam intensity before delivering good quantities of collision data to the experiments before Christmas, the November 30 statement said

"So far, all the LHC commissioning work has been carried out with a low intensity pilot beam," according to the statement.

"Higher intensity is needed to provide meaningful proton-proton collision rates. The current commissioning phase aims to make sure that these higher intensities can be safely handled and that stable conditions can be guaranteed for the experiments during collisions.

"This phase is estimated to take around a week, after which the LHC will be colliding beams for calibration purposes until the end of the year."

First physics at the LHC is scheduled for the first quarter of 2010, at a collision energy of 7 TeV (3.5 TeV per beam), the LHC site said.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 5:03 AM

BYTEMITE

Ooh, neat. I've been following the LHC story for a while, thanks for the update.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 5:55 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

I was remarking to my wife as we traveled for thanksgiving upon how it didn't seem as though we've all been pulled into a black hole yet.

I did however read some fanfic online where a writer came up with a seneraio where humans explore a new star system that contains a black hole orbiting a yellow sun at a distance of aprox 1AU. His idea was that this was all that was left of the intelligent race of beings that built their own LHC and made a rather horrifying discovery.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 6:02 AM

BYTEMITE

Do people understand the concept of "microscopic?"

The blackholes generated have infinitely large densities, like all blackholes, but the problem is they have infinitesimal masses, and therefore little to no actual gravitational pull. Mass = radius in a blackhole, and blackholes evaporate mass out of them over their lifespan. You're talking a lifespan of billionths of a second. This isn't nearly long enough to pull in any of the surrounding particles, let alone the entire goddamn earth.

Sorry, not directed at you BSCM, but people hear the word blackhole and seem to go apeshit. No. I'm sorry, but that doomsday scenario is not physically possible.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 8:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Participant is really PirateNews?

I've actually wondered that myself for some time now. Who knows?

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 8:48 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Niki2:
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Participant is really PirateNews?
I've actually wondered that myself for some time now. Who knows?

Well, in what would pass for "journalism" in PN's world, I've actually gotten not one, but TWO confirmations from each of them that this is in fact the case.

Of course, I've noticed that Participant's hate and crazy have been severely ramping up lately, and I've outed PN as nothing more than a prostitute who will post ANY link he's paid to post, so I expect he'll fade away and Participant's persona will take over completely over the next few months.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:02 AM

BYTEMITE

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Of course, I've noticed that Participant's hate and crazy have been severely ramping up lately, and I've outed PN as nothing more than a prostitute who will post ANY link he's paid to post, so I expect he'll fade away and Participant's persona will take over completely over the next few months.

I'm afraid that would require an old priest, a young priest, and some holy water.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 10:54 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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Of course, I've noticed that Participant's hate and crazy have been severely ramping up lately, and I've outed PN as nothing more than a prostitute who will post ANY link he's paid to post, so I expect he'll fade away and Participant's persona will take over completely over the next few months.

I'm afraid that would require an old priest, a young priest, and some holy water.

I bow to you, madam. You just made me laugh smoked almonds out my nose. Ouch.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:09 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

How do you think all the other black holes got started?

That's probably where the Big Bang came from too. Civilization throughout the universe lived in a utopian Universal Government, all animals living in harmony, lambs snuggling with lions.

Then some asshole in a lab pushed a button.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:16 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by piratenews:
How do you think all the other black holes got started?

That's probably where the Big Bang came from too. Civilization throughout the universe lived in a utopian Universal Government, all animals living in harmony, lambs snuggling with lions.

Then some asshole in a lab pushed a button.

I think that asshole is generally called "god" by most religious idiots.

As for how black holes get started? Put down your stupid bible and pick up a physics book.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:46 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

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Originally posted by piratenews:
How do you think all the other black holes got started?

For stellar mass singularities a rather large star underwent a supernova. Half of the stars material was ejected into interstellar space while the rest was compressed into an extremely tiny space. If there was less than a specific amount of mass to the star, nuclear forces remain sufficent to halt the collapse and a neutron star is born. If the mass is greater, then nothing prevents the collapse. A stellar mass BH is the result.

Supermassive BH objects are different animals and current theory places their births at near the beginning of the 'verse when "stuff" was collapsing towards other "stuff" in volumes of mass to huge to understand. The result were supermassive BH's around which other "stuff" orbited. Eventually these areas of space became proto-quasars, then quasars, then proto-galaxys, and finally galaxys as we understand them today. Our own Milky Way is meerly a collection of 500 billion stars, millions of dust/gas clouds, thousands of stellar-mass BHs and other misc material orbiting a supermassive BH serving as a common center.

Microholes are an entirely different subject and would obey rules of the QUANTUM which differ from rules realted to GRAVITY that govern the very large. It is emerging as one of the new paradoxes of our time (like the "light is a particle...no it's a wave" paradox) that microholes obey different rules. Suffice to say, there is no danger from a microhole.

I know PN wasn't being serious in his question, but I felt like explaining anyway.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:54 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Sorry, not directed at you BSCM, but people hear the word blackhole and seem to go apeshit.

I didn't take your post that way anyway. I myself was meerly remarking as a joke to my wife about the LHC fears of the general public. The fanfic was simply that: fiction.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009 5:07 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think that asshole is generally called "god" by most religious idiots.

Which doesn't IMHO, make him any less of an asshole, that being the core belief of Maltheism, more or less.

And not just fanfic, Martin Caidin wrote a novel on that same basis called Star Bright which was so bad it's B-movie funny.

-F

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