Obama expands faith-based initiatives by Geezer

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
This looks like more of a grassroots, "community organizer" kind of approach.

from the article:

"Obama said the new office, which he created by executive order, would reach out to organizations that provide help "no matter their religious or political beliefs."

Sorta Like:
"In a White House announcement, President Bush stated, "It is one of the great goals of my administration to invigorate the spirit of involvement and citizenship. We will encourage faith-based and community programs without changing their mission. We will help all in their work to change hearts while keeping a commitment to pluralism."

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa012901a.htm

Also from the same article:
"Opposition to Bush's faith-based initiatives has come from organizations including the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Both organizations have stated that the initiative represents an unconstitutional merging of church and state."

I wonder if the ACLU and Americans United for Seperation of Church and State will oppose President obama's version?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:13 PM

STORYMARK

I'm not exactly thrilled about it, but equating the two programs isn't quite fair.

Obama's plan will only fund secular activites from these faith-based groups, and will not allow the proselytizing and discrimination that was part of Bush's program.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:14 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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I wonder if the ACLU and Americans United for Seperation of Church and State will oppose President obama's version?

I've got money that says they will.

I wonder if the "moral" majority, the christian right, and the AFA will support President Obama's version?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:05 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Originally posted by Geezer:
President Bush stated, "It is one of the great goals of my administration to invigorate the spirit of involvement and citizenship.

Sorry, have to catch my breath... that is such an ironic statement looking back. He sure "invigorated" a lot of people to get involved.

You are absolutely right in the similarities - they sound identical almost, and for that reason it will be interesting to see how they compare in the months/years to come as well as your other test, the challenges from the ACLU and Americans United for Seperation of Church and State. Would you be surprised if their challenges were only token ones? I wouldn't. They're different personalities and they will have different payoffs.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:22 PM

America loves a winner!

Bush bad, Obama BETTER !

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:54 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Obama's plan will only fund secular activites from these faith-based groups, and will not allow the proselytizing and discrimination that was part of Bush's program.

Provide any cites that show that Bush's program allowed proselytizing and discrimination, or shut up.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:Interesting. This was a BAD IDEA when Bush did it. Now President Obama says it needs to be expanded.

Faith...Government......Uhh can I puhleeeese have a faithuh!...and a govern-uh ment-uh!!

........It's still a bad idea.

It's also fun watching conservatives act like victims.

I'll show conservatives the true meaning of victim...If the economy was a ship, and the ship went down...I would konk all the conservatives in the life raft on the head and make jerky out of them if neccessary

MalBad the Reaver.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:51 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
It's also fun watching conservatives act like victims.

I'll show conservatives the true meaning of victim...If the economy was a ship, and the ship went down...I would konk all the conservatives in the life raft on the head and make jerky out of them if neccessary

Thanks to adding nothing to this thread.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 7:18 PM

Obama expands faith-based initiatives

Good for him. It was a good idea. I supported it before, I still do. A black democrat is supporting it instead of a white republican. Doesn't matter, it's a good idea.

It only becomes a bad idea when this money is eventually used to manipulate and control the charities that it is set up to help, a danger with govt. involvement in anything.

So, my increasing skepticism in govt. has me a little worried, but if you don't want the rules I suppose, don't take the money. I think that we shouldn't judge an idea based on who put it forward, but on the merits of the idea.

The core of this idea is private charities will probably be of more help to the community than govt. agencies. I live in a place hit by three disasters: a flood, a cyclone, and a FEMA intervention. You can guess which one did the most damage.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
It's also fun watching conservatives act like victims.

I'll show conservatives the true meaning of victim...If the economy was a ship, and the ship went down...I would konk all the conservatives in the life raft on the head and make jerky out of them if neccessary

Thanks to adding nothing to this thread.

I added something to this thread. And you censored it out of my comment in your reply. I said:

"It's (faith based intiatives) still a bad idea "

I just brought something you didn't like is all.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 7:40 PM

America loves a winner!

Guide me through this one... where do consvatives act like victims again ?

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:38 PM

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Provide any cites that show that Bush's program allowed proselytizing and discrimination, or shut up.

"The faith-based reformers tell the separatists not to worry, that secular alternatives are required by law to be available. What they do not tell them, however, is that in the juvenile division of Marion County Superior Court, parents have been encouraged to choose faith-based counseling over services from secular social workers. Those parents, often poor and undereducated, have no institutional power. Faced with the prospect of a child headed for detention, they must essentially invoke their right to secular counseling in order to receive it -- an act that takes some nerve under the circumstances."
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2120

"Many of the religious groups receiving funds under Bush's faith-based initiative have received money as a result of the abstinence-until-marriage program."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/12/04/democ
rats_inspect_faith_based_initiative/

"The evangelical group was given, courtesy of the U.S. Congress, two decommissioned Coast Guard cutters in 1999. As The New York Times reported on Wednesday, the group was supposed to use the ships to provide medical services to people residing on islands in the South Pacific. Instead, it sold both boats – without following the law and telling the Coast Guard first.

Worse yet, Canvasback Missions then dumped the money from the sales into its general budget, meaning some of it may have been used to pay for evangelism."
http://blog.au.org/2007/06/14/avast-matey-faithbased-pirates-sail-away
-with-coast-guard-cutters/

"In her January 7 ruling, U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb, of the Western District of Wisconsin, found that a public "grant to Faith Works constitutes unrestricted, direct funding of an organization that engages in religious indoctrination" and that the "funding stream violates the establishment clause."
http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/janfeb02/milfaith.html

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:40 PM

It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.

Of course, take that as you will since I am far from a neutral observer and consider Christianity probably the most evil religion on the planet.

Ergo, to *ME*, this is like giving tax money to NAMBLA to run daycare centers.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:03 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.

Of course, take that as you will since I am far from a neutral observer and consider Christianity probably the most evil religion on the planet.

Ergo, to *ME*, this is like giving tax money to NAMBLA to run daycare centers.

-Frem

As a non believer, I'm not sold on the whole " it's a bad idea " myself. I mean, Gov't has wasted a lot more $$, not even counting the fraud, graft and outright thievery, so I don't know that this expenditure won't have some sort of positive results. Like some sort of Gov't funded placebo affect.

But Islam, not Christianity, still takes the cake for most evil religion. Christians have their past, to be sure, but as of today, there's only 1 clear choice for top evil.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:54 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
But Islam, not Christianity, still takes the cake for most evil religion. Christians have their past, to be sure, but as of today, there's only 1 clear choice for top evil.

I'd have thought some cannibalistic satanism would be the one, but there you go.

Not I'd ever dream of suggesting that painting over a billion people as evil because of the actions of a small minority is bigoted or nutin'.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:54 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.

Yep. And thanks for providing the cites (although I was hoping to goad Storymark into finding them). When Federal dollars are available, religious and secular organizations will pop up to feed at the trough.

My interest in the latest move will be to see if the folks who protested Bush's initiative will protest Obama's.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, February 6, 2009 4:07 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not I'd ever dream of suggesting that painting over a billion people as evil because of the actions of a small minority is bigoted or nutin'.

All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing

There's a lot of nothing coming from all those "peaceful" muslims.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, February 6, 2009 4:11 AM

I half agree with rap, I think that govt. wastes funds. Put an independent group on the job with a budget, and they'll try to make the most of it. A govt. group won't as much because the budget is not only less limited, but also, they will get a budget next year almost no matter what they do. I think when the govt. is spending money in this fashion, which imho, it shouldn't do at all, but if it is to put money to social causes, it should be in the hands of the people. This sort of program is more about not discriminating against religious charities. Unfortunately, I see now there's discrimination against religious schools. I'm a pretty neutral outside on this one. But I also see the PC crowd as being religion, socialism as being one, etc. Sets of beliefs handed down as wisdom that guide your morals and actions based on faith rather than understanding.

As for Islam I really disagree. I think it was, in the 7th and 8th centuries very destructive. I think it's relatively harmless now. Christians took the cake for damage around for several centuries, now they've mellowed out.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 4:20 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Originally posted by Geezer:

"Opposition to Bush's faith-based initiatives has come from organizations including the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Both organizations have stated that the initiative represents an unconstitutional merging of church and state."

I wonder if the ACLU and Americans United for Seperation of Church and State will oppose President obama's version"

From the first article:

"Groups that were critical of the Bush faith-based office _ including the American Civil Liberties Union, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and People For the American Way _ issued statements Thursday expressing disappointment in the Obama version. All said that by failing to repeal Bush policies, the White House will allow participating religious groups to continue discrimination in hiring.

The ACLU also charged that the new advisory council amounted to "a president giving his favored clergy a governmental stamp of approval."

Not sure if that meets your criteria for "opposition."

From the ACLU's web site:

http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/38667prs20090205.html

“President Obama has put the cart before the horse,” said Christopher Anders, ACLU Senior Legislative Counsel. “He is expanding the Bush administration’s faith-based initiative without putting the most important safeguards in place. The president has created a more powerful office with a greater ability to shovel federal taxpayer dollars to religious groups, but civil rights protections are being deferred for later study and decisions. With the president likely to soon have additional hundreds of billions of economic stimulus dollars at his disposal, he should have abolished the discriminatory rules of his predecessor before greasing the way for more federal funds going to religious groups.”

From American's United for Sep of Church and State:

http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=10291&securit
y=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241

“I am very disappointed that President Obama’s faith-based program is being rolled out without barring evangelism and religious discrimination in taxpayer-funded programs,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “It should be obvious that taxpayer-funded religious bias offends our civil rights laws, our Constitution and our shared sense of values.”

From People for the American Way:

http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=media_2009_02_obama_shou
ld_stick_to_constitutional_principles

"People For the American Way President Kathryn Kolbert issued the following statement:

"During the campaign, President Obama made clear that religious organizations that receive federal money should not discriminate. We strongly support that principle, but it’s disappointing that today President Obama has missed an opportunity to put it into practice immediately.

"It's not about left or right: it’s about upholding the Constitution. If churches accept federal funds, it's deeply inappropriate for them to discriminate on the basis of religion in their hiring. It's unconstitutional for federal money to support programs that only benefit those who profess a particular faith."

Seems a resounding 3 for 3 in opposition.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 5:04 AM

Faith based initiative: Want, Take, Have:

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HERO
The whole stimulas plan is a faith-based initiative.

They want us to just pass the bill and pray for a miracle.

Obama, faith you can believe in.

Hero makes an interesting point:

Not just faith based initiative, but the overall, trillion dollar spending bills which aren't in the budget, wars in the middle east, laws by executive order, I'm not sure there's a lot of change here. I think this might be more of the same.

A trillion dollar spending bill is going to dilute the value of the dollar, not immediately, but ulimately, but about 10%. So if it doesn't cause your own net worth to go up by 10%, it's not helping.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 5:53 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing

There's a lot of nothing coming from all those "peaceful" muslims.

Really? I've seen lots of denouncement of radical Islamic terrorism from Muslims. I suppose if you don't want too see it, it would be easy to miss.

Google "Muslims Denounce Terror Attacks", you'll be surprised.

So, by that reasoning, the US is evil for not doing anything in Darfur. Or Georgia. Or a million other places that get ignored.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 7:40 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bush bad, Obama BETTER !

Nice to see you're making progress.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 7:41 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guide me through this one... where do consvatives act like victims again ?

Uh, any time they don't get their way. They held the majority of power for 6 stright years, and still acted like they were being picked on.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 7:54 AM

Another faith based initiative:

Faith based Jessica Alba:

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Friday, February 6, 2009 8:36 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:My interest in the latest move will be to see if the folks who protested Bush's initiative will protest Obama's.

Folks = media? liberals?

liberal media, probably not

liberal voters = I do*

Obama tries to make evangelicals happy, and he tries to make conservatives happy, and he tries to make republicans happy. Then these groups say how horrible it would be if only Democrats ran the government. IMO democrats having total power to enact liberal policy is not the attraction...it's the abscence of puritanical militaristic fear mongering pseudo patriotic attempts to restrict freedom here and abroad.

*note: That doesn't mean I hate Obama now or that the Democratic party is coming unraveled.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 10:20 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bush bad, Obama BETTER !

Nice to see you're making progress.

Is it the sarcasm you don't get, or did you just never read ANIMAL FARM ?

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Friday, February 6, 2009 10:26 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guide me through this one... where do consvatives act like victims again ?

Uh, any time they don't get their way. They held the majority of power for 6 stright years, and still acted like they were being picked on.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Well, they held the slimmest of margins, for starters. And when the MSM is towing the line for the Democrats, any acknowlegement of being ' picked on ' could be excused. However, could you do us a favor an cite ONE example where the GOP acted like they were getting picked on? ( And no, any time they don't get their way isn't an example. )

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Friday, February 6, 2009 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
*note: That doesn't mean I hate Obama now or that the Democratic party is coming unraveled.

Not YET, at least.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 11:54 AM

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But Islam, not Christianity, still takes the cake for most evil religion.

Actually if you go by the casualty count and national/social impact, Christianity does.

And to be honest, anyone actually following the tenets of either belief would never have perped most of those historical events either.

While you can lay some blame to the religion as practiced - you have to take into account that most folk practice a misunderstood or awfully distorted version of such, even a lotta decent folk do.

Both religions actually discourage preaching, I think Islam even explicitly forbids it, stating that if you wanna lead someone to that path you need to do it by example - and Islam has some very specific and strong words against mistreating captives, or taking hostages, much less killing them.

Mind you, I do not care for Islam any more than I do Christianity, but if folk actually followed the damned tenets of the beliefs instead of bowing in ignorance to what some damned fanatic zealot tells em they are - we'd have a lot less problems of that nature.

Remember, one of my best allies happens to be an elderly lady who's a former Catholic nun, and she's got a right sharp wit and even sharper tongue when it comes to folk takin her beliefs out of context.

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My interest in the latest move will be to see if the folks who protested Bush's initiative will protest Obama's.

Well here's one right here, and through that one, plenty more, believe it.

And yanno, concerning those pictures...

If when a woman leans forward, I can *clearly* see her ribs, my first instict is to feed her, jeepers, when I wanna jump some bones I don't mean it literally!

Pet peeve #2 - the natural conformation of a woman includes a slight bulge just below the navel, it's SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, and yet they go all out crazy trying to flatten it for social reasons ?
What's next, sanding your nose off your face - cause in all honesty, that's how freaky it looks to me.

Latest for the Pinup wall is Sigrid, one of the models for Dove.
(The Blonde)
http://www.dove.us/#/cfrb/

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 6, 2009 12:09 PM

America loves a winner!

The reason there's no preachin in Islam is that there's no NEED to. In most Islam controlled counties, it's illegal to be anything BUT Muslim.

Christians jailed since December set free
Coptic Patriarch Shenouda III was in self-imposed exile in a monastery to free them.

Cairo (AsiaNews/Agencies) All Coptic Christians arrested and jailed in December have now been set free. The last 11 left prison yesterday after paying 300 Egyptian pound bail (US$ 50)

Others were freed in mid- and late December.

Patriarch Shenouda III had gone into self-imposed exile in a monastery just before Christmas to protest against the incarceration stating that he would not appear in public until all the prisoners were released.

The affair had started on December 8, 2004, when about three thousand Copts demonstrated in front of Cairo's St Mark's Cathedral. Clashes with the police had led to the arrest of 34 of them.

The demonstrators were protesting against the forced conversion to Islam of the wife of a Coptic priest. The woman's employer was accused of seducing her and then blackmailing her into becoming a Muslim.

A few days after the demonstration, the womanWafaa Constantine Messihwho had disappeared, came home reasserting her Christian faith.

"I was born Christian," she was quoted as saying, "and I want to stay one till I die."

Public prosecutor Maher Abdel Wahed had freed a first group of 13 Christian demonstrators on December 21. Another 10 were ordered released on December 30. And now the last 11 have been set free. (LF)

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Friday, February 6, 2009 12:13 PM

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But Islam, not Christianity, still takes the cake for most evil religion.

Actually if you go by the casualty count and national/social impact, Christianity does.

:dubious:
I think you're both wrong.
But I don't believe in evil

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Friday, February 6, 2009 12:38 PM

You failed to include the whole of the story, although there's blame enough on both ends.

Those Coptics were warned, flat TOLD during their visa application process that preaching would land them in trouble double damned quick, and they promised not to.

And the first thing they did when they got off the plane was start doing it, handing out bibles and being really obnoxious and pushy about it.

They were not arrested for being Christian, or even for preaching, but for violating the terms of their visa, and rightfully so.

Coptics in particular are notorious for it, hell, they get arrested in the USA often enough for disorderly conduct given just how far they take it - and I've bodily THROWN one off my property who wouldn't take the hint when I demanded he leave.

So that was the event that started it, and things escalated from there - oh and yanno, miss holy virtue there didn't *have* to sleep with the guy, if she hadn't acted like an immoral whore he'd not have had anything to blackmail her with.

But I guess her own overlooked that little bit, since it was a handy excuse to feel all victimised and start some shit.

Neither side of THAT mess was ever innocent to begin with.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, February 6, 2009 2:12 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The reason there's no preachin in Islam is that there's no NEED to. In most Islam controlled counties, it's illegal to be anything BUT Muslim.

America never had the pleasure of marauding armies of crooks invading and converting everyone who stood still into Christians at swordpoint, and killing everyone who ran.

Living in a country that chooses as a sovereign nation to allow all relious practices...Americans would probably be shocked about the laws of other soveriegn nations prohibiting actively preaching Christianity.

Those laws read no PREACHING of Christianity and countries like Jordan don't enforce it unless somebody runs up and down the street trying to convert people. Just like being gay in Islamic countries, don't ask, don't tell. We have our own laws that are stupid Rap...like laws against gay marriage, and the Baldwin Park CA law that reads "Nobody is allowed to ride a bicycle in a swimming pool".
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/california

It's thier country and if they don't want meddlers trying propagate other religions than Islam. They're allowed to do that in thier own country.

When will exceptionalists ever get it that it's not our country to moralize over. If they start killing Christians who didn't break thier laws...thats different. Even then...when you go to another country armed only with your conception of God...and your life is in his hands...blame God if you get kidnapped and your head gets chopped off.

Live and let live

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Friday, February 6, 2009 2:19 PM

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Guide me through this one... where do consvatives act like victims again ?

Ask Sarah Palin. "But...but... THE MEDIA!!! THE MEDIA!!! THE LEFT-WING LIBERAL BIASED MEDIA!!!"

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Faith based initiative: Want, Take, Have:

Now THAT is a Faith-based initiative I can get behind!

Want. Take. Have. So you're saying I can take her, to have? Because I definitely want her.

(Might have to clear it with the wife first...)

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 2:25 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Another faith based initiative:

Faith based Jessica Alba:

No fair changing topics!

This is a FAITH-based thread! The Alba thread is two threads over, on the right.

More Eliza pix, please. She was always the hotter slayer. She could slay me any time; what a way to go...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 2:31 PM

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The reason there's no preachin in Islam is that there's no NEED to. In most Islam controlled counties, it's illegal to be anything BUT Muslim.

You know where that WASN'T the case? Saddam's Iraq. Look it up. His foreign minister, Tariq Aziz, was a Christian. Saddam seemed to be fine with that.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:15 PM

As for muslims, not much I can post:
I think there needs to be a new muslim holy book that deals with the relationship between women and cameras, as being more like that between husband and wife :)

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:33 PM

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Because I definitely want her.

You can have her, the ribs thing freaks me out it does...

-F

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:34 PM

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I think there needs to be a new muslim holy book that deals with the relationship between women and cameras, as being more like that between husband and wife :)

Please, no. Then we'd never see any skin!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:35 PM

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Because I definitely want her.

You can have her, the ribs thing freaks me out it does...

-F

Well, given that she's going to put on some weight once you settle down with her, she's going to be ever-so-much hotter when that happens!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:37 PM

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You know where that WASN'T the case? Saddam's Iraq. Look it up. His foreign minister, Tariq Aziz, was a Christian. Saddam seemed to be fine with that.

I said most, not all. Turkey is fairly free from religious persecution, as I understand.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:39 PM

OPTIMUS1998

9/11 was a faith based initiative

Make Cartoons, Not War
- Sue Blu
Indeed
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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:40 PM

OPTIMUS1998

I like not adding anything constructive to these threads

Make Cartoons, Not War
- Sue Blu
Indeed
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Friday, February 6, 2009 10:21 PM

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Well, given that she's going to put on some weight once you settle down with her

THAT, sir, is a slander, and a base falsehood.

The title of dietkiller was thrown upon me by malefactant malingerers and has no basis in reality at... aw shit, I can't even TYPE that with a straight face, lmao....

You might recall on occasion the ex-Fremgirl had me cook breakfast for her whole office (we're talkin 35-40 people, mind) right ?

And I mean cook, sausage gravy with homemade biscuits, bacon, sausage, hash browns from scratch, done in the bacon grease, eggs lorraine, sometimes even a stack or two of pancakes.

Given the marriage offers and kidnapping threats, she's NOT informed them of the breakup, hee hee hee.

I swear I must have some polish in my euro-mongrel ancestry, cause I *will* feed ya, first order of business... then the hillbilly kicks in and I get ya liquored up, and then the cards come out...

-Fremisalethalchef.

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 2:16 AM

Oh, no worries, Frem - that wasn't aimed at you; it was a sexist generality, one of those truisms. Honestly, I figured I'd get ripped apart by the womenfolk for even typing it. Maybe they figured out it was all in jest. And it's not like MEN don't do the same thing, after all.

It's 6:00 in the A.M., and now you've got me craving a big breakfast. Sausage gravy and biscuits is the best part.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 4:17 AM