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Carradine Had Rope Around Genitals: Thai Police

BANGKOK — Police are speculating that accidental suffocation, not suicide, may have caused the death of American cult actor David Carradine, whose body was found in a hotel closet in the Thai capital with a rope tied to his neck, wrist and genitals.

Celebrity blogs and social networking Web sites were abuzz with news of the death of Carradine _ best known for the 1970s TV series "Kung Fu." The circumstances under which he died have led to speculation that the 72-year-old actor may have been engaged in a dangerous form of sex play known as auto-erotic asphyxiation.

The practice involves temporarily cutting off the supply of oxygen to the brain to heighten the effects of a sexual climax.

Dr. Nanthana Sirisap, director of Chulalongkorn Hospital's Autopsy Center, told reporters that the autopsy was conducted because of the "unusual circumstances surrounding Carradine's death," but did not elaborate.

Police Lt. Teerapop Luanseng had said Thursday that Carradine's body was found "naked, hanging in a closet," and police at that time suspected suicide. However, no suicide note has been found.

Carradine's friends and associates insisted he would not kill himself.

"All we can say is, we know David would never have committed suicide," said Tiffany Smith of Binder & Associates, his management company. "We're just waiting for them to finish the investigation and find out what really happened. He really appreciated everything life has to give ... and that's not something David would ever do to himself."

Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of Thailand's Central Institute of Forensic Science, said the circumstances suggested that Carradine may have died performing auto-erotic asphyxiation, which is said to result in a form of giddiness and euphoria _ similar to alcohol or drug intoxication _ that enhances the sexual experience.

"In some cases it can suggest murder, too. But sometimes when the victim is naked and in bondage, it can suggest that the victim is doing it to himself," said Pornthip, who is considered the country's top criminal forensics expert but who did not take part in the autopsy. "If you hang yourself by the neck, you don't need so much pressure to kill yourself. Those who get highly sexually aroused tend to forget this fact."

Carradine had flown to Thailand last week and began work on a film titled "Stretch" two days before his death, Smith said. He had several other projects lined up after the action film, which was being directed by Charles de Meaux.

Carradine was in good spirits when he left the U.S. for Thailand on May 29 to work on "Stretch," his manager Smith said by phone from Beverly Hills.

Monica Donati, a spokesman for the French film company MK2, which was making "Stretch," said in statement from Paris that the film crew in Bangkok was "clearly shocked" by Carradine's death but would finish shooting. Carradine only had three more days of filming left in Bangkok, she said.

"David was apparently very happy about this new role and about filming again," she said.

Hotel manager Giraudo described Carradine as "very much a person full of life" who chatted with the staff.

"He was a great piano player and played a few nights in the hotel lobby," he said, "He also played the flute and the guests really enjoyed it. I mentioned to him that I had seen (the movie) 'Crank' with my family and that was the last smile he gave me."

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Actor David Carradine Murdered Or Asphyxiation?

This morning we woke up with the news that the suicide fact of well known Hollywood movie actor David Carradine is disputed. People close to him say David never called a suicide hotline, did not appear to suffer from depression and never mentioned receiving treatment from depression. Thai police says Carradine was not murdered and most likely died from Asphyxiation, reports WashPost.

Some people who know him say, he would not have taken his life, at this time; even though, he struggled with suicidal thoughts in his past years. Those who do not believe he committed suicide say that his career was in an upswing and so was his personal life. A few years ago, his career took on a new life with the movie, Kill Bill. He had pretty much been out of the entertainment industry, until then. David had made statements to others about his suspicion that, not many industry leaders were willing to give him roles as he aged. After appearing in Kill Bill, he began working again; in fact, he was in Bankok, Thailand to film a new movie. He had only been at the hotel for a few days when he was found dead.

At this point, suicide is only suspected; but, David’s death appears suspicious, at least to his personal co-manager, Tiffany Smith. David was found in a sitting position in the closet with the cord wrapped around his neck and the closet rod. The authorities have said there doesn’t appear to be any assault, no forced entrance to his room, no obvious crime; so, I guess that means the authorities don’t suspect that he was murdered. No news has been released about whether there was a suicide note or not. In fact, some say it had to be an accident, those who know him say he would never commit suicide.

If it’s true that he didn’t commit suicide and he wasn’t murdered, then what, an accident? That seems a bit difficult to understand. I mean, how does a curtain cord accidently get taken down and wrapped around the throat of a nude person; unless it is something called the ”choking game”. The choking game is an accident waiting to happen. It is a serious and dangerous activity; one that has become a threat around the world. www.stop-the-choking-game.com/en/choking.html It is dangerous because, there is always the danger that the person could lose consciousness and die without meaning to.

In that kind of situation, I guess it could be considered an accident when someone waits too long to loosen the cord or binding around their neck. That is not to say that, this is what happened to David Carradine, but there are definately alot of questions surrounding David’s death.

www.huliq.com/1/81848/actor-david-carradine-murdered-or-asphyxiation

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In Kung Fu:The Movie (1986) Caine (played by Carradine) is forced to fight his hitherto unknown son, Chung Wang (played by Brandon Lee). Herbie Pilato in The Kung Fu Book of Caine, also comments that Bruce Lee's son, Brandon Lee, was involved in sequels related to the series:

The late Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee, played Caine's son, Chung Wang. Toward the end of the film, Chung Wang asks Caine if he is his father. The question seems somewhat ironic since — in real life — Brandon's father was the chief contender for the role of Caine in the series. After Bruce Lee lost the part to Carradine, he went back to China, where he made The Big Boss, the film that began his legendary career in martial arts movies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_(TV_series)

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Thai authorities said they have all but ruled out foul play, based on surveillance footage and interviews with hotel staff that indicate no one was in Carradine's room before he died.

His family have said they were "profoundly disturbed" by the release in a Thail newspaper of photographs showing a naked body, believed to be that of Carradine, suspended from a clothes bar in a hotel closet. They have threatened legal action over the publication.

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Carradine's "Deviant Sexual Behavior"

Ex-wife accused actor of "potentially deadly" acts in court filing

www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0605092carradine1.html

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A Thai police commander said Friday that US actor David Carradine, found hanged in his Bangkok hotel room, may have died from a sex act gone wrong.

"There was a rope tied around his neck and another rope tied at his sex organ, and the two ropes were tied together and hung in the closet," Lieutenant General Worapong Siewpreecha told reporters.

"Under these circumstances we cannot be sure that he committed suicide but he may have died from masturbation," he said.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090605/tts-entertainment-film-people-us
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C'mon, PN. Don't you have website of your own or something?

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His hands were tied up, above his head. How does that happen? It's not impossible, but you have to ask all the questions," Kobilinsky said.

The family has openly wondered if Carradine's death was foul play - and whether his death may be connected to kung fu secret societies. Keith Carradine contacted the FBI last week seeking an investigation.

www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/06/08/2009-06-08_forensics_expert.html

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As for cause of death, here's what we're hearing ... if this is truly a case of auto-erotica, typically people who do this will put a cloth or something between the neck and the skin to avoid marks that would be difficult to explain. There's a picture that was published in a Thai newspaper showing the body hanging. We will not publish it, but we do not see evidence of anything between the neck and rope. To the contrary, the photo shows redness in the right shoulder area, next to the neck.

Also -- the notion behind auto-erotica is that oxygen is restricted to heighten orgasm, but the subject generally has a ladder, stool or something like it to restore oxygen. The photo does not show a ladder or stool, but the body is almost in a sitting position. We do not know if any items were moved before the picture was taken.

One of the biggest mysteries -- the photo in the Thai newspaper shows that Carradine's hands are tied above his head (which we reported Friday), yet Thai police say no one was with him in the room. The question -- how's that possible?

www.tmz.com/2009/06/07/david-carradine-second-autopsy/

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"It means an Operative. That's trouble you've not known. They'll come at you sideways. That's how They think, that's how They move. Sidle up with a smile. Hit you where you're weak. That sort of man is hard. Kills and never asks why."
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Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist
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Military report: secretly recruit or hire trolls, er, bloggers
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If you throttled back a bit, and were a little more selective on the stuff you posted, you might be taken more seriously and actually have a bigger impact. Just something to consider.

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PN, for what it's worth, I agree with Sarge. I find some of your posts very informative, but it is still a hassle to sift through either stuff that isn't well evidenced (the correlation between appearing on infowars and death), or stuff that isn't very important (Carradine's sexual habits). Now if you had just concentrated on the probability that Carradine had been murdered, then that might be something to talk about.

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Jerry Penacoli: "David was very interested in investigating and disclosing secret societies."

Mark Geragos: "Absolutely. What that means is connected to his interest in martial arts."

CNN Larry King Live
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/05/lkl.01.html

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"David was pretty strange. He would tie himself up, and I would walk in and see him and say, 'Oh, my God, David, you've got to be kidding me!'"
-Gail Jenson, Carradine's 4th of 5 wives

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In Craig Heimbichner's Blood on the Altar: The Secret History of the World's Most Dangerous Secret Society, it notes that the cofounder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory Jack Parsons was the OTO's Agape Lodge cofounder. The OTO, he characterizes, as a group involved in sex-magick, pedopilia, and other tales of power and perversion. (BTW, agape is Greek for "brotherly love.")

Heimbichner observes (p. 121), "His Agape Lodge was affiliated with many Hollywood writers and actors, including John Carradine, father of [David] the star of "Kung Fu" and the cinematic blood-geyser Kill Bill. The elder Carradine read one of [Aleister] Crowley's poems at the inauguration of the Agape Lodge No. 2 in 1935." (Author Heimbichner also mentions actors Dennis Hopper and Dean Stockwell, and filmmaker Kenneth Anger, as Thelemites, the term for OTO members.)

Two of the OTO's most famous: Jack Parsons's girlfriend, Marjorie Cameron and Dennis Hopper.

The groundbreaking 2000 book, Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons by John Carter and the 2005 copycat work, Strange Angel: The Otherworldly Life of Rocket Scientist John Whiteside Parsons by George Pendle, give more details, especially in the realm of "following the money."

John Carradine visited the house perhaps because he was a member of OTO, or, as Pendle wonders, for "research purposes: He was soon to play the organist of a satanic cult in the film The Black Cat."

John Carradine (1906-1988) appeared in The Black Cat (1934), playing the "cult organist" who was killed in an explosion (along with the rest of the cultists) when the Bela Lugosi character blows up the cult's headquarters. Lugosi is shown activating the bomb, followed by an exterior shot of the house exploding.

John Carradine's wild sexual ways, as one of The Bundy Drive Boys, is also discussed in Hollywood's Hellfire Club (2007) by author Gregory William Mank and contributors Charles Heard and Bill Nelson.

So, was the father to the clan a dedicated OTO member in the 1930s, or in stereotypical Hollywood fashion, merely getting closer to his topic, as Heath Ledger would do recently with the Joker role, to more deeply understand the forbidden subject matter being researched? Was David Carradine doing something similar in Bangkok and elsewhere?

The elder Carradine, we now know, worked with those who were trying to understand the modern versions of the Illuminati. John Carradine is listed as the narrator for Gary Allen's cassette recording of the tape, "The Establishment - C. F. R." It is noted as an "in-depth look at the 'invisible government' that controls the United States. C.F.R. as a modern manifestation of the conspiracy begun by the Illuminati." ("C.F.R." stands for the Council on Foreign Relations.)

Did the Carradines play the dangerous game of double-agents?

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The hotel's location is key. One of Bangkok's most unique animist shrines resides under the large banyan tree circled in the upper left corner. Here, favors are asked of Tubtim, a water spirit that lives in the adjacent canal. If a wish is granted, devotees leave phallic offerings of all shapes and sizes. Hundreds of colorful examples are lined up around the shrine. And from the hotel parking lot, along a walkway, to the shrine.

Little is known about the origins of the shrine, which now stands on the grounds of the Swissotel Nai Lert Hotel in the heart of Bangkok.


Sex goddess shrine at David Carradine's hotel in Thailand

TheSmokingGun also has come out with documents detailing Carradine's apparently extensive "history" of sexual/indecent behavior---including allegedly having sex with his own daughter Calista.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2009/06/carradine2.html

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