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Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:47 PM

PIRATENEWS

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www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1281221.html




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Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:49 PM

DREAMTROVE


Sorry, I get sick of Nazis. Whatever they call this US govt in the history book, it won't be anything pretty, Bush, Clinton, neocon, globalist, American imperialism, etc. Would you want that technology called "the NWO nanocomputer"?

Technically, George W. Bush was president when the first human embryonic stem cells were derived. Should the technology because "George W. Bush Stem Cell tech", or ""American Stem Cell tech."

My first car was a VW Bug, designed by Ferdinand Porsche and built by Volkswagen in Germany. It was a great car, and a marvel of German engineer. Truly a remarkable machine. Porsche was a race car designer by trade, and was commissioned to design a "people's car" by the Nazis, as a Socialist answer to American Capitalisms "Ford" the car the everman could afford.

Stylistically, Porsche chose to emulate American cars of the time, but smaller, lighter, and running on an independent four wheel suspension chasis, with a rear air cooled engine, a race car design he'd been using. He personally met with Adolph Hitler who personally test drove the vehicle, and gave it a rave review.

Yeah, sure, a lot of you already know this story:

But before we call this "the Nazi car" just a few notes:

1. Mulally presented Bush with a Ford Hybrid, a car that Bush had called for in, IIRC, his 2005 re-inauguration address. He had challenged detroit to create an answer to the Toyota Prius, and Ford delivered. Bush nearly offed himself, but test drove the car and gave it accolades.

But was Bush *really* pro-hybrid? Did he even care about whether America had an answer car, or was he just a politician trying to look good.

2. After the fan fare and photo-ops died down from the 1937 introduction, in 1938, with around fewer than 5000 VW bugs produced, the Nazis ordered a suspension of the car, as it used industrial and mineral resources that could be used for the war. VW bugs really went into mass production after the war.

After Bush's encounter with the Ford Hybrid, he withdrew as much support as possible from the idea, in favor of the old gas guzzling SUV.

So,

Does a govt. even deserve credit for the technological innovations of its country, not just they ones that spring up randomly, but the ones that it specifically ordered?

Nuclear power is an invention of Nazi Germany as well, in a Govt. lab. The scientist who worked out the intial physics, both nuclear and thermo-mechanical was Lise Meitner, herself a jew, and vehemently opposed to her govt., and yet very proud of her country, and of the fellow scientists, jewish and not, who had helped her on the project, the goal of which was to bring energy self sufficiency to Germany. So is this a Nazi technology or not?

Side note: I've done a fair amount of digging and found no credible evidence for German plans for a nuclear bomb. The reason was not a lack of will, but a lack of knowledge. The degree of knowledge of nuclear physics required to understand that nuclear decay could be brought to such a high level through the isolation of rare isotopes that it would actually create a vaccuum would have required a mathematical genius on the scale of Stephen Hawking or Benoit Mandelbrot. That scientist would turn out to be Albert Einstein.

The point here is that it would no more have occurred to the Nazi scientists that a nuclear explosion would be possible, much less that it would cause a firestorm equivalent to the surface of the sun, on Earth, than it would have occurred to Isaac Newton that a comet striking the earth would cause a massive crater impact not because of gravity directly, but because of the temperature and pressure resulting from ignition upon atmospheric entry, an atmospheric disruption which, upon striking the surface, could crush the Earth's crust.

But I digress. Point being, Germany, like the US, and China, is a highly advanced technological country, but that doesn't mean we should credit despicable regimes with those achievements.

(also, haven't the russians been experimenting with saucer craft for a while?)

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Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Just for shits and giggles, DT, you should ask PN about Neuschwabenland (New Swabia) sometime. I bet he could go on for hours and hours about the Nazi UFOs flying into the hollow Earth from their bases in Antarctica...

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:18 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

The flying saucer picture at the top of the thread used to say "Fake Photo" in the lower right hand corner.

I appreciated that, since Piratenews usually fails to indicate doctored photographs.

However, it seems he has ameliorated the oversight.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:18 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Built in Canada perhaps

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/mufonontario/avro/avrocar.html




Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:21 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

The flying saucer picture at the top of the thread used to say "Fake Photo" in the lower right hand corner.



These were photochopped by expert graphic artists as illustrations for this book, and were identified as such in that book and website. They are based on credible eyewitness interviews of US soldiers and pilots who saw them parked on the tarmac at USAF bases. The original photos are still Top Secret.

That's why History Channel interviewed those authors.

I just keep the website alive.

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:57 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



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www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/ufo-investiga
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www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/spotting-char
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www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/03files/NAZI_UFO_Gallery_002.htm

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Just for shits and giggles, DT, you should ask PN about Neuschwabenland (New Swabia) sometime. I bet he could go on for hours and hours about the Nazi UFOs flying into the hollow Earth from their bases in Antarctica...



I can't mention that, under National Security.

The last writer who mentioned Neuschwabenland in his book "UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapons" was arrested without charges by police state death squad in my town, tortured by dogs in my local torture dungeon, denied habeas corpus by fed court in my town, deported to Canada without charges and tortured in solitary confinement for several years, deported to Germany without charges, given a secret trial with transcripts banned and his lawyers arrested for attempting to present evidence (since zero evidence is allowed), and sentenced to life on death row for the crime of publishing a book written by a British student. His American wife, Dr Ingrid Zundel PhD, lives in my town, and will be arrested if she visits her husband in Germany, for the crime of being his webmaster in USA.
www.zundelsite.org

Obama signed ADL's Pedophile Protection Act last month, to give USA those same kosher laws for burning books and jailing preachers, authors, publishers and webmasters.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=40554
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009_10_01_archive.html

Ernst Zündel's Flying Saucers
www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs

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The book argued that what are usually described as flying saucers from outer space are actually Nazi secret weapons, still being launched from a hole in the ice in Antarctica. This may be why he jokingly told me...that I was dealing with the "real lunatic fringe." In a later phone conversation, Zündel told me that the UFO book was in fact a ploy.

"I realized that North Americans were not interested in being educated. They want to be entertained. The book was for fun. With a picture of the Führer on the cover and flying saucers coming out of Antarctica it was a chance to get on radio and TV talk shows. For about 15 minutes of an hour program I'd talk about that esoteric stuff. Then I would start talking about all those Jewish scientists in concentration camps, working on these secret weapons. And that was my chance to talk about what I wanted to talk about."

"In that case," I asked him, "do you still stand by what you wrote in the UFO book?" "Look," he replied, "it has a question mark at the end of the title."

It should be pointed out that one of Zündel's most popular works, "Did Six Million Really Die?," also has the terminal question mark.


http://zundelsite.org/harwood/didsix00.html

Zundel the advertising man and media manager went into high gear, developing his controversial "Flying Saucer" line of publications. Less imaginative potential allies did not understand the tactic. They felt he should simply try and try and try again to pursue more traditional paths to public recognition. Some of them are still trying.

Hitler's Secret Antarctic Bases, Nazi Super-Weapons and the mystic secrets of the Aryan Hindu prophetress Savitri Devi were themes the public - and even their commissars - simply could not ignore. The 1970's witnessed a tidal wave of renewed interest in all things spiritual and Zundel was riding the wave for all it was worth. In countless radio talk shows, he held forth on spaceships, spacecraft, "free energies," electromagnetism, emergent technologies and the occasionally positive contributions those otherwise condemned Germans produced under the Third Reich in these fields.

Periodicals accepted ads for flying saucer books that would have obstinately refused similar space for The Auschwitz Lie. "When one door is closed, another will open." By this means, Zundel established a mail order business combining several book titles from revisionist and Fortean fields appealing to a broad base of free thinkers and truth seekers.




www.rense.com/1.mpicons/dees1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel
www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/zundel.asp?xpicked=2&item=zundel

My uncle was shot down over Nazi Germany while flying a B17 named Smokey Stover Jr. With only 6 daylight missions I doubt he ever saw any foo fighters, but he definitely saw lots o fubar.

Quote:

The nonsense word "foo" emerged in popular culture during the early 1930s, it was first used by cartoonist Bill Holman who peppered his Smokey Stover[3] fireman cartoon strips with "foo" signs and puns.[4][5] Holman claimed to have found the word on the bottom of a Chinese figurine.[6] It was part of service culture by World War II and is thought to have led to the backronym FUBAR.[6] By 1944, the term "foo fighter" was used by radar operators to describe a spurious or dubious trace.[6]


http://greyfalcon.us/Foos.htm

The term Foo was borrowed from Bill Holman's comic strip Smokey Stover by a Radar Operator in the 415th Night Fighter Squadron, Donald J. Meiers, who it is agreed by most 415th members gave the Foo Fighters their name. Don was from Chicago and was an avid reader of Bill Holman's strip which was run daily in the Chicago Tribune. In a mission debriefing on the evening of the 27th of November, 1944, Fritz Ringwald, the unit's S-2 Intelligence Officer, stated that Don Meiers and Ed Schleuter had sighted a red ball of fire that appeared to chase them through a variety of high speed maneuvers. Fritz said that Don was extremely agitated and had a copy of the comic strip tucked in his back pocket. He pulled it out and slammed it down on Fritz's desk and said, "... it was another one of those fuckin' foo fighters!" and stormed out of the debriefing room. [7]



According to Fritz Ringwald, that because of the lack of a better name, it stuck. And this was originally what the men of the 415th started calling these incidents-- "Fuckin' Foo Fighters". In December of 1944, a press correspondent from the Associated Press Corps in Paris, Bob Wilson, was sent to the 415th at their base outside of Dijon France to investigate this story.[8] It was at this time that the term was cleaned up to just Foo Fighters. The unit commander, Capt. Harold Augsperger, also decided to shorten the term to Foo Fighters in the unit's Historical Data. [9]
[edit]History



The first sightings occurred in November 1944, when pilots flying over Germany by night reported seeing fast-moving round glowing objects following their aircraft. The objects were variously described as fiery, and glowing red, white, or orange. Some pilots described them as resembling Christmas tree lights and reported that they seemed to toy with the aircraft, making wild turns before simply vanishing. Pilots and aircrew reported that the objects flew formation with their aircraft and behaved as if under intelligent control, but never displayed hostile behavior. However, they could not be outmaneuvered or shot down. The phenomenon was so widespread that the lights earned a name - in the European Theater of Operations they were often called "kraut fireballs" but for the most part called "foo-fighters". The military took the sightings seriously, suspecting that the mysterious sightings might be secret German weapons, but further investigation revealed that German and Japanese pilots had reported similar sightings.[10]



In its 15 January 1945 edition TIME magazine carried a story entitled "Foo-Fighter", in which it reported that the "balls of fire" had been following USAAF night fighters for over a month, and that the pilots had named it the "foo-fighter". According to TIME, descriptions of the phenomena varied, but the pilots agreed that the mysterious lights followed their aircraft closely at high speed. Some scientists at the time rationalized the sightings as an illusion probably caused by afterimages of dazzle caused by flak bursts, while others suggested St. Elmo's Fire as an explanation.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter



Letters from the ZioNazi Gulag by Ernst Zundel
http://zundelsite.org/POW_letterstoc.html


www.rense.com/1.zunpics/artof.htm

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:






See, you really don't help your case when you post crap like this as your "evidence". You've got a "Nazi" flying saucer doing battle with a Convair B-36 Dominator, a U.S. heavy bomber than didn't have its first flight until January 1946 - months AFTER the end of the war and the defeat of the Nazi regime. So to bolster your argument of what REALLY happened, you put up fanciful images of things that absolutely, positively NEVER happened. Good work. You make a great disinformation psyop operative!

It's an added bonus that in all your sources, you seem pretty certain that nobody ever explained what the "foo fighters" were, and yet you seem to make the enormous leap to the idea that they must therefore have been Nazi weapons systems.

Usually, in my daily life, when I come across something I don't understand, I try to NOT immediately say to myself, "Well, Mike... there ya go - must be the goddam Nazis again!" It's weird that that is the very FIRST place your mind goes, when, y'know... your mind goes.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:30 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


It's more of a fanfic image.

What's a Stukajunka doing there I have no idea.

The real photos speak for themselves.

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:39 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

The fact is, saucer shaped craft are not particularly secret. Nor, in the WWII era and the era immediately thereafter, were they particularly effective.

My Elementary School Library had books with black and white pictures of prototype aircraft including USAF 'saucers' that flew badly and had to be tethered to prevent a crash. This, alongside failed vertical launch rocket planes that proved impractical, and also the famous X-series rocket planes that gave us supersonic test data.

The Nazis did have some advanced manned aircraft with jet and rocket motors in very limited numbers. Because of their limited numbers and range, they were essentially only effective in fighting airplanes that were flying through their base's airspace. We eventually developed their rocket and jet technology into something useful, but at the time of WWII all of the advanced Nazi technologies were in their infancy.

Nazi Germany was remarkable in developing the seed technologies that would change the world in later decades. They were also remarkable in the fact that these technologies were incapable of saving them because they could not be deployed in sufficient numbers or with sufficient practicality to turn the tide of war. It took decades for the US and USSR to turn those remarkable toys into remarkable and practical technologies.

I don't know that the US will ever see another conflict on the scale of WWII. There is just no other superpower currently equipped to challenge us in open conventional warfare. China, for instance, has a billion citizens that could potentially be drafted into their military, but no means to transport them or logistically support them.

So, our technology advantage is just right for the many tiny wars on small scale that we have been fighting since WWII ended. But, if somehow there was to be another massive conventional war, our own technology advantages would mean little. Good tactics, good supply lines, and vast amounts of ordinary and even outdated technology would trump small numbers of wizbang technology in a real world conflict theater.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:47 AM

DREAMTROVE


Mike

http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/Cetinbal/HTMLdosya1/vriltechnology.htm

Yes, it's terrifying. The german's secret fourth reich has been infected by a stupidty virus that forced them to flee South America for fear of balmy weather, naked girls and good food in search of Filchner Ice Shelf. Sadly, the military base of Dr. Nein! slipped into the Sea in 2006 due to a fissure caused by global warming. His last words were Schweinhund! as he slipped into the icy depths with his white angora cat, later recounted in his undead autobiography "The Rime of the Ancient Nazi." [People who bought this book also bought "Twilight: New Moon"]

Global Warming itself is a conspiracy started by Jews After New Schwabia was established by time travelling Nazis in 1912. Knowing from what they had learned through a customary routine torture of random individuals, the Jews knew that these Nazis, who seemed nice enough, would eventually kill everyone for no apparent reason. So, they embarked on a mission to replace steam and electric cars with a gasoline burning engine.

Henry Ford, a prominent American Jew was secretly not only a Knight of the British Empire, but actually King of England, and also a member of the Masonic order of Moloch, who was not yet an owl. After Ford's attempt to switch to electric cars on the grounds that "It was a better idea" was thwarted by B''Nai B'Rith, because fire is the devil's only friend, Ford decided to support the Socialist movement in Germany, because he was anti-semitic. This would eventually bite him in the ass by creating Volkswagen, but more importantly, it shows the recursive nature of time travelling history.

Maintream media moguls are aware of this paradox, but have been covering it up, and the earth has been caught in a 27 year loop ever since. It is currently the fall of 1930, and last year's stock market crash is currently being ignored by a socialist president, who is unaware that a larger drop is to come, or that Goldman Sachs had been angling a giant ponzi scheme to take over the nation's economy since 1919. This will lead to a tremendous depression in two years time, and the nation will be split on whether to blame the president, the banks, or a Mayan prophecy written 5,125 years ago in Cuello, Belize.

In recent years, large numbers of Maya from central america and Mexico have been invading "The Real America" from the southern border, causing Lou Dobbs to quit his job. These are often ironically identified as "Mexicans" would would imply that they were actually Aztecs, but they're not, which is no more relevant than whether Moloch is really an owl. The chosen people of God, who's real name cannot be revealed, so no one on the internet knows if he is an owl, believe that this Mexican Invasion is a step in the carrying out of the end of time. While they support the agenda of ending time, they appear to fear Mexicans, perhaps because a Mexcian might kill them before Jesus does, which would be a dishonor. These silly fools have not seen how hot Valkyries are:



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Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
It's more of a fanfic image.

What's a Stukajunka doing there I have no idea.

The real photos speak for themselves.



When you say "fanfic", you mean an image for something that never happened? If so, you are correct. The Nazis didn't have alien-technology flying saucers or secret bases inside the hollow Earth. They just didn't. They had some weapons that were more advanced than some of ours, but nothing that would give them a really spectacular jump on the rest of the world, technologically speaking. Every "advanced" weapons system they had was more along the lines of evolutionary, rather than revolutionary.

DT brought up the VW Beetle - or KDF-Wagen, as it was known in its earliest guise (KDF translates as "Strength-Through-Joy"). It was advanced for its day, but it was still a car, and it still ran on gasoline. It was a DIFFERENT kind of car, but it wasn't a spacecraft. If the Nazis were so advanced, they'd have been flitting through the skies in their space-cars!

Definitely not a Stuka (Junkers JU-87) in that "fanfic" picture. Not sure WHAT that other bomber is supposed to be - looks like an ungainly hybrid between a Dornier Do-17 and a Junkers JU-390. Note the multiple engines (I count four), where the Ju-87 had a single engine and the Ju-390 had six (the Do-17 had twin engines).

Also, the plane in the painting has twin vertical rudders, while the Stuka did not.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, and DT? That was simply awesome.

And somehow I just KNEW that PN was going to have completely bought into the whole New Swabian thing. Show me a batshit-crazy conspiracy, and I'll show you a PN who's fully immersed in believing it to be fact!

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:42 PM

DREAMTROVE


Mike,

Thanks, glad someone finally noticed

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:05 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


It appears that Ernst Zundel's fatal mistake was not realizing Hitler and the top Nazis were jews, with Adolf working for foreign intelligence and heir to the Rothschild bankster family.

Perhaps Zundel did realize that, and just focused his publications on redeeming the middle-class German. As he said, his UFO books were merely a tool to lure publicity and customers, then hit em with the real history.

Scary part is, that same kosher nostra is now attacking and looting USA, and winning. Bushes and Rockefellers (Clintons) armed Nazi Germany during WW2, just like they've armed Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Taliban, AlQaeda and Israel during our wars "against" them.

Those who fail to read history are doomed to repeat it.

Vatican Called in Experts to Study the Possibility of Extraterrestrial Alien Life
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Monday, November 16, 2009 6:12 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Have we gone from experimental aircraft to actual aliens now?

Pirate, the entire Bible, and all of Judaism and Christianity is based on the premise of extraterrestrial life. That makes the 'Vatican investigates ET' news a few thousand years out of date.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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