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Lakoff and HK agree: Chris, still liberal

POSTED BY: HKCAVALIER
UPDATED: Monday, April 5, 2010 11:19
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Monday, April 5, 2010 4:59 AM

HKCAVALIER


I'm giving this video its own thread 'cause it's, like, an hour long and I don't want the discussion in my first thread on these themes to become about who did and who didn't watch the video.


Thanks to Niki2 for reminding me of George Lakoff. I remember him from a few years back, he was talking linguistics after Katrina and I thought he was kinda academic, kinda dry, but pretty on the ball.

This video is a step beyond that. It's wonderful to find out that all the things you've been saying and understand about a subject from personal anecdotal evidence have been thoroughly researched and found to be true by scientific types. I think he's pretty spot on here and echoes everything I've said on the subject of the liberal and conservative world views and how incompatible they are.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Monday, April 5, 2010 6:30 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


"It's wonderful to find out that all the things you've been saying and understand about a subject from personal anecdotal evidence have been thoroughly researched and found to be true by scientific types."


Interesting, but hardly unbiased. Consider:

Quote:

The Rockridge Institute was an American non-profit research and progressive think tank located in Berkeley, California from 2003 until April 30, 2008.[1] Its stated goal was to strengthen democracy by providing intellectual support to the progressive community.[2] The Rockridge Institute promoted progressive ideas and values, studied their implications, and worked to provide an effective articulation of those values to shift public discourse.

Founded by the prominent cognitive linguist George Lakoff, the Rockridge Institute seeks to examine the way that frames—the mental structures that influence our thinking, often unconsciously—determine our opinions and values.[3][4] Based on extensive research in human cognition, the Rockridge Institute argues that the way an issue is framed—the language used to describe it and the metaphors used to understand it—influences our political views as much, or more, than the particulars of a given policy.[5]

Accordingly, the Rockridge Institute attempts to monitor the manipulative use of framing, particularly by right wing organizations and politicians, and to promote frames that encourage progressive thinking.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockridge_Institute





"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, April 5, 2010 7:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Kewl, glad I thought to mention him. Haven't read his book, but after this, think I want to! Thanx.

Great Geezer, but disputing one authority isn't enough; give us an authority or some scientific studies on the other side. I'd really like to read/hear it!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, April 5, 2010 7:44 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Great Geezer, but disputing one authority isn't enough; give us an authority or some scientific studies on the other side. I'd really like to read/hear it!



I'm not taking any sides on the Psychology of Liberals vs. Conservatives issue. To loosely paraphrase Heinlein, I figure there's not one distinguished Psychologist but that you can't find an equally distinguished Psychologist who'll call him a tin-plated fool.

My only issue is that when folks quote someone as the reliable source, a little research to turn up possible bias is usually a good idea. You'd want all the facts reported accurately, wouldn't you?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, April 5, 2010 8:48 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by HKCavalier:




I'm having trouble with definitions here, HK.
If *this* guy is a Liberal, then I must be European.
Lakoff is a *CENTERIST* IMO- a realist if you will.
A Liberal would want money poured into free addict drug needles, and a Conservative would want preventative clinics... I'm all turned around here; you spin me all about!

*hands in the air*

Ya got me, I guess. I AM a Liberal.

I been framed.




The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, April 5, 2010 10:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don't think anyone here has pointed to him as "THE" reliable source, nor the guy who wrote "The Authoritarians". We find what they have to say valid and reasonable, and what they explain is what Chris was rolling around in this thread. All three have postulated pretty much the same thing, and we've not heard anything to the contrary. I personally would love to. Dismissing both authors and Chris as having a bias does nothing to invalidate their hypotheses, as far as I can say, unless we can find a reputable source (I don't mind if they're biased) in opposition.

We've said repeatedly we'd like either someone here who could be articulate to express the opposite point of view, and I said if there was someone out there we could be pointed to who has postulated on this and their material is available, we'd like to read/hear it.

Nothing has been forthcoming. Does that mean there's nobody out there to argue the other side? Or that nobody cares? Just wondering.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, April 5, 2010 11:04 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


ATTENTION ALL


Niki and I have come to an impasse


I do not want to talk to her on this board

I do not want her jumping into my conversations with other people

I do not want her yapping about me any more



She seem incapable of the reasonable request of simply leaving me alone, so I unfortunately have to respond by well... responding to ALL of her posts.


You see our disagreement stems on the lines that I feel folk who engage in mass murder deserve to see some kind of justice

as well as a citizen of a country has some responsibility concerning the actions of their country...

to that end here is some of the victims Niki seems to feel does not deserve any justice



Sorry for the inconvenience, Please Return to your day

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Monday, April 5, 2010 11:04 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


ATTENTION ALL


Niki and I have come to an impasse


I do not want to talk to her on this board

I do not want her jumping into my conversations with other people

I do not want her yapping about me any more



She seem incapable of the reasonable request of simply leaving me alone, so I unfortunately have to respond by well... responding to ALL of her posts.


You see our disagreement stems on the lines that I feel folk who engage in mass murder deserve to see some kind of justice

as well as a citizen of a country has some responsibility concerning the actions of their country...

to that end here is some of the victims Niki seems to feel does not deserve any justice



Sorry for the inconvenience, Please Return to your day

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Monday, April 5, 2010 11:19 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
PLEEEEEEZE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEE.



Yeah, yeah, we hear you. Here's a cookie, now go take your nap.

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