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And now, for our next trick..."Underground Blowout!"

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 7:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Some scientists, and engineer and a Senator think there may be what's called an "Underground Blowout" going on at the gusherfuck. Apparently the pressure the used on that last attempt, the "Top Kill" I think it was? (They all run together at this point...), may have been so much pressure that the casing UNDER the well has busted. They're seeing signs of oil coming up from around the gusherfuck itself, and are theorizing this is what happened.

I hope to gawd not, but one of the points they made was, remember Memorial Day when they stopped the effort inexplicably, then started up again a day or so later? The guys I heard talking said they think they stopped because they saw this was happening, and might have lowered the pressure to keep it from getting worse or something.

Wiki says of underground blowouts:
Quote:

An underground blowout is a special situation where fluids from high pressure zones flow uncontrolled to lower pressure zones within the wellbore. Usually this is from deeper higher pressure zones to shallower lower pressure formations. There may be no escaping fluid flow at the wellhead. Underground blowouts can be very difficult to bring under control, and if left unchecked the fluids may find their way to the surface or ocean floor nearby.
If there is one, any attempts to cap it before the relief wells are dug will be useless most likely.

I found this on the internet about it by Bob Cavnar, engineer and blogger on The Daily Hurricane:
Quote:

"...All is going according to plan," that is the mantra BP intones; it may be that BP is fighting the problem that many industry types feared all along: an underground blowout. An underground blowout, actually more common than surface blowouts, is uncontrolled flow from the blowout zone to a weaker zone communicated with the well bore. In extreme cases, the flow can break down these zones, or adjacent casing shoes (seals) of the larger, shallower strings of pipe in the well bore, which can lead to flow actually coming to the surface completely outside of the well itself. This scenario is doomsday, only containable through a relief well at the bottom of the well.

BP may be being very careful to not put too much back pressure on the cap, thus the well, because it may cause a zone to breakdown and start an underground blowout, or, more likely, that it happened during the top kill attempt, and that they are already fighting it. If an underground blowout gets to upper strata, or up the well bore outside of the existing strings of pipe, it's game over; uncontrolled flow until the relief well kills it.

If this is what they are fighting, somebody needs to say something. Surely, they are monitoring the sea floor surrounding the wellhead just to see. If they're not, the need to start.

(more at http://dailyhurricane.com/2010/06/bp-what-is-taking-so-long-something-
else-going-on.html
)

Senator Bill Nelson of Florida agrees that this is what might be going on:
Quote:

Oil and gas may be leaking from the seabed surrounding the BP Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico, Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, one of the most informed and diligent Congressmen on the BP gulf oil spill issue, has received reports of leaks in the well, located in the Mississippi Canyon sector. This is potentially huge and devastating news.

If Nelson is correct in that assertion, and he is smart enough to not make such assertions lightly, so I think they must be taken at face value, it means the well casing and well bore are compromised and the gig is up on containment pending a completely effective attempt to seal the well from the bottom via successful “relief wells”. In fact, I have confirmed with Senator Nelson’s office that they are fully aware of the breaking news and significance of what the Senator said.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/06/07/senator-nelson-says-bp-we
ll-integrity-may-be-blown
/

If you want a discussion on the matter by engineer Bob Cavnar (who I quoted above), you can find it here (if you can stomach Keith Olbermann...) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37582386

By the way, the oil didn't stop flowing in the 1979 Ixtoc disaster for three months AFTER the relief wells were in place; it had an underground blowout. Cheery thought. The Ixtoc disaster "spilled" 140 million gallons before it was stopped; so far the Horizon has gushed 21-45 million. Of course, we don't know how long it will go on. But the comparisons and differences can be found at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37507727/ , if anyone's interested. There are quite a few of both.


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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:21 PM

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Bump.


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Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:39 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I suppose capping a well is like pressing a straw into a sponge. The sea floor isn't exactly an impervious, perfect seal? If it can't flow up, it'll flow out?

--Anthony


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Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:15 AM

NIKI2

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That seems to be the basic idea. Let's hope it's NOT happening, eh? Gawd knows, BP won't tell us if it is!

Given it's happened before; given BP's various 'attempts' would have put pressure downward even tho' they didn't work...


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To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

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To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

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Friday, June 18, 2010 11:46 AM

NIKI2

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Here's the one I originally put up, if anyone's interested. It was back on the 9th, and there's a bit more information...plus it helped me understand it to hear the interview on Olbermann.


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To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

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