Florida airport considers ditching TSA by Niki2

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Florida airport considers ditching TSA

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Friday, November 19, 2010 9:15 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Hmmmm...interesting development:

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An Orlando, Florida, airport official wants to join the small group of U.S. airports who use a private company to screen passengers instead of the Transportation Security Administration.

Larry Dale, president of the Sanford Airport Authority in Orlando, says the airport first considered the change in February and it was approved on Oct. 5.

"Airports are unique...one size doesn't fit all," Dale told CNN's American Morning on Friday. Dale says his board and staff have been looking at other airports that provide their own security in preparation for making the switch at Orlando Sanford International Airport. Dale says his research shows that using a private security screening company would be "more efficient and more enjoyable to the public."

Dale's comments come during a week in which the TSA has been under fire for it's airport screening procedures, including imaging technology and pat downs. TSA is in charge of protecting the nation's transportation systems.

More at http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/19/private.airport.screening/index.h
tml?hpt=T2

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, November 19, 2010 9:18 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE

Generally privatizition is only a recipe for corruption, but in this case, the TSA is so inept the corruption might be preferable.

Hmmm, honest theft, or sexual assault...which would u prefer at your airport :)

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Friday, November 19, 2010 12:27 PM

CANTTAKESKY

My first reaction is "anything is better than the TSA." But that is fallacious on so many levels.

This Orlando airport would still have to follow all the same TSA guidelines and procedures. I assume that the private contractor will get govt subsidies for scanners and other security equipment. The only difference is the employees will be screened and hired by a private organization instead of the govt.

I stand by my position IF the govt is going to pay for doing something, then it needs to own and operate the service itself. Otherwise, what inevitably happens is the private company will charge the govt more money, provide less service, and pocket the difference.

So, I would support massive TSA reform (say, "Israelification") before supporting privatization of the same TYPE of security. I would rather abolish the TSA altogether and allow the airlines to provide their own security. I don't think it is as hard as TSA makes it out to be to justify these extreme measures.

Nobody is as naive or passive as they were before 9/11. Airlines, crew, and passengers will not allow planes to be hijacked again, even if they were carrying machine guns. The shoe bomber was stopped by crew and passengers. The underwear bomber was stopped by crew and passengers. Even if they got through, they WILL be stopped.

I read somewhere a satirical proposal for "Armed Airlines." Everyone is issued a gun along with a boarding pass. Their motto would be, "We dare you to hijack Armed Airlines."

Of course, it is a satire, but it points to an underlying truth. Americans now are armed with a commitment and a sense of responsibility, to never be victims again. In this respect, we've become a little bit hardened, more like Israelis. I believe this attitude provides a huge layer invisible security that officials do not take into account.

CTS

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Friday, November 19, 2010 12:42 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I agree with you about the 'invisible layer of security.'

The Terrorists inadvertently took a tool out of their toolbox.

They can no longer commandeer a plane under the threat of violence.

It is known that if the terrorists don't kill you, the Air Force will.

So if you don't regain full control of the airplane, you're a dead man. (Or woman.)

The flight attendants' safety speech might as well have been modified to say, "In the event of a terrorist takeover of this aircraft, everyone aboard will be executed."

Because that is essentially the situation.

Future attempts to do dirty business on airplanes will involve sabotaging the plane or otherwise destroying its ability to remain aloft. This can be difficult to do effectively with the small quantity of explosives that a person can successfully smuggle onto a plane. It is also a notably less glamorous image for the would-be terrorist to smuggle the wrath of Allah inside his anus.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Friday, November 19, 2010 1:44 PM

WHOZIT

I want to give all of you a TSA pat down

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Friday, November 19, 2010 4:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I'd say it depends on who they hire.

Of course, likely they're gonna go with some big name dumping ground like Wackenhut/Group4 and wind up with worse - but you never know, they might actually hire someone professional for once.

That presumes any of the more decent companies will take the contract, and I don't give good odds of that.

-F

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Friday, November 19, 2010 5:55 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Not sure if it's because I usually fly out of Washington D.C. and the TSA folk here are more capable because they might have to deal with legislators, but I've seldom had any problem with them. We try to follow the suggestion to get to the airport a couple hours before our flight, and haven't had any serious problems that weren't weather related.

A couple of years ago, I was going to Atlanta to a friend's funeral, and forgot to remove a cheap pocket knife from my briefcase. When TSA spotted it on the scanner I explained I'd forgotten it was there, and they asked if I wanted to take or mail it home. I told them to keep it and proceeded to my plane. Big deal.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:59 AM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Not sure if it's because I usually fly out of Washington D.C. and the TSA folk here are more capable because they might have to deal with legislators, but I've seldom had any problem with them.

Maybe all TSA folks need to be trained to treat passengers like legislators.

Once my husband traveled with our 2 year old on a trip lasting 24 hours. Because our 2 year old had a huge number of food allergies at the time, Hubby brought his own food. The kid liked those fruit cocktails that come in a ready-to-eat clear plastic container, with a bit of syrupy liquid. The first TSA checkpoint was ok with it. When they changed planes in NYC, the TSA there confiscated the fruit. My husband pleaded, "Please. My kid can't eat airplane food because of food allergies. The next flight is like 13 hours long. Please." The TSA guy stood his ground. When Hubby protested further, the TSA confiscated a box of gift chocolates Hubby had bought INSIDE the secure area of the airport.
Then the guy said, "Wanna see what else I can take?" My poor son had to go hungry for 13 hours cause of that asshole.

My husband's in Japan this week. He said, the Japanese security personnel appear to be doing that Israeli thing: behavioral profiling. But they do it in such a way that you feel like you're a customer at a 5 star hotel. The courtesy and respect is incredible after traveling from the States. They treat every passenger like a customer instead of like a criminal.

I can't imagine this is good for tourism. He said if he were Japanese and were accustomed to courteous and reasonable security, he would never travel to the USA again. In fact, a number of Americans are choosing not to fly in the USA again until the madness is over (myself included).

That's just what we need for the economy, isn't it? To discourage tourism.

Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:02 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Here is a story I posted on the other thread, but I will post here as well.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/

It is just funny. :)

Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace:
Generally privatizition is only a recipe for corruption, but in this case, the TSA is so inept the corruption might be preferable.

Hmmm, honest theft, or sexual assault...which would u prefer at your airport :)

Funny you mention " honest " theft...

Radio talk show host Neal Boortz saw a TSA agent rifle through his carry on bag and then remove an iPod and camera, then go " on break " , taking those items with him. Boortz has filed a police report.

And if you think Gov't employees aren't more inclined for corruption and theft, you're living in a dream world.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

As far as private security, I heard last night that that's what everyone HAD previous to 9/11. So I guess it doesn't work real well, except that beore 9/11 we didn't take the threat as seriously, so they didn't do the same stuff.

I encountered the same stuff when I flew to the Gulf, as I said. I had two bottles of my ice tea, which I carry with me everywhere because my meds give me dry mouth. At SFO, I explained that and they let it through. Changing planes in Houston, I explained it but they refused to let me keep it. However, as they'd found it first, they didn't go ANY FURTHER in the bag (!), and I had a second bottle in there too, hee, hee, hee. That went through.

I had also taken a small container of the granular stuff along in my carry-on, so on the way back I just asked for a glass of ice water and mixed my own. But, as we can see, it still varies from place to place.

I just wish they'd get their act together and follow the Japanese/Israeli model, dammit. I heard the same argument about America being too big so it was unfeasible from a pundit, but if they put the money into hiring people at each airport that they do NOW into all that shit, I'll bet it could be done! I watched a few pat-downs on TV last night, and I was shocked...especially with men, they all but squeezed their "junk"!

It's wrong, it's ridiculous, it won't stop them finding another way, and it's a hell of an invasion of the person! I don't think this controversy is going away any time soon. The American people can be scared into a LOT of stuff, but this may well have crossed the line!

Pundit said last night that TSA claims 80% of people surveyed said they had no problem with it. He wondered if a whole lot more than 20% of the population flies that often, and said they should take that survey right AFTER someone went through the procedure; he was betting the response would have been different! Damn straight.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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