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Four more years: America needs more changing

POSTED BY: CANTTAKESKY
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:02
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Friday, April 1, 2011 8:32 AM

CANTTAKESKY





(I apologize in advance for posting partisan crap.)

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Friday, April 1, 2011 11:10 AM

KANEMAN


The only changes Barry has brought is a diminished outlook for real americans futures, a debased dollar, run away inflation, and a divided populace.

These papers released by the FED to bloomberg(took a court order) are mind-numbing. The amount of dollars in circulation is far more than anyone knew. Commodity prices will continue to rise through the roof. So, if you like fresh fruits and veggies...enjoy them now. Soon it will become the choice between a gallon of $5 gasoline or a $6 gallon of milk.

....and the rub is that these costs will never make it into the inflation numbers.

When you add unfunded liabilities into these FED numbers it really becomes dire. Sad really. Universal healthcare anyone?

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Friday, April 1, 2011 11:29 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
The only changes Barry has brought is a diminished outlook for real americans futures, a debased dollar, run away inflation, and a divided populace.

To be fair, those things were there, rolling downhill, before Barry took office. It's just that he didn't change anything. So things are, unsurprisingly, more downhill than before.



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Friday, April 1, 2011 11:51 AM

HKCAVALIER


He's just the gorram President--what happened to the entire Democratic Congress??? We gotta stop thinking like this is a fascist nation, that whoever the Fuhrer du Jour is is either saving our nation or ruining her. It's pathological. And it's not how our system works.

He's the head cop of the land. I'd kinda hoped that Obama's Presidency would have made that clear to everyone by now. A decent man with a good conscience is gonna get steamrolled up in there--it's gonna make him look bad. The only hope of him making any headway is in his innevitable second term when he's got nothing to lose.

You expect this one guy to stand up to the forces that actually run our country and beat them at the game they created? How's that work? As Mr. Obama pointed out to y'all when this all started: change begins with us. Then, o' course, it moves on up through our various representatives and eventually, a President signs whatever it is into the Change We Can Agree On.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, April 1, 2011 12:27 PM

DREAMTROVE


It's been an accelerated decline. Even if the only reason republicans limit spending at all is because it cuts into their profits, they limit it a little.

But the real change was 2006, so it was either the dem congress, or more likely, Bernanke. When Greenspan took over, spending, debt and devaluation of the dollar started a steady pace, and kept that pace until Bernanke took over, and then the pace doubled.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, April 1, 2011 1:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Even if the only reason republicans limit spending at all is because it cuts into their profits, they limit it a little.




And you accuse ME of posting partisan bullshit.

Were you even awake between the years 2000 and 2006? Were you paying attention at all?



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, April 1, 2011 9:04 PM

DREAMTROVE


Mike,

Why would I care?

If you cared at all, you might have noticed that I posted about three times now the change in the rate of spending making a sharp increase in 2006, but being pretty steady re gdp since 1980ish. This is not politics, it's economics, it represents the policies of Greenspan, and now Bernanke, and I said as much.

On a lower level, republicans oppose spending that hurts profits. At the top level, they are spending directly into their pockets.

For the record, I wasn't accusing you of any such thing, I was snarking you. I see Geezer is reverting to partisanship, so you'll have company.

IMHO: Our political parties are evil, but they just exist to divide the like minded against one another. You and Geezer have far more in common with each other than either of you have with Bush and Obama, and likewise, Bush and Obama have far more in common with each other as well.

I had half a mind to bop Geezer over the head a minute ago, but it was fleeting. I think I just barked about muslims instead.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 10:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, Cav, that was so right on and so eloquent. The fact is even a Democratic Congress, Senate and President can't do SHIT if everything they try to do is filibustered. That's what stopped further forward progress, tho' certainly Obama didn't do his job in getting the information out there and being a leader. But:
Quote:

Upon taking office, Obama inherited two costly wars and an economy that had violently imploded just months before. The abrupt downturn brought an end to two venerable Wall Street firms, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns, and it sent U.S. automakers General Motors (GM) and Chrysler into bankruptcy. Credit markets were frozen so solid that even creditworthy firms such as GE had difficulty borrowing. The government lent these firms trillions of dollars to keep them solvent.

That was then. Now, investors are apparently growing more confident with Obama's stewardship of the economy. A recently released survey of investors, traders or analysts by Bloomberg News found 53% percent of those polled now view the president favorably, up from 49% in November.

"He inherited an economy that was in a really bad place," says Chad Stone, chief economist Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank. Stone declined to assign Obama a grade on his economic policy, because '"things were a lot worse off than originally thought."

Here's a review of where the economy has progressed, and where it continues to falter, under the current administration:

Stock Market: The S&P is up 50% since Obama took office. In 2008, the index fell 37%. Helping the rebound is the realization the government has made a profit on many of its bailouts

Taxes: Extending the Bush tax cuts added $700 billion to the deficit over the next decade and preserved the estate tax, which Republicans wanted to eliminate. Research from Moody's found that rich people tend to save their tax cuts rather than spend them.

Deficit: Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit when he took office, and it's projected to be $1.27 trillion in the current fiscal year, down from $1.56 trillion in fiscal 2010. The president has proposed a two-year pay freeze for all civilian federal workers -- an act that will reportedly save $2 billion over the remainder of this fiscal year, $28 billion over the next five years and more than $60 billion over the next decade.

Housing: A survey released in December by Trulia.com and RealtyTrac found 58% of Americans believe the housing market will rebound after 2012. For now, though, foreclosures continue at a record pace. December existing-home sales rose 12.3% from November to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.28 million.

Personal Bankruptcies: U.S. consumer bankruptcies increased 9% in 2010 compared to the previous year, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute. But compare that to the nearly 33% increase in filings nationwide in 2008 over 2007.

Jobs: This is the big one. In December 2008, just before he entered office, the economy shed 673,000 jobs, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In December 2010, the economy added 103,000 jobs, a figure that surprised some economists and sent the unemployment rate down to 9.4%, its lowest level since May of 2009.

As Stone of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities notes in a recent blog post, "We estimate that the rate of job growth would have to roughly triple between now and the end of 2015 just to restore labor market conditions -- five years from now -- to what they were at the start of the recession (roughly a 5% unemployment rate and higher labor force participation)." That's a tall order for sure. But at least there's hope: The latest National Association for Business Economics survey found that 42% of companies say they expect to increase hiring in the next six months.

http://srph.it/gplXzx

Most recently:
Quote:

Unemployment in the United States has fallen to its lowest level in two years, spurring hopes of a decisive shift in the American labor market and providing a small boost to president Barack Obama's re-election hopes.

The second straight month of solid gains in employment brought the jobless rate down to a better-than-expected two-year low of 8.8 per cent - a full percentage point lower compared with November.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/02/3180567.htm

The caveat is that it’s higher in some states, certainly, and that it doesn’t reflect ACTUAL joblessness-—i.e., those who’ve given up looking for work and those who work part time, etc. But then, those aren’t taken into account at any time when counting the jobless rate, so it’s still lower than it was.

Obama TRIED to tackle the third rail of health care; what the Dems managed to get was FAR less than what we need, but just like Social Security, etc., it starts out bad with the hope of improving it in time. Rarely does anything make it through Congress intact or even as good as it should be, so only time will tell. He and Clinton have been the only two Presidents I know of who would even TRY to deal with it.

He also tried to tackle and is still trying to tackle the energy problem...not perfectly, against heavy opposition, and so far not very well, but at least he tried. How many Presidents have said we MUST deal with our energy consumption, but done absolutely nothing about it?

He’s also done a lot of good things besides those which make the news. He’s not done much that he promised, like close Gitmo, end the wars, etc., but I say once again: How much better do any of us think it would be in this amount of time if McCain/Palin had been elected? Again; it’s really easy to call the current Prez an asshole and point at all he’s done wrong, but more realistic to look at what other Presidents have done and what his opponent would have done...or not done. I don’t think McCain would have affected the economy nearly as well as Obama has done, personally.

Given the insane conditions he came into, I think Obama's done the best that can be hoped for where the economy is concerned in only two years, AND it's down $.3 trillion from Bush...AND he reversed the trend which took it up to $1.57 trillion the year he took office by $.29 trillion. I think that's rather amazing, given the circumstances.

I know the righties love to hate him, never miss any opportunity to blame him for anything and everything, and love to ignore what he started out with. Nothing will ever change that and everything that goes wrong will be laid at his feet. But I wonder just what kind of shape we and the deficit would be in if the Republicans hadn't filibustered every attempt to improve things AND blackmailed him into extending the tax cuts?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:23 AM

DREAMTROVE


Someone's underlining is bleeding


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 8:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


If you're serious, it's not bleeding that I can see. Will check my post; if it's me, apologies.

Ooops, think I found it. Sorry...weird it didn't show up to ME!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Monday, April 4, 2011 8:19 AM

KANEMAN


Look three posts up.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 9:27 AM

KANEMAN





watch first 3 min.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:35 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
If you're serious, it's not bleeding that I can see. Will check my post; if it's me, apologies.

Ooops, think I found it. Sorry...weird it didn't show up to ME!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off






Fixed now


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx. I know I have trouble with closing quotes and emphasis...I often have to go back and fix it, so let me know when it happens and I'll happily fix it.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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